Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

[pilate]

... I had an original response but I didn't read the follow up. Now I understand the rage the father felt, but killing someone for something he was "going" to do is too extreme.

 

[Telstra]

This is an incredibly old philosophy. As we preach constantly, we don't choose to be attracted to other men we "were born this way". The same can be said for those who are attracted to children. I in NO WAY condone the behaviour of pedophiles, it makes me sick to think about their actions. But the truth is simply this. Not every person who has this attraction act's on it. Saying that they can and will is like saying it's impossible to live a human life with out sexual contact, it can has and will continue to be done.

Abstaining is by all means the hardest thing these people deal with. We dehumanize these people by saying they're lesser then us that they're "Monsters", but are they really? No, they're considered "sick" just like we once were. There attraction is not sick, the actions that some take certainly are. We as a whole need to re-evaluate how we pass judgement as a society.

I know 99% of you will not agree with my statement and again I say I do not condone this kind of behavior. There is very little known as to what causes this attraction, the human brain is largely a medical mystery. Is death the best solution to any mental illness? No. Is rehabilitation an option? Not in every case, but as Humans we all deserve that chance to heal. I'm not saying release all the pedophiles into the world, that would be catastrophic as a VAST majority of CONVICTED sex offenders will commit an act of sexual assault again. Chemical and Physical castration in no way stops a sexual predator from being dangerous. I don't need a work penis to have sexual encounters, nor do any of us. Castration doesn't stop a person sexual urges so much as help suppress them. A castrated person still feels attraction, as it's not a strictly testosterone/estrogen hormone reaction.

Was the Father justified to physically remove this person from the situation? Yes. Was he justified to end his/her life? No, a life for this crime isn't justified in my eyes the Fathers actions were aggravated assault causing death. Can I blame him? No, nor can I imagine his emotional state at the time of the incident.

That's Just my $0.02.

This is a great post worth repeating.
I skipped and missed.

 

[Kulindahr]

Really? The comparison looks pretty clear. Here is exactly what I quoted...

Sometimes I feel like I'm teaching reading comprehension again....

The second one is someone else's statement, not a claim the one referencing it made.

The former is a comparison of people's attitudes, not of two conditions people are stuck with.

I understand that we cannot control who we are attracted to, but if that attraction breaks laws and harms innocent people, then that is a punishable offense. If we need to "re evaluate how we pass judgement on these people", then we need to re evaluate every criminal who breaks the law.

No, we don't. Come on -- what's the substantive point of comparison?

 

[Telstra]

If I didn't feel like some of my previous posts were conveniently ignored, I'd engage in this conversation more. Even at this point I think what I wrote down was almost a complete waste of time. Apparently if I (and others) don't agree with the father killing this guy, I am defending a rapist or condoning what he's done. Or that I have a problem with a parent protecting their child. Since people want to interpret it as that no matter how I state my opinion, what is the point?

Nah not that.
They have nothing to say. That is all there is to it.

 

[Kulindahr]

If I didn't feel like some of my previous posts were conveniently ignored, I'd engage in this conversation more. Even at this point I think what I wrote down was almost a complete waste of time. Apparently if I (and others) don't agree with the father killing this guy, I am defending a rapist or condoning what he's done. Or that I have a problem with a parent protecting their child. Since people want to interpret it as that no matter how I state my opinion, what is the point?

Isn't polarity fun?

The "if you don't support my position then you really stand form the worst things possible on the other side" fallacy is a knee-jerk reaction in American politics. Fighting it can get wearying, huh?

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Nah not that.
They have nothing to say. That is all there is to it.

Or his posts weren't considered inflammatory enough to engage?

 

[bankside]

If I didn't feel like some of my previous posts were conveniently ignored, I'd engage in this conversation more. Even at this point I think what I wrote down was almost a complete waste of time. Apparently if I (and others) don't agree with the father killing this guy, I am defending a rapist or condoning what he's done. Or that I have a problem with a parent protecting their child. Since people want to interpret it as that no matter how I state my opinion, what is the point?

I think what is being ignored is the difference between a death that arises from an attempt to punish or seek revenge, and a death that results from a exuberant yet effective defensive attack. If you'd stop calling it "murder" like every death is morally equivalent then we'd be getting somewhere. But then the threa would have ended a hundred posts ago. I disagree with those who say "he deserved it." but regardless of how most of us try to make the distinction sharply obvious, it is this nuance being ignored.

 

[DigitalFudge]

I'd feel better about how things went down if the Rapist had some kind of hunting knife or gun.


