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Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

update.

Texas father won't face charges in alleged attacker's death | Fox News

Texas father won't face charges in alleged attacker's death


Published June 19, 2012

FoxNews.com




Authorities say a Texas father who beat to death a man who tried molesting his 5-year-old daughter will not be charged.

Officials said the grand jury met Tuesday and declined to return an indictment against the father in the death of 47-year-old Jesus Mora Flores.

The attack happened on the family's ranch between the farming towns of Shiner and Yoakum. Investigators said the 23-year-old father ran toward his daughter's screams, pulled Flores off his child and beat him with his hands.

Authorities say forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.

Earlier, the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that the death would be treated as a homicide investigation, and the case was sent to the grand jury.

Sheriff Micah Harmon, according to the statement, believes the girl’s father is remorseful, and did not intend to kill Flores. He called the case "traumatizing" for the girl and her entire family.


"He was just protecting his daughter and doing what he thought he had to do to protect his daughter," Harmon said.

The victim was an "acquaintance" of the father who visited the ranch to help care for some horses, according to Harmon, adding he did not know how long the men may have known each other prior to the alleged incident.

A witness told law enforcement that Flores was seen forcibly carrying the girl to a secluded area, the statement said. When the girl’s dad found out, he began calling her name, and when he heard her screams, he moved in.

When emergency medical personnel arrived at the scene, Flores’ pants and underwear were down, and his genitals were exposed, the statement said. All the witnesses' statements corroborated the father’s story, the release said.


Flores had a green card and the sheriff’s office has been working with the Mexican Consulate to locate his family, The Gonzales Inquirer reported.

FoxNews.com's Edmund DeMarche contributed to this report.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Read more: Texas father won't face charges in alleged attacker's death | Fox News

told you so. that's what happens when you jump to conclusions without getting to know what happened first.
 
Good. I can only imagine the relief in that little girl's mind when her dad showed up. That's all that should have ever mattered in this case, with the facts as described. And now that's all that does matter.
 
There is no need to jump on anyone but justice was served in this case. The father stopped an attack on his daughter and then tried to get help for the attacker.
With all the evidence that's out there now..no chance in heck any jury would have found him guilty.
 
There is no need to jump on anyone but justice was served in this case. The father stopped an attack on his daughter and then tried to get help for the attacker.
With all the evidence that's out there now..no chance in heck any jury would have found him guilty.

Where did the report said that ? :confused:

He killed and turned himself in the next day or something.
 
Go back a few pages, you'll see them. I've even posted authors and titles. but just in case you refute that too, see the post immediately above yours. note the quoted text and documentation its from?

Here's a few more to sink your teeth into.

- Laws, D. Richard; William T. O'Donohue (2008). Sexual Deviance: Theory, Assessment, and Treatment. Guilford Press. p. 176
- World Health Organization, International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems: ICD-10 Section F65.4: Paedophilia (online access via ICD-10 site map table of contents)
- Seto, M. C. (2008). Pedophilia and sexual offending against children: Theory, assessment, and intervention. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association & - Pedophilia Often in Headlines, But Not in Research Labs — Psychiatric News
- Fuller AK (January 1989). "Child molestation and pedophilia. An overview for the physician". JAMA 261 (4): 602–6.
- Pedophilia (Causes)". Psychology Today. Sussex Publishers, LLC. 7 September 2006.

there are 129 more sources I can provide you a complete list.



You're grasping at straws now.... Also by saying that you admit the information the APA uses is outdated as DSM-IV and ICD-10 superseded the documentation the APA publishes seeing as it pulls them as a source.

Here is where I think the problem lies. Yes, you're book smart and done all your research, I'll give you that. But how many kids do you have? How many children have you fathered/cared for and raised? Maybe, just maybe when you get a little older and a little wiser, you'll have the fortune to experience what it's like to be a parent/caregiver, or at least be old enough to develop a sense of compassion for an innocent child. Because as far as I know you can't accurately measure levels of unconditional love in a text book or a lab for every possible situation.

You have the accademic knowledge, but you lack the life experience for a truer understanding of the entire situation.

Just my two cents. And YAY!!! for no charges being laid!!!
 
I also have a much younger sister, and while I assure you I would give my life to spare her this kind of heartache, I would also take a rapist's life to spare her this kind of heartache. Not as my goal. Not because he "deserved it" or becase we're "better off without him" but because I would do anything to him I could think of to get it to stop. I would stop only once I knew she was out of immediate danger. And I'm not an expert who would know some clever way to disarm him with a minimum of fuss so I would truly be improvising. Apparently repeated blows work, from what I read above. A rapist might survive that, but that wouldn't figure into my list of priorities until I had secured her safety. While it is right to ask for a proper account whenever anyone dies, the answer is resoundingly clear: this father fulfilled his one true duty to his child, and he did it ethically.
 
Nothing is ethical about murder. The inadvertent death of a rapist as a result of the duty to protect a child has nothing to do with murder. It's like asking "what is ethical about embezzlement?" It has nothing to do with this situation.
 
