Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

[refujiunderground]

Oh my God I sound like such a bitch


I'm sorry, it's just. The idea of raping someone is horrific.


Then it being a four year old girl. On top of that hitting someone so hard in the head over and over again so that it kills him?


What else could of possibly happened? He eat the rapist afterwards?

man, honestly, i don't think you or anybody here can be the moral police in this type of situation. the man did the right thing. protecting and saving his daughter's life. it would take a lot of courage to let that man live and who knows, that man probably would have tried to kill the father after catching him in the act. that man was acting out of emotion and smarts.

what would you do if you walked in to your daughter being raped by some dude that you paid to gloom your horses? i know for myself that i wouldn't know what to do if that happened to me. i don't think you can knock this man because you've never been and godforbid you ever have to go through that situation. you nor does anybody in here have the right to look down at this man for being a father.

and i think you're out of line for saying that "why would he hire someone he knew was a child molester?" last time i recalled, there was nothing saying that he knew that the horse gloomer he hired was a pedophile. it sounds like you're blaming the father for his child being raped.

and i would like to wish that man an early happy father's day because that's a father right there. killing people is wrong but in this situation, it was justified.

 

[Kulindahr]

Tiexgrr, I do understand your point, if castration does not stop the problem then I'm not sure what the solution is, as someone who was molested as a child, numerous times, I can say that I think a pedophile who acts on their urges is a disgusting cowardly ville creature. Having a sexual desire that you can not control is unfortunate, but to rape a 4 year old is evil, it is pure evil, it is evil.

I can understand the psychology of it, but acting on it is wrong.

Oprah did a great episode, where she sat down and talked with child molesters, I'm gonna post the link for anyone interested in watching it, it is disturbing, be warned.

Oprah Talks to Child Molesters Part 1 - Video - Oprah.com

The really scary part of the Oprah video is that some of the 'action' described is taken for granted by a lot of people I know -- for example, lots of young guys in their early 20s think "doing" a 14-y.o. is just an adventure.

Something else scary to me, as someone who's done counseling, is that the counselor there let the second guy especially get away with saying "it happened", which is an avoidance of responsibility, kind of like saying "The car wrecked" instead of "I was drunk and crashed the car". The third guy does the same thing when he says, "It progressed" (no, asshole, YOU progressed). That's really poor counseling procedure for anything when a person has harmed someone or done something dangerous; the person HAS to be able to say, and pretty much always say, "I did it". Failure to do that tells me this is pretty weak counseling -- and explains why these people have been in treatment for years. Another bad item is the counselor keeps supplying things the individual should be saying, which falls into the category of enabling avoidance of responsibility. A thought agreed to along the way is not the same thing as a thought accepted and voiced; one big difference is that the former is probably not supplying any force for change -- if the person has to have someone say it for him, it isn't internalized.

Oprah did a bang-up summary/review at the end, though -- that was superb. A bunch of what she said resonated with me and my experience. And parents should pay attention to it, because she really brings it home.

 

[refujiunderground]

I feel the need to back this with fact's

"Pedophilia can be described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation because it emerges prior or during puberty, and because it is stable over time." - Brian L. Cutler, Encyclopedia of Psychology and Law, SAGE, 2008, ISBN 978-1-4129-5189-0, p. 549

"These observations, however, do not exclude pedophilia from the group of mental disorders because pedophilic acts cause harm, and pedophiles can sometimes be helped by mental health professionals to refrain from acting on their impulses" - Treatments to Change Sexual Orientation, Fred S. Berlin

For a complete understanding for any of those like myself who are willing to read and educate themselves further about Pedophilia click this link, it's quite educational.

i see what you're saying but the same thing could be said about people that suffer from anti-social personality disorder. yeah, these people are human beings but it doesn't change the fact that they're dangerous to the general public at large. do they deserve to die and the whole nine? no but at the same time, they have to be dealt with by the people that are able to deal with them since these are disorders that are not rehabilitable. some people are fucked up because that's the way they are.

