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Seddique Mateen, what do you think about him?

BigChicken said:
I would be equally outraged if I saw Timothy McVeigh's parents or Jared Loughner's parents out in public holding up signs right after their horrible son murdered people.
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One thing I've always wondered. Did he know there were kids in that building?
 
frankfrank said:
Looks like from the posts after yours, it's not a question he asks himself.

More likely, he congratulates himself for doing things right.
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And yet he is ostensibly a supporter of the party that has been the only stalwart defender of homos.

Maybe he is as fucked up as his son.
 
No. Your question is just plain stupid.
 
You guys are pathetic...this is Islam, pure and simple.

I have a question...let's see who can answer it.

In what countries can you be put to death by the powers that be for being homosexual?
 
MakeDigitalLove said:
I think it is lazy not to hold specific individuals accountable for their actions, we are too quick to put the blame on other people and things. I am not saying there aren't cases where the Parent isn't at fault, but it is too much of a go to when a kid fucked up when it could very well be something that had nothing to do with the Parent.

And yes, even when it comes to positive things not everything the child does is the result of the Parents, although most Parents do encourage their child to seek out a better education before the child understands what a good education can even do for them. So that is different then the case we are talking about here.

All I am saying is that people feel the need to blame the Parents all the time regardless of even knowing whether or not the Parents had any sort hand in it. The blame needs to attributed to the one that committed the actions and then if we have the actual info the go on, anyone else who helped contribute to those actions in some way.
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His dad was a ranting lunatic and he definitely shaped his son's mind....

He is also a clueless fuck for showing up there...

...and even though the son is ultimately responsible for his actions....his Dad played a HUGE ROLE in making his son what he became....

If it was up to me....if you aren't going to take any responsibility for your child's actions and have no intention of raising your child to co-exist with and respect other people.....please don't reproduce!
 
I found this quote to be particularly relevant to the closed-minded, rather ostrich-like mentality of some of the comments in this thread so far...

http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/09/stop-pretending-terrorism-has-nothing-to-do-with-islam/

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"Detesting ideas and hating people are not the same thing. Muslims are, and should be, protected equally under the liberal principles everyone else enjoys. Yet, for some reason, when it comes to our discourse, Islam is given a special dispensation from the standards that apply to everyone else who operates under these rules. A criticism of a faith – and the customs and philosophy that go with it – has been transformed into an act of racism.


I’ll never understand why so many on Left feel compelled to provide the most pervasively illiberal ideology on Earth this kind of cover. Nor, for that matter, why so many of my fellow atheists reserve their venom for Christianity (a religion that made secularism possible) while coddling an ideology that would surely destroy it."
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^ This has nothing to do with what people think of Mr. Mateen.

This is just about your own hobby horse.

He is just an individual.

I don't think of him any more than I do about Hitler's parents. He may in fact be a sociopathic fundamentalist who is responsible for his son's mental problems. This has not been determined.

When someone produces compelling evidence that his hand was on the trigger, then I'll be able to actually comment.
 
rareboy said:
^ This has nothing to do with what people think of Mr. Mateen.

This is just about your own hobby horse.

He is just an individual.

I don't think of him any more than I do about Hitler's parents. He may in fact be a sociopathic fundamentalist who is responsible for his son's mental problems. This has not been determined.

When someone produces compelling evidence that his hand was on the trigger, then I'll be able to actually comment.
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How very ostrich-like of you. Your avatar should be of an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.
 
BigChicken said:
I found this quote to be particularly relevant to the closed-minded, rather ostrich-like mentality of some of the comments in this thread so far...

http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/09/stop-pretending-terrorism-has-nothing-to-do-with-islam/

Quote:

"Detesting ideas and hating people are not the same thing. Muslims are, and should be, protected equally under the liberal principles everyone else enjoys. Yet, for some reason, when it comes to our discourse, Islam is given a special dispensation from the standards that apply to everyone else who operates under these rules. A criticism of a faith – and the customs and philosophy that go with it – has been transformed into an act of racism.


I’ll never understand why so many on Left feel compelled to provide the most pervasively illiberal ideology on Earth this kind of cover. Nor, for that matter, why so many of my fellow atheists reserve their venom for Christianity (a religion that made secularism possible) while coddling an ideology that would surely destroy it."
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Well if some people weren't such reactionary ignorant asshats, willing to malign a political party with racist and bigoted insinuations about the families of criminals perhaps the need to defend the rights of American Citizens, ALL of them - would be less pressing.

Until however some people stop wanting to punish people for thinking you will contine to lack understanding.

Funny, that's not difficult to understand at all.

Frankly if you don't understand why I will defend the right of the racist asshat to open his mouth and be an utter douchbag, then you are the problem with America.
 
rareboy said:
^ This has nothing to do with what people think of Mr. Mateen.

This is just about your own hobby horse.

He is just an individual.

I don't think of him any more than I do about Hitler's parents. He may in fact be a sociopathic fundamentalist who is responsible for his son's mental problems. This has not been determined.

When someone produces compelling evidence that his hand was on the trigger, then I'll be able to actually comment.
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Seddique Mateen is a Taliban supporting Muslim extremist who thinks that gay people should be punished. Of course he is responsible for his son's ideas.
 
BTW, the claim that Christianity "made secularism possible" is utterly charming in a misinformed, massive historical revisionism kind of way.
 
Mariatenebre said:
Seddique Mateen is a Taliban supporting Muslim extremist who thinks that gay people should be punished. Of course he is responsible for his son's ideas.
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That may or may not be true, but what we know for a fact, is that he is not responsible for his sons actions, which he has soundly condemned.

What we also know, is that trying to imply that he is a dirty Muslim who's politics means Hillary is a dirty Muslim terrorist supporter, is rank bigotry and dishonesty of the first order.
 
Thanks for explaining it.

Some days, I can't even be bothered.
 
TX-Beau said:
That may or may not be true, but what we know for a fact, is that he is not responsible for his sons actions, which he has soundly condemned.

What we also know, is that trying to imply that he is a dirty Muslim who's politics means Hillary is a dirty Muslim terrorist supporter, is rank bigotry and dishonesty of the first order.
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Seddique Mateen is on record on his radio show supporting the Taliban. Also Mateen condemned his son's actions but he has stated that homosexuality deserves punishment. Just not by vigilantes but by the state.
 
Mariatenebre said:
Seddique Mateen is on record on his radio show supporting the Taliban. Also Mateen condemned his son's actions but he has stated that homosexuality deserves punishment. Just not by vigilantes but by the state.
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He can be on record supporting Winnie-the-fucking-Pooh, and until he breaks the law you don't get to take his rights away, or pretend that because you don't like it you get to decide. Unless you want to be the biggest hypocrite on the planet.

It's the American way that you can support whoever the fuck you want, until you break the law.
 
And you know the fuck what, WE are better than THEM, because that's the American way and that has fuck all to do with religion. If that was not the American way, you and I would be dead at the hands of Christian Taliban, so any of us calling for intolerance has stabbed us all in the back.
 
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