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sometimes, i wish i wasn't gay and that i could be straight

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To the OP: you claim the deck is stacked against you because you are gay. Now, what are you going to do with the hand you have been dealt? Fold?

Maybe you could tell us just what you have to offer a guy or the world in which you live.

Look around you at JUB. You will see lots of guys who have known hardship and loss. Not only have we survived, but we have flourished. You spend too much time looking in the wrong direction.
 
There's a big gaping hole in your logic. Just because you fail at establishing substantial relationships with men and hate your sexuality doesn't mean we all do.

I'm sure some gay men do well, really well even, but that's not the point. The OP says he just doesn't click with most gay men because of the predominance within the culture to be perverted or diva-ish.

No one said all gay men are like this. Obviously, the majority of such that he and I have met have, too, acted this way which has left a lasting impression on us. Nothing is wrong with my personality. I fight off beautiful, smart and outgoing straight women everyday. Why the clinical diagnosis by the "establishment" claiming my reasons for not enjoying other gay men being I am boring, arrogant, self-hating and cynical?

Face it, there is something wrong within the gay community. We are homosexual but that doesn't mean we have to be homogeneous too.
 
Funny, I don't see any more predominance of gay men to be perverted and the biggest divas in this thread are the op and you, attallaborn.
 
Rather... this guy is always complaining about how his life is. If he's so upset about how things are, he should change himself and stop trying to change other people.



What's the establishment in the gay community? And who is bitching about who here? When someone's personality is bad they have themselves to blame.



The peasant reality? What is that? And it sucks being gay? Why is that? Because you're not comfortable in your own skin? Yes, soilwork is right... you should stop feeling bad for yourself. Many of us on here are happy with who we are and the lives we are living. And just about everything you post there is hollow stereotypes.

Jeez... I just cringe when I see posts like this one...

I dont know how I find myself in these battles or why I am usually defending my point of view against the masses on here but somebody's gotta do it eh...guess it shows that I am gay but think totally different than most the queens on this site.

Dude, I like the fact that I find other men attractive. If given the chance to change that, I probably would not. It's just the constraints of the lifestyle that suck. As gay men, we have been put into a box and told to act a certain way. I don't like that, and that's all that I am saying.

Like I said earlier, I fight off beautiful, witty, outgoing and ambitious straight women everyday. I have tons of straight friends and have accomplished a lot. Nothing is wrong with my personality. I don't hate myself. Only thing, I can't find a gay equal ... that kinda hurts and sucks big time. Why is that: because I feel out of place within this community... "Put that in your pipe and smoke it" :D
 
Dude, I like the fact that I find other men attractive. If given the chance to change that, I probably would not. It's just the constraints of the lifestyle that suck. As gay men, we have been put into a box and told to act a certain way. I don't like that, and that's all that I am saying.

We have not ever been told to "act a certain way" because we're gay - where the hell did you pull that out of and how soon can you shove it back in?

Like I said earlier, I fight off beautiful, witty, outgoing and ambitious straight women everyday. I have tons of straight friends and have accomplished a lot.

Interesting that you say this, when earlier you whined:

Why the clinical diagnosis by the "establishment" claiming my reasons for not enjoying other gay men being I am boring, arrogant, self-hating and cynical?

If you don't see the connection between your arrogance and self-importance, and your unhappiness with the purported "gay establishment" or as a child once put it, the Gay Mafia, there is no helping you. It's also a laugh riot that you complain about diva attitudes while doing your damnedest to serve up some classic Mariah Carey on a bender realness.

Nothing is wrong with my personality. I don't hate myself. Only thing, I can't find a gay equal ... that kinda hurts and sucks big time. Why is that: because I feel out of place within this community... "Put that in your pipe and smoke it" :D

You only feel out of place because you've placed yourself on a pedestal. What you don't realize is, you're VERY easy to read. I'd smoke this info, but much like reading this pamphlet you provided, i'd rather kill brain cells in a more fun way.

