State Sponsored Homophobia: World Homosexuality Laws

[Kulindahr]

And another thing, all this supposes that the africans were just passive recipiemts of other people's ideas

Not in the least.

But it does presume that the imperial overlords did a good job of pounding in their ideas.

 

[Kulindahr]

Lol. They weren't crazy when they went, it must have been flouride in the water that did it. The price you pay for whiter teeth.

Of course they were crazy, or they would have stayed home and worked to solve the problems there.

 

[Kulindahr]

No, he's implying that the gays were just as persecuted as they are now, and it's not the British' fault. Of course, that ignores the fact that gays weren't really a thing ANYWHERE at the time, yet countries where religious dogma has been replaced with reason and logic have embraced LGBT rights. And the reason for why Africa is mired in religious dogma is very much the British.

There, history lesson done.

But it's got to be because of a certain attitude or such of the religious British, because the French and Portugese and others were also religious. That's why I pin this on the Puritan strain, which was outwardly busy-body almost solely in its British manifestation. That was what put the laws in place, and also why the laws are arguably more symptom than cause: the same religio-cultural imperialism which made that law even acceptable served to drive the whole British Empire.

So it could be said that the problem is not so much the law but the attitude that it's legitimate to use the force of the state to impose religious views behind it which is the problem. Thus for the most part the countries which have those laws have inherited the attitude, though some have escaped, while it's also evident that some few countries lacking that law share the attitude.


BTW, to see the connection between the British Empire and religious imperialism, one need only take note of the concept of "The White Man's Burden". And, looking around, if white men indeed had a burden, it was discharged rather poorly.

 

[Kulindahr]

I shall call for "loaves and fishes."

Random gray-matter connections . . .

I learned a song about "Five Loaves and Two Fishes" from an Eastern Orthodox priest, to whom the miracle of the feeding of the thousands was that a bunch of hard-nosed Semites were actually stirred to share what they were hiding by the example of a child.

I suspect that in Father Rob's opinion, calling for "loaves and fishes" to be taken to Africa would be the Christian route to go, not encouraging madness that shares a heart with the Spanish Inquisition.

 

[blackbeltninja]

But it's got to be because of a certain attitude or such of the religious British, because the French and Portugese and others were also religious.

Not to mention the large amounts of Islam in North and West Africa.

-d-

 

[Kulindahr]

Not to mention the large amounts of Islam in North and West Africa.

-d-

Another example of imperialistic religion.

There's a pattern here.

 

[Alnitak]

I excused myself from the forum for a few days to reflect on this thread.

My apologies to DreamTeam, Kallipolis, TX-Beau, Pat and others for behaving the way I did. While I stand by my perspective on the situation I should have been more civil and said it with a bit more tact than I did.

That being said, there is so much more reporting on the situation I will continue with. Watch this space.

 

[TX-Beau]

No worries here, we've all been there.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^

Yes. Fair enough, Alni.