Well, actually I do check a wide variety of sites and have read a flood of angry and hurt lashing out comments yesterday, which is why I made the comment. JUB only has a couple of ardent supporters who have vented some frustration...but some of the comments on other sites read as though they were written by hysterical 14 year old children. It included a lot of 'I'm taking my vote and going home to sulk' type of comments along with a lot of the type that Evanrick has posted, accusing all Clinton supporters of being stupid, spineless, treacherous traitors intent on letting the woman who is responsible for everything including the Zika virus, destroy the US.
Well that is funny because I frequent reddit and where there is a not so much of a big fan base there when it comes to the general front page, I haven't seen as much of the sexist comments that are claimed to be made. Though I do not doubt they exist, but I see healthy criticism of on there as well as some of the nonsense that generally comes out, which makes sense considering how big the user base is.
But, what I also did see on there yesterday were not whining Bernie supporters about a loss, I saw plenty of people still in it to win, some people discussing local politics and wanting to get more progressive politicians where it also really matters, talking about even the likely scenario that he does not get the nomination that we shouldn't just forget the issues and the things he brought forward and how far he's gotten. Which I agree with wholeheartedly.
I get why people are upset. Bernie has made a tremendous showing. He has contributed immensely to the discussion that the US needs to have about politics and the destruction of the middle class. As I have repeatedly noted....he is the closest thing to a Canadian politician that the US has and I would have been delighted to see him emerge as the president of the United States. I even visited his campaign office last year while in Vermont and told his staff how much we admire the man.
People weren't just upset about a loss, they were also upset at the fact that they are being forced into a two party system just to vote for who they want to vote for, if people were registered as anything but Democrat they could not vote for him. Which is ridiculous and even the deadline being 6 months ago, is also ridiculous considering not everyone is sold on a candidate that much ahead of time.
And yes he was an independent that changed to Democrat, which one could argue that at one point they could have voted for him but either way people would be locked out for voting for them because nonsense voting rules.
There were also tons of problems at a lot of voting places and this has been problems in multiple states, its great that people want to turn out to vote but discouraging when things like this happen when a lot of these issues could have been resolved before Tuesday.
I personally want to see his campaign continue and to see his message get taken on board by the Democrats because in the extremely limiting and stifling two party corporatist political party system in the US, the voices of progressives and the disaffected left are being lost in the noise.
But I also recognize that the US has to move beyond the crippling paralysis of a destructive right wing political movement in Washington and at the state level...that it isn't about the president...it is about moulding the Judiciary and re-establishing bi-partisan, centrist action on a host of domestic and foreign policy issues.
It is simply too much to demand that someone could come in and take over the entire Democrat party because they want to run for President and push so hard to the left in such an incredibly short period of time that traditional centrist liberals would all flood to his side. There hasn't been any hocus pocus or theft of this election. Hillary has spent decades moving to this moment.....quite simply, she has gathered several millions more votes in the process so far than Bernie. So super-delegates aside, what we are seeing is a democratic process in action.
The fact of the matter is that he has been down played since he got into the race and no matter how far he has come, it is still down played continually. Even though coming from someone who is only getting donations from people, he is still in the race regardless of how it looks. People don't believe he is going to walk in and snap his fingers, then everything will magically be okay with America, but I think it is disingenuous to believe that if he did get in he wouldn't be be able to do anything. It would be hard for him to get the things he wants to get through and they will most definitely will have to come to a compromise, but that is very well expected and this would be the same way it works with Hillary although people have a tendency to ignore this.
As for Hillary I do not believe that she is outright stealing this election, she has name recognition and has been involved for a very long time it is a no brainer that POTUS was in the line of her sights. She is qualified, I get it. She has also shown to continually lie or attempt to misinform, she plays a smear campaign but spins it around to try to act like Bernie has a bad "tone", she made tons of claims about him that were found out to be completely untrue. The sexism exists, but when it comes to the supporter base they are ready to fire that gun when every time someone has a problem with her.
As much as people do get what the alternative, you're not winning over his supporter base when you do these kind of things to a candidate. That fault isn't upon his supporters, that is her fault.
I pointed out about a week ago how much farther she'd be ahead of Bernie if the Democrats had a winner take all approach to the Primaries and Caucuses. So it is clear that the Democrat process has favoured Bernie maintaining a stronger showing than simple democracy would have awarded him.
I just wish that as the country moves toward the real race in November, that Bernie's supporters will see what the real stakes are and that the bad feelings, bitterness and disappointment will be put aside. As far as JUB goes, I would hope that we don't lose another group of posters because of the primary results and that people will still continue to have spirited exchanges focussing on policies of the Democrats and the Republicans.
Again, Bernie supporters are well aware of what they stakes are. Treating them as if they do not because they still refuse to support a candidate they do not like is not correct. Just because they don't want to support her does not mean they don't understand who the other candidates are, and this is coming from someone who agrees with the sentiment of keeping democrats in office. Which again, is another problem that came straight from the Hillary candidacy, the supporter base was played down to being lazy uninformed people. For someone who obviously should gain the support of the opposing democratic candidates supporter base, this was another thing that wasn't exactly smart to do.
and every single clinton supporter who thinks that sanders will just give away our leverage will somehow benefit the democratic party is exactly why they support clinton over ever other American. they just simply do not care about anyone but themselves. i hope the convention is a mess, i hope clinton is a damaged candidate and i hope she loses in november.