In short, you're no different from the rest of us "mere mortals" - you just think because girls hit on you and you hang with straight guys that you're somehow better than the guys that can be clocked. Well, I get hit on by guys and girls and have straight, bi, and gay friends - that shit is meaningless and listing it makes us both seem like douchey little twits. Cut it the fuck out.
 
after awhile, this gets irritating and boring because there's really nothing to gain from this shit at all besides fucking and sucking dudes. being in love with a guy might feel good but after awhile, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. only thing that is annoying about being straight is that you have to get a woman. with being gay, you get a whole stockpile of problems and face a shitload of hardships. with that said, i don't even feel like coming out or being bothered with this shit.

another thing that turns me off about this whole thing right here is the other gay guys that i have to encounter and deal with. not going to lie but some of you actually annoy me or piss me off to the point where i feel like hitting one of ya. i also find it annoying that i can't talk to another gay guy that just be fucking friendly with me. they're either trying to get into my damn pants or try to hit me up with this whole diva attitude where i feel like strangling them. sorry, i just had to rant real quick.

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Funny, I don't see any more predominance of gay men to be perverted and the biggest divas in this thread are the op and you, attallaborn.

Of course you wouldn't - you're the gay elite, "the establishment" that represents the 99% of the happy gays frolicking within the euphoric spheres of West Hollywood.

I wouldn't expect you to see anything (especially perverted) outside your supportive and demure circle of gay A listers. I can only ask that you take my word for it, and trust, that there are others like me and the OP out there. Others suffering and wishing they find a little pill that makes the gayness go away or hoping that some gay stud walks up and actually wants to talk without having sex later or be good enough to be our friend.

ok folks, last one for tonight. Yall flamed and wore me down... :D
 
We have not ever been told to "act a certain way" because we're gay - where the hell did you pull that out of and how soon can you shove it back in?



Interesting that you say this, when earlier you whined:



If you don't see the connection between your arrogance and self-importance, and your unhappiness with the purported "gay establishment" or as a child once put it, the Gay Mafia, there is no helping you. It's also a laugh riot that you complain about diva attitudes while doing your damnedest to serve up some classic Mariah Carey on a bender realness.

You only feel out of place because you've placed yourself on a pedestal. What you don't realize is, you're VERY easy to read. I'd smoke this info, but much like reading this pamphlet you provided, i'd rather kill brain cells in a more fun way.

In short, you're no different from the rest of us "mere mortals" - you just think because girls hit on you and you hang with straight guys that you're somehow better than the guys that can be clocked. Well, I get hit on by guys and girls and have straight, bi, and gay friends - that shit is meaningless and listing it makes us both seem like douchey little twits. Cut it the fuck out.

good try. i am not crazy. no matter how much you try to convince me that i am dysfunctional and arrogant it aint gonna work. please stop. my personality is fine. women are attracted to me; i can talk most any topics; i excell at sports; like fashion; like pop culture; eat, sleep and breath cinema and music; health nut; i have many friends and a solid career path...NOTHING IS WRONG WITH ME

please try to convince some other unsatisfied gay man that he's a self-indulged lunatic because he's unsatisfied with gay culture and perpetuated stereotypes .. touting positives about myself is not form of arrogance but to show i'm not some 300 year old troll sitting behind a screen hating my wasted, gay life. i am a well rounded guy, that's all...so your rhetoric is pointless. i work with refugees and economically depressed citizens..i could care less about materialism or superficial crap about being on a pedestal. don't judge me, judge the lifestyle bro
 
sometimes, i wish i wasn't gay and that i could be straight

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thankyou
 
i'm not looking for anybody to deal with right now so that's not a thing. the only way that i would get involved with somebody is if another guy could understand the situation i am in my life right now in which i can't find one. in other words, he would have to be a good friend first before he even messed with me and it seems like not too many gay guys outthere want to do that. it seems like they're on some bullshit or they just want to cut to the chase and just fuck. i also am looking to improve my life right now because you can say that i'm in a fucked up situation and i'm more so worried about that than finding a boyfriend. i'm looking for a friend that can help me get through this because i'm alone on this aside from going to counseling.

and if i was straight, that would be less problems to deal with for me. being gay just makes my 99 problems 100 now because i have to worry about coming out, possibly losing family and friends over this shit, and all the hardships that come with being a gay male. you know, this is really challenging me because i got enough bullshit on my plate.

and yeah, i agree with you on whining but shit, this is how i take out my frustrations and anger because doing it the other way isn't going to work. i'm not going to take out my frustrations through hurting people and such. i'm trying to be a better man than how i used to be. acknowledging that i'm gay was one step, accepting it was another and now living with it is going to be something else especially when i don't have anybody to lean on in my neighborhood or my community for that matter.