Once he stunned the man and had him off his "Duty" was completed. Regardless of emotional state he continued to beat the man to death. Do i argue the juries verdict? No, because I see the other side of the story. How did the father feel seeing this happening? Was he wrong to stop it? Certainly not, he was absolutely justified to stop it. He wasn't justified to murder the man.
His "duty was completed"? Man are you way off base here. Let me guess, you're pre law, right? Duty doesn't even enter the picture. You function on pure animal instinct when you encounter your child in danger. "Regardless of emotional state"? Really? Sorry but you know so little of human nature. Thankfully wiser heads prevailed and no charges will be laid.

But I still stand behind my original comment. You clearly compared homosexuality and pedophilia, in your original post, as simply a sexual preference. You were very wrong to do that. That attitude can set the LGBTQ equal rights movement back 50 years. Nice humanitarian.

Pedophilia is rape. Rape is a control issue, not a sexual preference. You talked about how the majority of CONVICTED might go on to reoffend, but what about the number of UNCONVICTED pedofiles? the ones who commit the crime and do not get caught? The ones walking down the street and teaching in our schools, or choaching our young hockey players? Do we really need, as you suggest, to re evaluate how we judge these members of society, cause you know what? Yes, they are lesser members of society and as long as they prey on innocent children, they deserve what they get when they get caught!!! I'd have done the exact same thing and I'd do it again and again and again. And if I caught him raping your four year old son, I'd do the same thing. It's not murder, it's called justifiable homicide. JUSTIFIABLE. There was no premeditated intent. That's why the perp won't be charged.

Sorry you didn't like my opinion, but I think that kinda was your intent from the onset, wasn't it? to create a dialogue? LOL!
 
His "duty was completed"? Man are you way off base here. Let me guess, you're pre law, right? Duty doesn't even enter the picture. You function on pure animal instinct when you encounter your child in danger. "Regardless of emotional state"? Really? Sorry but you know so little of human nature. Thankfully wiser heads prevailed and no charges will be laid.

But I still stand behind my original comment. You clearly compared homosexuality and pedophilia, in your original post, as simply a sexual preference. You were very wrong to do that. That attitude can set the LGBTQ equal rights movement back 50 years. Nice humanitarian.

Pedophilia is rape. Rape is a control issue, not a sexual preference. You talked about how the majority of CONVICTED might go on to reoffend, but what about the number of UNCONVICTED pedofiles? the ones who commit the crime and do not get caught? The ones walking down the street and teaching in our schools, or choaching our young hockey players? Do we really need, as you suggest, to re evaluate how we judge these members of society, cause you know what? Yes, they are lesser members of society and as long as they prey on innocent children, they deserve what they get when they get caught!!! I'd have done the exact same thing and I'd do it again and again and again. And if I caught him raping your four year old son, I'd do the same thing. It's not murder, it's called justifiable homicide. JUSTIFIABLE. There was no premeditated intent. That's why the perp won't be charged.

Sorry you didn't like my opinion, but I think that kinda was your intent from the onset, wasn't it? to create a dialogue? LOL!

Not depending pedophilia.
There is a big difference between rape and sexual assault.
Sexual assault can be anything such as touching.

Some people here seems to suggest they should be killed no matter what.
That is evil !!!
 
I would expect a student of criminal psycology to recognise what the concept of Mens Rea means to this case.

The Brits put it nicely in their criminal justice act:
A court or jury, in determining whether a person has committed an offense,
(a) shall not be bound in law to infer that he intended or foresaw a result of his actions by reasons only of its being a natural and probable consequence of those actions; but
(b) shall decide whether he did intend or foresee that result by reference to all the evidence, drawing such inferences from the evidence as appear proper in the circumstances.

It doesn't matter whether you figure his actions would have been lethal, it matters whether he thought it would be.
 
I would expect a student of criminal psycology to recognise what the concept of Mens Rea means to this case.

The Brits put it nicely in their criminal justice act:


It doesn't matter whether you figure his actions would have been lethal, it matters whether he thought it would be.

Model Penal Code
Prior to the 1960s, mens rea in the United States was a very slippery, vague and confused concept. Since then, the formulation of mens rea set forth in the Model Penal Code has been highly influential throughout North America in clarifying the discussion of the different modes of culpability.[11]
Purposefully: the actor has the "conscious object" of engaging in conduct and believes or hopes that the attendant circumstances exist.
Knowingly: the actor is practically certain that his conduct will lead to the result.
Recklessly: the actor is aware that the attendant circumstances exist, but nevertheless engages in the conduct that a "law-abiding person" would have refrained from.
Negligently: the actor is unaware of the attendant circumstances and the consequences of his conduct, but a "reasonable person" would have been aware.
Strict liability: the actor engaged in conduct and his mental state is irrelevant.
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And in the jurisdiction in which he resides this ^ is how mens rea plays out.

