Survivor 21: Nicaragua

[TaggedGalaxy]

I'm pretty much expecting a Jud win tonight, I won't like it, I would much rather have Holly or Sash win but I doubt that will happen.

 

[altlover85]

I dont get how people complain about how much they hate Chase and love Jud. Chase has pretty much stuck to one side the entire time. He's always been forced into a leadership role whether he has liked it or not. People have always looked to him to make big decisions in the game. It's obvious that he wanted to play an under the radar game but everyone else puts him in the middle of their drama.

Shannon started it on the first day by kinda forcing him into his little woman-hater alliance. He's under a lot of pressure so I can understand him being indecisive at times. Everyone works their little schemes behind his back then pushes him to come forward and be the spokesman.

He had an alliance with Shannon and went back on it, as he did with Brenda, and Jane. I understand why he did it, but he always seemed to align with powerful people who helped him along and then he dumped them, but he never really had an idea for end game.

He doesn't really seem to know what to do once he does make a vote that eliminates a former ally. And not taking Sash could have been a major miscalculation. He didn't have to promise Jud to take him on the reward challenge either.

Jud isn't a genius but at least he knew that Jane was a threat that needed to be gotten rid of before Dan.

 

[slipintothefog]

My thoughts:

Horrible winner.

Horrible fan favorite.

Horrible reunion show.

I wish Chase got one more vote.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Not to toot my own horn but...

that episode one voice-over where Fabio says he doesn't care what they call him because "I'm gonna win the million dollars." No one else so far has had that kind of early voice-over that they always replay at the Reunion show right after coming back from the first commercial break (after the winner is revealed).

Did I call it early on or what? Editing has been really transparent this season. I just knew that the goofball persona some thought would make Fabio a lousy candidate for the money actually underscored a likability factor.

That said, I really didn't want him to win and when Chase -- who was EXCELLENT at the Final Tribal Council -- got 4 votes and it came down to the wire, I was really hoping Pecs would eek out the victory over Hair. I especially loved the way Chase handled Marty's stupid question.

 

[slipintothefog]

I'm actually amazed at how negative Chase's edit was considering he was just one vote away from winning. I knew Sash was getting zero as per spoilers and Jane's finger pointing (can I just say so much at her nasty words for Sash during the FTC), but Chase's edit was so OTTN "this guy is a dumbass who will get to the end and lose horribly" that I was expecting a 9-0 or 8-1 blowout.

The show would have been edited so, SO differently if Kelly Purple or Hoho or somebody threw him that fifth vote. I would have preferred to watch that show.

 

[kingzulu]

its spooooo stupidddd...the show is annnoying the right person almost bnever wins...judd didnt play this game he got playedddd

worst winnner judd

it shoulf have been chas or sash

 

[altlover85]

I'm glad Jud won.

I really don't see the appeal of Chase. He did really well at FTC, better than Jud, but he wasn't much of a comp threat and really didn't put himself in a favorable position.

Frankly whoever decided to vote for Benry over Jud cost Chase the game. Nevermind, the fact that the two girls quit, which affected the game in a negative way for Sash.

I'm really surprised about Jane winning Fan Favorite especially after how she was once she knew she was going home.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I missed the last 20 mins of the Reunion. Can someone tell me what the announcement was from Jeff Probst that is supposed to change the game forever? (I'm already dreading it)

 

[slipintothefog]

I was positive that Jane's psycho edit at the end of the last episode, combined with Jud's tears over his mother, would have cemented that the lonely housewives who watch Survivor were going to hand Jud the fan favorite money. But I guess Jane's golden edit overcame that.

It sounds like I really hate Jane, but I'd like to say that I liked her for about 90% of the season. I am just really, really disappointed with her after getting voted off, and I don't think her words to Sash on the show or Holly in post-show interviews were admirable at all, especially when everybody raves about how "nice" Jane is. I thought it was kind of funny that Marty, Tyrone and Sash were all giving her "Is this bitch for real?" looks while she was talking during the reunion.

Speaking of the reunion, UGH. That was probably the worst ever. Clearly Jimmy J's football buddies, Boston Rob, Chase's guitar and Na'onka's mom are more important than talking to Jill, Yve, Benry, Purple Kelly or Tyrone.

Pepper, the twist next season is that there's a "Redemption Island." Basically, people are voted out and go there. They'll compete against each other and one will win the right to re-enter the game at some point. Everybody knows about it in advance. It's basically the Outcast twist from Sandra's original season on steroids. Apparently they borrowed it from one of the foreign versions of the show.

 

[altlover85]

Speaking of the reunion, UGH. That was probably the worst ever. Clearly Jimmy J's football buddies, Boston Rob, Chase's guitar and Na'onka's mom are more important than talking to Jill, Yve, Benry, Purple Kelly or Tyrone.

