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Someone please explain children out of wedlock and single parent homes...

your big problem here is that
I can't think of a better statistic to back what I said when I wrote that the worst kids in my school were born out of wedlock/are raised by a single mother. The prison population is FULL of people raised just like them. I can't find a stronger statistic to back what I said.
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this is not a statistic. In here you have:

I can't think of a better statistic to back what I said when I wrote that the worst kids in my school were born out of wedlock/are raised by a single mother.

This is not evidence. Or statistic. This is purely opinion based, with no actual method of measurement. You have no evidence that these are "the worst kids" other than what is within your own scope of experience.

The prison population is FULL of people raised just like them.

It amazes me how easily you can ignore crucial parts of my posts.
Though yes, 78% of the prison population is indeed from fatherless homes.
95% of adults who were raised in fatherless homes are not in jail. A mere 5% are.
this is flawed, and somewhat irrelative statistic.
As for this hitting close to home: You grossly misjudge the degree to which I don't give a shit.

If that's honestly the best argument you can come up with. You may want to reconsider your views as to the fluidity of "right"
 
A mere five percent of children born out of wedlock are in jail and you think that's vindication for out of wedlock children? That really is reaching even with your shoddy math.

40% of children are born out of wedlock and 79% of inmates are raised by single mothers and somehow you managed find "good" news in all that. The point is, children raised by single mothers are OVER-REPRESENTED in jails. Take that "it's only five percent" bullshit somewhere else.

The things you read on here, all to excuse bad behavior too. And to further show how off the mark you are in your defense of egregious behavior, that 40% out of wedlock births are for children TODAY. So, for the troublemakers in jail currently, they were raised in times where there was a much lower rate of unwed mothers and yet despite being raised in a society with much lower out of wedlock birthrates, they dicked around to reach about 80% of the prison population.
Musik2400 said:
your big problem here is that


this is not a statistic. In here you have:

I can't think of a better statistic to back what I said when I wrote that the worst kids in my school were born out of wedlock/are raised by a single mother.

This is not evidence. Or statistic. This is purely opinion based, with no actual method of measurement. You have no evidence that these are "the worst kids" other than what is within your own scope of experience.

The prison population is FULL of people raised just like them.

It amazes me how easily you can ignore crucial parts of my posts.
Though yes, 78% of the prison population is indeed from fatherless homes.
95% of adults who were raised in fatherless homes are not in jail. A mere 5% are.
this is flawed, and somewhat irrelative statistic.
As for this hitting close to home: You grossly misjudge the degree to which I don't give a shit.

If that's honestly the best argument you can come up with. You may want to reconsider your views as to the fluidity of "right"
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Lostlover said:
A mere five percent of children born out of wedlock are in jail and you think that's vindication for out of wedlock children? That really is reaching even with your shoddy math.

40% of children are born out of wedlock and 79% of inmates are raised by single mothers and somehow you managed find "good" news in all that. The point is, children raised by single mothers are OVER-REPRESENTED in jails. Take that "it's only five percent" bullshit somewhere else.

The things you read on here, all to excuse bad behavior too. And to further show how off the mark you are in your defense of egregious behavior, that 40% out of wedlock births are for children TODAY. So, for the troublemakers in jail currently, they were raised in times where there was a much lower rate of unwed mothers and yet despite being raised in a society with much lower out of wedlock birthrates, they dicked around to reach about 80% of the prison population.
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Really? My shoddy math? Its simple multiplication dealing with percents.

And you're immediately assuming that the demographic of inmates became inmates due to being part of the demographic of single-parent homes. What you fail to realize is that there is just as high a likelihood that the prison demographic happens to be one of many that falls under the larger demographic of single parent homes.

And yes, they reached eighty percent of the prison population. But also yes: MERE.

See you're saying that absolutely, out of wedlock children are doomed to be without certain advantages, and to all be part of some "under" social class which includes prison inmates. If you honestly think, that when 95% of them are not part of the prison population, this does not discredit your argument, then I fear for the children you teach.

Go on thinking you're right, and holding yourself above everyone else. You won't be alone that's for sure. I enjoy a good argument, but this is like beating a dead horse. I love how political extremists can always manage to ignore everything that proves them wrong, because they hold so rigidly on to the belief that they are right, and they are the only right. Like I said, you may want to take a good long hard look on your narrow scope of the world. Widen it. if not because you want to improve yourself, then widen it so that the children you teach, don't need to be imprinted with the same naivety.
 
I know the bolded part is true, otherwise it would be a truth. You should spend a day in my shoes. Imagine trying to call a parent and getting someone on the phone that doesn't give a damn about his or her child's behavior? And it's not uncommon too. It's foreign to me to have lazy ass parents that don't give a damn about their children. And I'm using the term parents loosely here. People are born with testes and ovaries.