 

[refujiunderground]

Emotion yes, smarts no.

just saying. you don't know what else that man might have been capable of doing. who knows? that man might have been armed or had a weapon on him. he might have killed the kid had the father not come back and fled all the way to somewhere else. he probably might have fought the father and tried to kill him for catching him in the act. there's not much room to think when someone is crazy enough to start raping your kid around your presence. that dude had nothing to lose so given the situation, so the father had to treat it like it was a situation of life and death.

 

[Kulindahr]

As a father of 2 small children I totally understand the fathers reaction and don't have a problem with what he did. God help anyone that does something like that to one of my kids. In fact I think he got off too easy.

Steven.

I'm no father -- wouldn't want to pass on my bipolar genes, if no other reason -- but I have friends with kids and I've worked with kids. I've pulled a gun on someone threatening kids I was responsible for, and I shoved another into a gutter, not caring if he fell into traffic. So I'm right there with this dad.

Hopefully this will result in the kid seeing her dad as a strong protector, and it won't be traumatic.

BTW, reading through the piece and through the thread, I got to thinking . . . since it was Texas, the dad sort of missed the boat -- he should have grabbed all the menfolk and strung the guy up.

 

[refujiunderground]

I understand that, but I honestly don't understand why people think he did 'good'. Cause he didn't. People are only looking at it through their own moral glasses.

In this situation no one leaves happy. He is going to be in jail out of his daughters life, daughter is going to have an absent father because of it and she is going to be traumatized. Obviously in a time where she needs her father the most. I don't think the father is going to be in jail happy about the people who think he did good, he's going to be missing his daughter.

i agree with you. killing is wrong but in some situations, it's justified when it can prevent something else tragic from happening. in this case, he was saving his daughter's life and possibly his own not knowing what this guy was capable of doing. i doubt he's going to jail.

and there's a chance that charges might not even be filed in the case if the investigation results show that it was a matter of self defense. even if this case reaches the da and it goes to a grand jury, there's a slim chance that it'll even get that far.

 

[subsonic]

man, honestly, i don't think you or anybody here can be the moral police in this type of situation.

and i would like to wish that man an early happy father's day because that's a father right there. killing people is wrong but in this situation, it was justified.

You're kind of contradicting yourself here, buddy. Saying that none of us can be the moral police, while the father took the law into his own hands AND you're sitting here, claiming that it was justice, e.g. being the moral police.

I'm sorry but no one is above the law. We can't go all Viking on each other and be like "eye for an eye". Imagine how the society we would live in would be, if everyone were like that.

 

[refujiunderground]

You're kind of contradicting yourself here, buddy. Saying that none of us can be the moral police, while the father took the law into his own hands AND you're sitting here, claiming that it was justice, e.g. being the moral police.

I'm sorry but no one is above the law. We can't go all Viking on each other and be like "eye for an eye". Imagine how the society we would live in would be, if everyone were like that.

i'm talking from a law perspective and in the law perspective, he's not going to jail. among the reasons, judging from the words that the sheriff said in the article, the case is already being used a political crutch. i DOUBT that when it comes time for election that the da and the sheriff want to be known for prosecuting a man that beat another man to death for catching him raping his daughter especially in a state like texas. they will NOT get reelected if some rival of theirs comes around and puts that as their campaign and understandably so. i also DOUBT that the case is even going to get far being that the laws in texas pretty much allow you to get away with murder if there is proper cause that the justified homicide was done in self defense. in this case, a man protecting his defenseless kid. if they charge him with anything, it'll probably be involuntary manslaughter and he might not even get any time in prison. just a short stint in jail.

but regardless, i don't think this case is going to go far period.

 

[bankside]

The father reacted emotionally. Well, the father reacted with the correct emotion. A rapist is not entitled to a measured response from any parent who discovers a situation of child rape.

 

[refujiunderground]

Incorrect, like any mental disorder you can be rehabilitated. Take these for example, Alcoholism, Drug Addiction, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome the list goes on all have a Neurological factor, as does Pedophilia. Can they be cured? No, can they be regulated? Yes Definitely.

