Sanders campaign loses $150 Million Dollars if we fold to DNC politics

[opinterph]

… my problem is that these undecided voters don't have their minds made up 6 months ago which was the deadline.

The deadline has nothing to do with a particular candidate. It addresses the more fundamental issue of party affiliation.

 

[BenDan]

The deadline has nothing to do with a particular candidate. It addresses the more fundamental issue of party affiliation.

the deadline prevents people from being educated about the candidates

by the time they are ........ it's too late

 

[Rolyo85]

the deadline prevents people from being educated about the candidates by the time they are ........ it's too late

Only for people unaffiliated with any of the major parties. In the primaries, the state of New York isn't interested in those people's opinions. You can rail against it but the primaries aren't supposed to be democratic.

 

[BenDan]

Bernie is a Democrat because he can't get elected without hijacking the Democratic Party machine.

Once again, you pretend this isn't so because you like Bernie, and this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Hillary.

already explained with cite why an independent can't run in the primaries

did you read it ?

instead you respond frivolously repeating yourself

which is not really valuable to discussion

the establishment rules don't allow an independent - since Bernie wants to help the country or rather the 99% - and since his POV on most all issues is actually the democratic platform ....

well there's really no issue except for the democratic establishment types who want to keep the nation asleep while they rape the system

 

[opinterph]

the deadline prevents people from being educated about the candidates

It is reasonable to anticipate that the candidates will align with party ideology. (Voting happens more frequently than once every 4 years.) It is also reasonable to restrict participation in a specific party’s primary election to persons affiliated with that party.

 

[Rolyo85]

Why would an independent run in the primaries? The primaries have the specific function of electing a party candidate. An independent doesn't need primaries, he already knows he's running.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Sugar, I was being nice, up-thread you accused me of not convincing you, so baldly, I could give a tinker's damn about your opinion, so long as I find you amusing, I'll engage, when you bore me, I'll ignore you.

This had nothing to do with convincing me at all, I was talking about the need to convince Bernie supporters as to why they should vote for Hillary besides using the Republican candidates as a crutch. I no where said I needed convincing, I was speaking generally.

I don't care whether or not you are nice to me, I am not her for your approval or what you think. I can give two shits, all you are proving is that you are having a hard time keeping up with what I am saying because you are jumping in half way through a conversation.

Repeating the preposterous claim that the Democratic Primary should be convenient for independents doesn't refute the fact that they aren't Democrats and if they want to participate in a DEMOCRATIC PARTY FUNCTION, then fucking register and be a Democrat, or fuck the hell off.

Which perfectly addresses your silly "problem."

Do you know how to read?

I am not saying that the Democratic Party should be convenient for independents, there are 12 closed primary states and the rest for the most part actually include non-affiliated parties to some variation. So these people can actually vote in a Democratic Primary if they wanted to depending on the state.

So the fact that they should be Democrat or fuck off is childish.

he deadline prevents people from being educated about the candidates

by the time they are ........ it's too late

Thank you.

6 months is a huge time frame. I am not saying that Bernie Sanders would have won if they could vote, I am just pointing out the many problems I and plenty of other people have with the way things have been going in multiple states.

I don't expect things to be perfect but I expect them better than they have been. And I was pointing out why there are people that are upset, it was more about everything else and the loss.

I mean I guess it is easier for you guys to accept whatever slop that gets slapped onto your plate, that is not me.

 

[TX-Beau]

already explained with cite why an independent can't run in the primaries

did you read it ?

instead you respond frivolously repeating yourself

which is not really valuable to discussion

the establishment rules don't allow an independent - since Bernie wants to help the country or rather the 99% - and since his POV on most all issues is actually the democratic platform ....

well there's really no issue except for the democratic establishment types who want to keep the nation asleep while they rape the system

An independent can't run in the Democratic primary because he isn't a fucking DEMOCRAT!, This is not odd, unfair, undemocratic, or any other term you choose to toss at it except fucking obvious.

You attempted to explain why an independent will never win an ELECTION which is fucking not a PRIMARY.

I find it strange that all those people who claim that people who don't support Bernie are negative, and yet they try to make excuses why he can never ever win a general election without hijacking someone else's party - sounds like negativism to me, and what about all those hoards of people he's "bringing in," why hasn't he taken them off to Vermont and formed the Bernie party full of the common man ready to steamroll the "establishment." Curious.