Then I would stand back and say "Yeah, the father needed to handle that".

Honestly, if the dude was armed with anything I feel like this story would be pretty cut and dry.


If the father was actually in harms way and defended himself from the rapist there would be no debate to be had. Just like if the daughter fought off and killed the rapist who was a threat to her there would be no discussion about this.







The disconnect in this thread point blank is this: Some here believe killing him stopped the attack some here believe getting him away from the girl stopped the attack.

 

[Telstra]

"punched him in the head repeatedly"
means the father keep on punching even tho the man was down on the floor.

 

[Telstra]

My point is that there is danger in assuming that your assumptions and opinions are fact. You read, you interpret, but that doesn't mean that it occurred in the manner that you processed it. That point is for everyone in the thread, but I'm glad that someone understands it apparently.



No it doesn't. Thank you for proving my point. If it said "punched him in the head repeatedly even though the man was down on the floor' then it would mean the father kept punching him even though he was on the floor.

Just pretend you were the raper.
Would you continue what you were doing once you got caught? Of course not.
You would be shocked and try to run away.

 

[Telstra]

here's a little more info...doesn't sound like it happened inside the house

Sheriff: Dad kills daughter's alleged attacker | News - Home

from the video report:
"the father refused to let the man get out alive ..."

In that case, i'll upgrade my manslaughter charge to Murder !!!

 

[Telstra]

Telstra...read the the part below the vid

mmm i did read. Its either manslaughter or murder, thats all.
Lucky they didn't show the father's photo. If he is cute i may down grade my charge ...

 

[Telstra]

The sheriff states:

The raper knew he was wrong. Very unlikely there was a fight.

 

[fetaby]

here's a little more info...doesn't sound like it happened inside the house

Sheriff: Dad kills daughter's alleged attacker | News - Home

Is it more info?

The article you linked is from the 11th. The two articles linked by DF are from the 12th, one of which is from CNN. Why would news organizations looking for clicks leave out the info about feeding the chickens, the grandfather, the partial nudity?

The longer I look at this situation, the more things just don't add up. Rape only works if there is anonymity or secrecy. Rapists don't want to get caught. If this guy was a repeat rapist, if he had done this to other kids, he'd know that. Why risk the chance of getting caught and ending the possibility to continue being evil? Also, who brings strangers on to their land and gives them unfettered access to the property? If this guy was there because of his horse grooming abilities, why wasn't he out there with the adults who, as your article claims, were shoeing a horse?

 

[Benvolio]

Yet another case of liberals taking everything to fanatical extremes. It is the same mind set that wants the EPA to regulate every ditch in the country and determine how much milk and soda people can drink.

 

[DigitalFudge]

Yet another case of liberals taking everything to fanatical extremes. It is the same mind set that wants the EPA to regulate every ditch in the country and determine how much milk and soda people can drink.

You will deal

 

[mikey3000]

This whole thing has turned into a huge pissing match to challenge one other's comprehension skill. Typical. Don't like their opinion, attack their intellect. Nice.

Zzzzzzzzz...

 

[Ninja108]

This whole thing has turned into a huge pissing match to challenge one other's comprehension skill. Typical. Don't like their opinion, attack their intellect. Nice.

Zzzzzzzzz...

Pretty much.

 

[mikey3000]

Sometimes I feel like I'm teaching reading comprehension again....

The second one is someone else's statement, not a claim the one referencing it made.

The former is a comparison of people's attitudes, not of two conditions people are stuck with.



No, we don't. Come on -- what's the substantive point of comparison?

Firstly, The second statement he quotes he prefaces by stating that he must substantiate his claim with facts. By him referencing this "fact", he is agreeing with what it states or he wouldn't be referencing it, would he?

Secondly, if we as a society must re-evaluate how we pass judjement on pedophiles, an act which is criminal in that there is no consent due to diminished capacity, they why stop there? Almost every other criminal act lacks consent too, no? Substantive point of comparison.

Thirdly, I taught levels 100, 200 and 300 communications at the college level and am a published writer. Don't even try to belittle my comprehension skills, cause it ain't gonna happen.

Remember, "Opinions are like assholes..."

 

[fetaby]

if we as a society must re-evaluate how we pass judjement on pedophiles, an act which is criminal in that there is no consent due to diminished capacity, they why stop there? Almost every other criminal act lacks consent too, no? Substantive point of comparison.

Sexual assault, rape, trading kiddie porn, etc. are crimes. Being a pedophile is not.

And remember, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
But didn't the APA and AMA change their definitions a few short decades ago?