So IMO, the act of repeatedly punching another person in the face would fall under either negligently or strict liability.

Either way it doesn't matter cause the grand jury isn't pressing charges.
 
Not [STRIKE]depending[/STRIKE] defending pedophilia.
There is a big difference between rape and sexual assault.
Sexual assault can be anything such as touching.

Some people here seems to suggest they should be killed no matter what.
That is evil !!!

ooops, writing erro
 
Bravo on proving my point. Ignorance is Bliss.

Hey man, if my opinion makes me ignorant, and yours makes you smart, I'll gladly take ignorance every day of the week. Apparently, so will the Lavaca County Grand Jury. I'd go back and hit the books some more if I were you. Your humanitarianism convinced no one.

Over and out!
:D
 
My argument has been and will remain how we ostracize members of our society due to lack of knowledge and education on their issues. A person who rapes, or molests a child is a criminal hands down. But they deserve and are entitled to a fair trial just as the rest of us are. Canada banned the Death Penalty in favour of more humane alternatives. I'm simply saying that painting all Pedophiles with the same brush is similar, albeit not entirely the same as our cause. We seek equality, the absolute LEAST we can do is show the same for others.

Acting on their attraction is illegal, and that should NOT change. Under no circumstance should a child be exposed to that behaviour. We however have a responsibility as a people to try and understand and help these unfortunate individuals (Pedophiles). That is the basis of being a Humanitarian. Help Others, Treat each other equally, Show kindness and compassion to those who are suffering. That is my cause, it doesn't mean it has to be yours.

I think a lot of stuff got thrown into this thread unintentionally that may have thrown it off track. The the premise of this thread was a father who walked in on the act of his child being raped (yes, raped) and he reacted. I kept my comments to the original topic, the reaction of the father. Somehow a lot of 'what if' scenarios got thrown into the mix and it turned into a human rights thing. It got derailed in the worst way.

Yes, humanitarianism is the ideal we should all strive for, absolutely. As proud Canadians, our country and hopefully the majority of it's citizens feel likewise. But I never thought it was an equal rights issue being discussed. It was an emotional response issue. It was a parent protecting it's young. It was acting in the heat of passion and whether the father should be held accountable for his actions. That was the original theme of the thread and that was the route I tried to follow. I still don't understand your equation of pedophilia to homosexuality, and thus being an equal rights issue, but maybe I am intellectually challenged, so I'll give you that.

But lets look at the direct scenario from another view. What if the perp was not caught and went on to reoffend again (as would most likely be the case). Do you think he derived pleasure from these acts or was it a compulsion that he simply couldn't control? He'd have a lifetime of comitting horriffic crimes against children weighing on his conscience. Maybe, just maybe, what the father did was the most humane act for this creep. I believe that there is truly are fates much worse than death, and am sure this guy was on the road to one. Stopping this guy dead in his tracks may be the kindest thing that could've happened to him. You know what inmates to to convicted pedophiles in prison, don't you?

Now I'm glad that you love your sister dearly, I really am. I have a sister too, and so do many others on here, but the love for a child, your child, is like no other on earth. It delevops the second you hold your gift from God for the very first time (and if you don't believe in God, it doesn't matter; you will for that split second) and grows as your child does. For me, my time was in the middle of the night when I'd get up to feed and change her. We'd sit in the rocking in pitch blackness and she'd curl up right against my chest, her hot little baby's breath on my neck. I swear, some nights I think she purred, and I'd sit there, holding my baby girl so tight with tears of shear joy running down my face. My baby, my child, my creation. I pray for everyone who wants it to experience that kind of love.

Then you walk in to your own house and see a stranger forcing his erect dick up inside your baby girl, spraying his DNA everywhere and her screaming in pain? I would have torn him apart ... with... my... bare... hands! Yes, I think it's lucky that the child's father just punched him to death. Maybe that was humanitarism in action. I don't think I could've stopped there. Please tell me what kind of equality does a man like that deserve? Maybe it is my "lack of knowledge and education of his issues", that make me ostracize people like this and prevent me from seeing the big picture, that he deserves equal rights, just like gay people do? (And yet I've been called conceited for not conceding this point? LOL!!! Sorry, but how about the kid still in uni who is quoting text books, telling people how we should react? That our way of thinking is old? Really?)

Yes, humanitarianism is the ideal to strive for. In a perfect world I whole heartedly agree with rehabilitation of convicted criminals. Hell, A close family member was at one time the Minister of Correctional Services here and I got lawyers a plenty in the family, so I have seen things from both sides. All I'm saying is that everything has it's time and place, and that includes our very own animal instinct.
 
it turned into a human rights thing. It got derailed in the worst way.

:dead:

There's no such thing as derailment of a thread not marked "On-Topic discussion." It went in a direction you disagreed with. End of.
 
A quick death is too much of an easy way out for a rapist, let a lone a child molester. I hate the subject of child molestation and I hate discussing it so much but I kinda agree with you here.
 
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