 

[BenDan]

It is reasonable to anticipate that the candidates will align with party ideology. (Voting happens more frequently than once every 4 years.) It is also reasonable to restrict participation in a specific party’s primary election to persons affiliated with that party.

reasonable ? it's reasonable to assume that progressive gays here on JUB would prefer Bernie to Hillary and wouldn't spend their time carrying her water

it's not about reasonable

it's about allowing americans to vote and participate in the process

with as few restrictions as possible

In NYS, you'd have had to change parties about 6 mos. in advance
there is no same day registration

a closed vs. open primary is a conversation for another day - IMO, it should be closed if only to prevent the other "side" from attempting to get the opponent they want - although admittedly mathematically it seems difficult

 

[TX-Beau]

...Do you know how to read?...

I am not saying that the Democratic Party should be convenient for independents,..So the fact that they should be Democrat or fuck off is childish.

Yes, that exactly what you're trying to say, and we know this because the rest of us can in fact read.

So, if you want to be a Democrat, register, or fuck off.

 

[TX-Beau]

reasonable ? it's reasonable to assume that progressive gays here on JUB would prefer Bernie to Hillary and wouldn't spend their time carrying her water

it's not about reasonable

it's about allowing americans to vote and participate in the process

with as few restrictions as possible

In NYS, you'd have had to change parties about 6 mos. in advance
there is no same day registration

a closed vs. open primary is a conversation for another day - IMO, it should be closed if only to prevent the other "side" from attempting to get the opponent they want - although admittedly mathematically it seems difficult

All eligible Americans can vote and participate in the process - in NOVEMBER.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Yes, that exactly what you're trying to say, and we know this because the rest of us can in fact read.

No, you clearly don't when you feel the need to cherry pick my posts apart.

So, if you want to be a Democrat, register, or fuck off.

Repeating this doesn't make it any less childish.

 

[TX-Beau]

No, you clearly don't when you feel the need to cherry pick my posts apart.



Repeating this doesn't make it any less childish.

You obfuscate and redefine with such alacrity I feel the need to distill. Repeating that I'm childish doesn't refute this.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I'll start reading your posts again when you can actually address points, until then have fun.

 

[BenDan]

No, you clearly don't when you feel the need to cherry pick my posts apart.



Repeating this doesn't make it any less childish.

Voter disenfranchisement comes in MANY forms

some would have you believe that it's simply an anti immigrant thing - the idea of a voting ID card

it's much bigger than that - it's RULES that are designed by party HACKS who want only to keep their jobs and will rig the deck instead of truly making "access" more readily available

no same day
6 month lead time to change

are both wrong and any real progressive wouldn't use mind numbing "too late" answers like is being done here

 

[TX-Beau]

I'll start reading your posts again when you can actually address points, until then have fun.

Bon Voyage!

 

[TX-Beau]

Voter disenfranchisement comes in MANY forms

some would have you believe that it's simply an anti immigrant thing - the idea of a voting ID card

it's much bigger than that - it's RULES that are designed by party HACKS who want only to keep their jobs and will rig the deck instead of truly making "access" more readily available

no same day
6 month lead time to change

are both wrong and any real progressive wouldn't use mind numbing "too late" answers like is being done here

"Real" progressives registered before the deadline. Honestly, all y'alls heads exploded on Tuesday didn't they.

Sour grapes don't change the fact that even before Tuesday Bernie was losing in every category. Open Primaries or not.

 

[BenDan]

"Real" progressives registered before the deadline. Honestly, all y'alls heads exploded on Tuesday didn't they.

Sour grapes don't change the fact that even before Tuesday Bernie was losing in every category. Open Primaries or not.

yeah i get it - you were registered so we're all good LOL

 

[TX-Beau]

yeah i get it - you were registered so we're all good LOL

No you're just jealous because I got to participate.



Texas has an open primary. Maybe you need to move down here.

 

[Alnitak]

it's not about reasonable

Well one can't argue with that, literally.

it's about allowing americans to vote and participate in the process

But there is no right to do so, and for very good reasons that make the US the only country to mostly publicize nominations. Parties are not public associations. They are not constitutional or even legal functions of government.

A nomination is a proposal. We, Democrats, propose that this person be president or we, Republicans, propose this person. There is no right for anybody to tell them what to do. They have a right to association and determine their own values. Voter choice in November will determine whether that was a wise choice or not.

Now as we have seen, the greatest presidents in history, the founding fathers, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Johnson, all came from smoke filled rooms. What have we gotten since 1976? Mediocrity at best.

The reason? Demagoguery mostly, and that primaries tend to bring out the crazies that politicians are so afraid of and not in a good way. I would argue this has been mostly a force for evil on the GOP side. We can't even get SCOTUS hearings because the moment one senator caves - ooop - primary challenge from the Tea Party. We really don't need that to happen on the Democratic side.