"At present, the exact causes of pedophilia have not been conclusively established.[26] Research suggests that pedophilia may be correlated with several different neurological abnormalities, and often co-exists with other personality disorders and psychological pathologies." - ^ "Pedophilia (Causes)". Psychology Today. Sussex Publishers, LLC. 7 September 2006.

With enough therapy these people can be re-introduced to a semi normal life. Is it the only solution? No, but its one of the most common ways of dealing with their actions. It in no way justifies them, nor does it condone them but it certainly brings a sense of normalcy to their lives

"Although pedophilia has yet no cure, various treatments are available that are aimed at reducing or preventing the expression of pedophilic behavior, reducing the prevalence of child sexual abuse.[20][90]" - Fuller AK (January 1989). "Child molestation and pedophilia. An overview for the physician". JAMA 261 (4): 602–6.

Cognitive behavioral therapy, also known as relapse prevention, has been shown to reduce recidivism in contact sex offenders.[92]

cognitive-behavioral treatments target attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors that are believed to increase the likelihood of sexual offenses against children, and "relapse prevention" is the most common type of cognitive behavioral treatment.[93] The techniques of relapse prevention are based on principles used for treating addictions.[94] Other scientists have also done some research that indicates that recidivism rates of pedophiles in therapy are lower than pedophiles who eschew therapy.[94]" - Seto, M. C. (2008). Pedophilia and sexual offending against children: Theory, assessment, and intervention. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association & - Pedophilia Often in Headlines, But Not in Research Labs — Psychiatric News



I'm going to step out of this at this point as I do not want to ruffle any more feathers then I already have. But the fact still stands. We as a society are quick to pass judgement when in fact we have little to no education on the topic we're condemning.

agreed, they can't be cured but they can learn how to live with their conditions.

 

[DigitalFudge]

man, honestly, i don't think you or anybody here can be the moral police in this type of situation. the man did the right thing. protecting and saving his daughter's life. it would take a lot of courage to let that man live and who knows, that man probably would have tried to kill the father after catching him in the act. that man was acting out of emotion and smarts.

what would you do if you walked in to your daughter being raped by some dude that you paid to gloom your horses? i know for myself that i wouldn't know what to do if that happened to me. i don't think you can knock this man because you've never been and godforbid you ever have to go through that situation. you nor does anybody in here have the right to look down at this man for being a father.

and i think you're out of line for saying that "why would he hire someone he knew was a child molester?" last time i recalled, there was nothing saying that he knew that the horse gloomer he hired was a pedophile. it sounds like you're blaming the father for his child being raped.

and i would like to wish that man an early happy father's day because that's a father right there. killing people is wrong but in this situation, it was justified.

man, honestly, i don't think you or anybody here can be the moral police in this type of situation.

I was expressing how I feel to start a discussion. What the fuck do you want me to do when starting a thread?

the man did the right thing.

Oh I see, I can't share my opinion but you can share yours. Got it.

protecting and saving his daughter's life.

The father protected his daughter when he stopped the assault. What happened after that was an altercation between two men.

t would take a lot of courage to let that man live and who knows, that man probably would have tried to kill the father after catching him in the act.

Courage has nothing to do with it. Now the rapist is a theoretical murderer?

that man was acting out of emotion and smarts.

what would you do if you walked in to your daughter being raped by some dude that you paid to gloom your horses?

I would have fucked him up and called the police.

you nor does anybody in here have the right to look down at this man for being a father.

The father killed him. That is a fact.

killing people is wrong but in this situation, it was justified.

That's really scary.

 

[DigitalFudge]

You're kind of contradicting yourself here, buddy. Saying that none of us can be the moral police, while the father took the law into his own hands AND you're sitting here, claiming that it was justice, e.g. being the moral police.

I'm sorry but no one is above the law. We can't go all Viking on each other and be like "eye for an eye". Imagine how the society we would live in would be, if everyone were like that.

 

[refujiunderground]

The father killed him. That is a fact.