I know from reading Obama's biography that he was raised by his single mother for a few months and he turned out superb and extremely intelligent. Yes his mother went on to get her PhD and his loving grandparents took care of him. However, most parents I'm dealing with don't work and probably dropped out of high school. So it's apples and oranges, serious parents/grandparents and lazy parents.

I never said every child born out of wedlock is this or that. I said every bad ass child I run into at school, has parents with different last names, telephone numbers and addresses ---> broken home. Let me put one exception in here. Some of the refugees I've had to call home about do have both parents with them. And despite being born in a war torn country like Somalia or being run out of Russia for being a Muslim, they overcome the language barrier and do better than their American counterparts in American schools.

I swear, this is the kind of shit that'll make you turn into and vote Republican.
MoePhoenix7 said:
I don't necessarily think Lostlover is. Sure, he's been extremely condescending throughout the duration of this thread and I couldn't imagine him effectively teaching kids with special-needs with such an attitude. But with that aside, I actually agree with some of the points he raised in this thread. What I personally took offense to is his bullheaded stance that everything he believes about women having children out of wedlock is indeed the absolute truth. There are many exceptions to that rule. All single, out-of-wedlock mothers did not choose to become one b/c they were irresponsible street whores. Quite a few just don't believe in the traditional constructs of marriage and have raised upstanding, law-abiding children in spite of it.

So while I do agree that he is right in insisting that there is a correlation between kids who are disruptive usually originate from one-parent households. At the same time, he's wrong to paint every child from a single parent household as a disturbance to society. Children from so-called healthy, in-wedlock households can be just as big of a pain in the ass on the world. Jeffrey Dahmer grew up in a household where both of his parents were married and look how he turned out. :cool:
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When parents divorce, shoot their children.
Problem solved.



You're welcome.
 
Lostlover said:
Dogs are cute. Bad ass kids that might rob or kill you one day aren't cute.
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Call me crazy, but I don't think married parents will stop children from being maniacs. Children are, by nature, wild savage creatures. People must be forced and learned to behave by social standards. A balance of two parents may assist in achieving this, but some will still be serial killers and sociopaths.

Remember that nature has programmed carnivores to eat meat. To eat meat, you have to kill it. We're predisposed to a kind of savagery already. It's our animal nature. You're never gonna have a society of perfectly well-behaved persons.

Forcing the rigid order and structure of school upon humans is more an unnatural act than a mischevious child.

Don't be fooled, the Wild West is alive and well. It's just dressed with prettier buildings and fancier clothes.

I'm just sayin.
 
blackbeltninja said:
Wow, you're just not even trying to be civil about this anymore, are you?

-d-
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Anymore? :lol:

To me, there is a specific type of person that needs someone or something to demonize all the time. Next up? Welfare and illegal aliens...
 
I agree with the last 5 posters, although I think Sloppyseconds might be saying that like it's a good thing:rolleyes:...

and @ Lostlover: You make me crazy dude!
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But I think you know that already, huh?:kiss:Relax sweetie, if you keep worrying about this weird shit you're gonna have a stroke and you'll end up with partial paralysis talking with slurred speech.
I worry about you puddin'; don't cause me to have a stroke!
 
I drive a bus full of the people Lostlover describes.

Board with a pass that only one 17 or younger can have, but have two children tagging along.

Show almost zero parenting skills and have to be nearly threatened with police action to be persuaded to remove the kids from a rolling potential death machine (baby carriage) as per federal law.

Listen to abusive and profane language directed to kids.

Watch parent totally ignore everything child does....

Yeah, let's have more of this!
 
blackbeltninja said:
Wow, you're just not even trying to be civil about this anymore, are you?

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For calling a spade a spade, I'm no longer being civil.

People have taken shots at me, fine. Now can we take shots at unwed mothers and sperm donor fathers destroying society?
 
Someone who actually deals with the same population as I do. And it seems like we agree.

It truly is a societal disaster and yet they attack YOU for noticing it! And commenting on it!

Somali refugees at my school dodged bombs in their homelands and learned before puberty how shoot an AK47. Nepalese refugees were pushed out of their homeland because the king had something against Hindus. Turkish Russian rufugees at my school were targets of skinheads in Moscow and received asylum to live here. They come here, learn the language and generally do far better than the average American student at my school.

And these trashy parents watch these "foreigners" cake walk past their children and wonder why.

This is the kind of thing that will make you vote republican. And I'm a liberal.
NineOfClubs said:
I drive a bus full of the people Lostlover describes.

Board with a pass that only one 17 or younger can have, but have two children tagging along.

Show almost zero parenting skills and have to be nearly threatened with police action to be persuaded to remove the kids from a rolling potential death machine (baby carriage) as per federal law.

Listen to abusive and profane language directed to kids.

Watch parent totally ignore everything child does....

Yeah, let's have more of this!
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