The problems are all in your head.
If you head said no problem. There won't be any problems.

So your head/mind create a lot of problems.
 
I think one cliche phrase summarizes this thread - The grass is always greener...
 
you know, i appreciate everybody's input on this shit but i think a lot of ya need to understand where some of us are coming from. yeah, i agree with the fact that only you have the power to make your life better and etc. i know this. i also agree that ranting about it (to you guys i'm complaining or whining, don't see it that way) isn't going to change the situation either. you're a 100 percent right about that.

but however, back to this, everybody is different in terms of dealing with shit though as well as our environments and circumstances. some of us have nothing to lose while others do have things to lose from this. it's easy to say that "yeah, come out the closet. get yourself a job. do this, that, and whatever at 25 years old" but how many of you guys actually been in that position where you can relate. i also notice that many of you guys came out in your teens and your early 20s. to me, coming out when you're 16 or dealing with this matter at hand at that age is much more easier compared to when you're 25 or 30 especially when you're a grown ass man with nothing to lean back on. you are allowed sometime to figure yourself out at 16 but you don't have the same amount of time at 25 especially if you have to worry about other things on the plate as well.

speaking for myself, i grew up around an environment where homosexuality was frowned down on from the jump. if you were gay, then something was wrong with you. i learned that at an early age even though i myself was gay, it's that i didn't realize it yet. so by the time i reached a certain age and put two and two together, i pretty much hated myself and shit and did everything in my power to not be gay. i hated gay people, i became a full blown homophobe, i said some hateful shit and etc. however, i started going through an internal conflict with myself. i wanted to like girls, date them and be attracted to them but things weren't going how they should have. i had an attraction to guys. unfortunately, the gay guys that were around me at the time i was a teenager going through this were complete assholes and douchebags. they weren't helping anything at all.

you know, i knew that eventually i was going to have to handle this matter sooner or later because the longer, it went on. the more i found myself getting in a hole. i pretty much went along with something that i shouldn't have went along with and am now caught up in a situation which is going to hurt me more than it probably should. i really don't care if you guys don't like me or not. you guys can hate me all you want, call me a whiney loser or put me on your ignore list. that doesn't bother me. it's that i'm scared of losing my family and the friends that have grown to love me over this shit because they are that ignorant towards this. they shared the same ignorant mentality that i had towards gay people.

as for the whole gay friends thing, i just want to be accepted for who i am as a person and i'm down to accept so and so for who they are too. that's all that i want to do. we don't even have to put this whole sexuality shit to the forefront because to me, it's secondary if anything. if it's meant to happen, then it'll happen. i'm not all that worried about that because it'll happen. yeah, i know people don't get along with everybody but i know how people are though. to me, there aren't a lot of people that can keep it real with themselves even in the gay community. hell, i figured that since we're dealing with a taboo subject in a society that isn't all that familar with homosexuality where it takes a lot of guts to even acknowledge that you're a homosexual to yourself, that people wouldn't have no issues with people just being themselves. you know, since the gay community preaches this whole liberation shit. i then come to realize after really looking at this shit that there are just as much issues in the gay community as the straight community. it's like you got dudes playing characters and not being themselves. at least that's what i see. i pretty put myself first before i do with my characteristics and what i'm seeing is dudes doing the other way around so i feel like i have to tip toe around dudes and such. it's quite annoying. i know you're gay, that's cool. how about YOU as a person? i pretty much represent myself. even though i don't want to and feel obligated, i have an inherent responsibility to represent my gender, skin color, sexuality and etc but i put myself first. all i'm asking for is for people to keep it real with me. don't judge me for my face or how i look. judge me for my personality and get to know me first as a person before you even go about judging me. i know you guys in here claim i have a shitty personality judging from my text, my threads and all but ya don't even know me to begin with so your judgements about me are nothing. the only time your opinion about my personality matters is if you spend a day or even a week to know me and how i do. you know, for the record, i'm used to being judged being that i'm used to people having opinions on me without even fucking knowing me or just seeing me. all of a sudden, they know about my whole lifestory, how i grew up, me as a person just seeing how i walk and seeing how i look and stuff. that's all good. i'm not even mad about that.

now i'm trying to be a man about this shit and i'm basically doing this for me.
 