I don't know about worst reunion ever, but I was disappointed that we didn't get to hear from everyone in favor of hearing from Na'onka's mom. I didn't mind hearing from Jimmy J's buddies or hearing Chase and Boston Rob's fine with me too.

Benry looked pretty grumpy during the reunion show.

Jill looked pretty and I was surprised since she always seemed more plain Jane too me.

I thought Jud was going to win Fan Favorite too, so i was surprised that Jane ended up taking it. I thought Holly might get it if Jud didn't.

 

[mikeb6452]

Glad Jud won the most boring season to date for me.

Shannon is still a douchebag...glad Probst cut him off and he got no more camera time and the crowd booed him.

Hope next season is more exciting.

 

[coastalGUY]

Great conversation everyone. Regardless of our various likes/dislikes, we are all obviously Survivor addicts!
All fun whether I agree with you all or not. (Other people don't "understand" us, LOL)

Speaking of the reunion, UGH. That was probably the worst ever. Clearly Jimmy J's football buddies, Boston Rob, Chase's guitar and Na'onka's mom are more important than talking to Jill, Yve, Benry, Purple Kelly or Tyrone.

I was also shocked by time spent on these people and no interviews of some actual contestants...especially Benry and Tyrone

 

[Ninja108]

Glad to see the one bigoted douchebag got cut off and didn't get anymore air time. Also glad to see that from now on, those who quit will get the boot from taking part in anything else to do with the show.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Thanks slipintothefog.

 

[altlover85]

And it's especially sickening that they treated Jill the way they did, given the way they fellated Dan Barry during and after Exile Island. Apparently, astronaut = American hero; E.R. doctor = "eh, who gives a shit?" E.R. doctors are about as good of public servants as there are.

I like your idea for the reunion show. Perhaps you should email CBS?

Did Dan Barry play an important part on his season? Jill wasn't edited as doing a whole heck of a lot except helping to find the immunity idol. She was way too close to Marty and I think that really hurt her game and made her less of a player than she could have been.

Jill was not the most exciting player, so I can see why they chose to skip her, even if I think they shouldn't skip anyone.

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

Of the final three Sash played the best game, and Chase had the best FTC performance, but Jud wins...

One of the worst winners IMO.

Chase and Sash explained it perfectly why Jud should NOT win, I didn't expect Chase to get as many votes as he did and I was actually hoping he would surprise us and win the whole thing.

 

[joesman]

I don't know what show you were watching, but for me the best moments were after Jud won final immunity and Sash came with his "you're my best friend out here," and Jud was internally laughing his ass off and it almost broke through his face.

The tribal was brutal for Chase and Sash. Chase got his balls kicked and didn't get up his steam until his final statement which was kind of good and made the points he wanted to make succinctly.

Sash completely kept putting his foot in his ass and couldn't muster the ability to counter the tough statements and questions. Obviously sash was hated by a lot of these players.

I was ecstatic that Jane won FF. She deserved it.

I am so happy that Jud won.

Chase definitely has a future in Country Music. He is a talented writer, singer and guitar player, and he is a damn fine looking man.

Shannon is a mindless mouth.

Sorry to all you folks who were disappointed but I really enjoyed the whole season, the players and this community in discussing it. We may not agree but at least we were civil to each other.

The next season of Russell Island should be fun if I don't have to see too much of RH, or BR even though rob is a hell of a lot easier to take for me.

Knowing the spoilers from the Brenda oust forward also make it a lot of fun to see how the survivors were going to play it. It was especially true in the last 2 IC that looked like Jud would not win but he pulled them off. Yes, I think Jud played an especially good game. It is social, physical and he played that really well.

Yes, I would rather have heard from the players than about BR's baby. Or having those seconds that I had to look at RH.

Alina is an exceptionally beautiful woman. Glad Brenda gave the reason Sash didn't give her the idol, and still think, if she knew, that she should have tried to scramble a little.

Holly looked amazing at the Reunion. The Reunion was only good when the winner was announced and when Jane won the FF.

Hope to see you guys further down the road. Thanks for the great posts, the comraderie, and to Slip for the great analogies from this season and seasons Past.

 

[Aratron]

Isn't it funny that a lot of people cheered Russell for being dominant and didn't like Sandra because she ''didn't do anything'' but praise Fabio and don't really care for Chase or Sash?

 

[slipintothefog]

Hope to see you guys further down the road. Thanks for the great posts, the comraderie, and to Slip for the great analogies from this season and seasons Past.

Thank YOU!

I'm still patiently waiting for the final votes to be revealed.

And yeah, the double standard between Natalie/Sandra and Jud is not lost on me. Though really that's an insult to Natalie and Sandra, because they had a strategy that didn't require them to win three immunities in a row just to make it to the end, and they were actually aware of most of the votes in their seasons. I think that's what Hoho was trying to show the jury in her question to Jud, hence why I'm waiting to see her vote.

 

[Callum]

I really want a non-tropical season of Survivor.

I've been saying this since I was 12 in 2002 though...