That's really scary.

what i think is scary is how you are minimizing the situation acting like you can prepare yourself for something like that. you can't so therefore you can say how you MIGHT carry it but reality speaking, you don't know what you would do in that situation so just stop.

you don't even know if he just hit the man with one hit or three hits or whatever the hell else. not going to get into detail but my point is to talk like you can picture yourself in that situation and what you WOULD do as if you have it all planned out is ridiculous.

 

[DigitalFudge]

what i think is scary is how you are minimizing the situation acting like you can prepare yourself for something like that. you can't so therefore you can say how you MIGHT carry it but reality speaking, you don't know what you would do in that situation so just stop.

What on earth are you hinting at? You claim I don't know what I would do why on earth do you feel like YOU would know what I would do?


You are saying that I would kill him?


Wow, the rapist is killer. I'm a killer.


Everybody is a god damn killer to you.

 

[refujiunderground]

What on earth are you hinting at? You claim I don't know what I would do why on earth do you feel like YOU would know what I would do?


You are saying that I would kill him?


Wow, the rapist is killer. I'm a killer.


Everybody is a god damn killer to you.

my point is that you do not know what you would do in the heat of the moment.

you're saying that you would fuck him up and call the police. well, that's what the man did. what happened if he just so happened to knock him out and the guy just happened to die? ever thought of that? you act as if you know how much hits it can take to kill somebody. not everybody is the same. some people can get hit in the face and not feel shit while others can die from one mouth shot.

 

[DigitalFudge]

my point is that you do not know what you would do in the heat of the moment.

you're saying that you would fuck him up and call the police. well, that's what the man did. what happened if he just so happened to knock him out and the guy just happened to die? ever thought of that? you act as if you know how much hits it can take to kill somebody. not everybody is the same. some people can get hit in the face and not feel shit while others can die from one mouth shot.

punched him in the head repeatedly, killing him,

Whelp.... That's that.

 

[refujiunderground]

Whelp.... That's that.

maybe because the other guy was fighting back. you don't know, you weren't there.

how would you have fucked him up? are you a fighting expert?

 

[DigitalFudge]

maybe because the other guy was fighting back. you don't know, you weren't there.

how would you have fucked him up? are you a fighting expert?

Roflmao you are the one with "Maybes" and hypothesizing making up scenarios about the rapist murdering the father and how I would do the same thing the father did but I am the one that "Doesn't know"



Are you high? Seriously.


I come @ you with quotes and facts while you reply with "Maybes"

 

[refujiunderground]

Roflmao you are the one with "Maybes" and hypothesizing making up scenarios about the rapist murdering the father and how I would do the same thing the father did but I am the one that "Doesn't know"



Are you high? Seriously.


I come @ you with quotes and facts while you reply with "Maybes"

quotes and facts from a news article that got the story from someone else that is unsure of the story of what transpired huh?

last time i remember, they were doing an investigation of the whole situation because the police were not sure about what happened exactly besides a man's child being raped by someone he paid to groom his horse and him beat him to the point where he died. you're just talking shit right now using an article that ain't even 100% reliable of what happened so shut the fuck up.

i admire your confidence though as if you are sure of yourself when you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[DigitalFudge]

quotes and facts huh from a news article that got the story from someone else that is unsure of the story of what transpired huh?

last time i remember, they were doing an investigation of the whole situation because the investigators were not sure about what happened exactly besides a man's child being raped by someone he paid to groom his horse and him beat him to the point where he died. you're just talking shit right now using an article that ain't even 100% reliable of what happened so shut the fuck up.

quotes and facts huh from a news article that got the story from someone else that is unsure of the story of what transpired huh?

Yup: Like the fact that the man not only stopped the assualt but beat him to death.

That's what we, who use receipts, like to call "facts".

Remind yourself, bro, you are the one telling illusive and fanatical tales of what could of happened. The rest of us are simply stating what went down while you make excuses for it.

you're just talking shit right

How am I talking shit?

I'm the one in this thread that said death is not a punishment. I wanted to see that man suffer. Clearly you broke your neck trying to drag me and failed not even realizing my MO.

so shut the fuck up

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