The problems are all in your head.
If you head said no problem. There won't be any problems.

So your head/mind create a lot of problems.

yeah, i agree with you. i'm actually fucked up in the head but not that fucked up where my little issues make it hard for me to live. i create a lot of problems that i don't have.

Hey dude, life is 90% how you TAKE it and 10% how you MAKE it. Chill out.

yeah, i'm trying dude but like i said, it's been difficult.
 
Judge the lifestyle? What lifestyle?

He's referring to the stereotypes. You know, the ones put out by the evil media.

But instead of just living his life and debunking those stereotypes he'd rather rail against who he perceives to be the "enemy", other gay folks.

It's really not that serious people. Being gay is only as big a deal as you make it. Yeah, you're going to have people in your life that make it a big deal, but it's your choice to keep those people in your life. Nobody gets through it all without a bit of drama, but not everybody clings to the drama either.
 
after awhile, this gets irritating and boring because there's really nothing to gain from this shit at all besides fucking and sucking chicks. being in love with a girl might feel good but after awhile, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. only thing that is annoying about being gay is that you have to get a man. with being straight, you get a whole stockpile of problems and face a shitload of hardships. with that said, i don't even feel like going in or being bothered with this shit.

another thing that turns me off about this whole thing right here is the other straight guys that i have to encounter and deal with. not going to lie but some of you actually annoy me or piss me off to the point where i feel like hitting one of ya. i also find it annoying that i can't talk to another straight girl that just be fucking friendly with me. they're either trying to get into my damn pants or try to hit me up with this whole diva attitude where i feel like strangling them. sorry, i just had to rant real quick.
 
it's that i'm scared of losing my family and the friends that have grown to love me over this shit because they are that ignorant towards this. they shared the same ignorant mentality that i had towards gay people.

Of course it is your choice to keep ignorant people around you. But it's not okay to keep crying about it. Educate them or sever the links, but there's only so many times you can come and cry wolf.

If being gay is so fucking bad then be asexual. Don't try to have relationships. But how tired do you think we get reading this crap all the time about how much it sucks to be gay because you're scared?

Well here's the news, being gay doesn't suck. In fact, it's pretty fucking awesome. Your family sucks, your friends suck. You keep making posts like this and I'm going to have to say you suck.

All these sad fuckers coming here thinking they're the best shit since sliced bread telling us the world sucks because we're alive in it. :lol:
 
refujiunderground, I sympathize with your frustrations. I really do. If you ever want to talk privately, please feel free to send a PM my way.
 
you know, i appreciate everybody's input on this shit but i think a lot of ya need to understand where some of us are coming from. yeah, i agree with the fact that only you have the power to make your life better and etc. i know this. i also agree that ranting about it (to you guys i'm complaining or whining, don't see it that way) isn't going to change the situation either. you're a 100 percent right about that.

but however, back to this, everybody is different in terms of dealing with shit though as well as our environments and circumstances. some of us have nothing to lose while others do have things to lose from this. it's easy to say that "yeah, come out the closet. get yourself a job. do this, that, and whatever at 25 years old" but how many of you guys actually been in that position where you can relate. i also notice that many of you guys came out in your teens and your early 20s. to me, coming out when you're 16 or dealing with this matter at hand at that age is much more easier compared to when you're 25 or 30 especially when you're a grown ass man with nothing to lean back on. you are allowed sometime to figure yourself out at 16 but you don't have the same amount of time at 25 especially if you have to worry about other things on the plate as well.

speaking for myself, i grew up around an environment where homosexuality was frowned down on from the jump. if you were gay, then something was wrong with you. i learned that at an early age even though i myself was gay, it's that i didn't realize it yet. so by the time i reached a certain age and put two and two together, i pretty much hated myself and shit and did everything in my power to not be gay. i hated gay people, i became a full blown homophobe, i said some hateful shit and etc. however, i started going through an internal conflict with myself. i wanted to like girls, date them and be attracted to them but things weren't going how they should have. i had an attraction to guys. unfortunately, the gay guys that were around me at the time i was a teenager going through this were complete assholes and douchebags. they weren't helping anything at all.

you know, i knew that eventually i was going to have to handle this matter sooner or later because the longer, it went on. the more i found myself getting in a hole. i pretty much went along with something that i shouldn't have went along with and am now caught up in a situation which is going to hurt me more than it probably should. i really don't care if you guys don't like me or not. you guys can hate me all you want, call me a whiney loser or put me on your ignore list. that doesn't bother me. it's that i'm scared of losing my family and the friends that have grown to love me over this shit because they are that ignorant towards this. they shared the same ignorant mentality that i had towards gay people.

as for the whole gay friends thing, i just want to be accepted for who i am as a person and i'm down to accept so and so for who they are too. that's all that i want to do. we don't even have to put this whole sexuality shit to the forefront because to me, it's secondary if anything. if it's meant to happen, then it'll happen. i'm not all that worried about that because it'll happen. yeah, i know people don't get along with everybody but i know how people are though. to me, there aren't a lot of people that can keep it real with themselves even in the gay community. hell, i figured that since we're dealing with a taboo subject in a society that isn't all that familar with homosexuality where it takes a lot of guts to even acknowledge that you're a homosexual to yourself, that people wouldn't have no issues with people just being themselves. you know, since the gay community preaches this whole liberation shit. i then come to realize after really looking at this shit that there are just as much issues in the gay community as the straight community. it's like you got dudes playing characters and not being themselves. at least that's what i see. i pretty put myself first before i do with my characteristics and what i'm seeing is dudes doing the other way around so i feel like i have to tip toe around dudes and such. it's quite annoying. i know you're gay, that's cool. how about YOU as a person? i pretty much represent myself. even though i don't want to and feel obligated, i have an inherent responsibility to represent my gender, skin color, sexuality and etc but i put myself first. all i'm asking for is for people to keep it real with me. don't judge me for my face or how i look. judge me for my personality and get to know me first as a person before you even go about judging me. i know you guys in here claim i have a shitty personality judging from my text, my threads and all but ya don't even know me to begin with so your judgements about me are nothing. the only time your opinion about my personality matters is if you spend a day or even a week to know me and how i do. you know, for the record, i'm used to being judged being that i'm used to people having opinions on me without even fucking knowing me or just seeing me. all of a sudden, they know about my whole lifestory, how i grew up, me as a person just seeing how i walk and seeing how i look and stuff. that's all good. i'm not even mad about that.

now i'm trying to be a man about this shit and i'm basically doing this for me.

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Of course it is your choice to keep ignorant people around you. But it's not okay to keep crying about it. Educate them or sever the links, but there's only so many times you can come and cry wolf.

If being gay is so fucking bad then be asexual. Don't try to have relationships. But how tired do you think we get reading this crap all the time about how much it sucks to be gay because you're scared?

Well here's the news, being gay doesn't suck. In fact, it's pretty fucking awesome. Your family sucks, your friends suck. You keep making posts like this and I'm going to have to say you suck.

All these sad fuckers coming here thinking they're the best shit since sliced bread telling us the world sucks because we're alive in it. :lol:

well, it's not. i didn't choose my family or to grow up in a neighborhood or a community like this unfortunately.

as for the bolded part, i'm sure there's other online communities outthere that can tell you how much of a pain of an ass i am. believe me, on my 12 years on the internet, i've been a problem on every web forum that i've ever been on and here is no exception. i won't tell you where to go though because i don't want them to know that i'm gay because then i pretty much would be ran off of those forums and some of my people happen to know about my involvement on those forums ..| and no, i'm not trolling or an alias. i'm just being me.
 
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