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Survivor 25: Philippines

I think the reason Lisa won fan fav over Malcolm was her screen time. She got far more dr sessions than anyone else and always came off as a confused Christian not knowing if what she was doing was right or wrong, always conflicted and not really taking the big step even though she kept saying she had to make a big move. I didn't see that she ever did.

I understand Malcolm being upset at tribal because he had just been booted and didn't have a few days to simmer down like Penner should have done. I know the final 5 were all afraid of Malcolm and they should have been - but truthfully when Jeff asked for a show of hands on who would have voted for Malcolm didn't hold up for me because I believe they would have voted for him in the final 3. The guy was an immaculate player, one of my all time favorites.
 
I notice a lot of posts from 12/17. I could not get onto this site at all on the 16th and 17th.
 
joesman said:
I think the reason Lisa won fan fav over Malcolm was her screen time. She got far more dr sessions than anyone else and always came off as a confused Christian not knowing if what she was doing was right or wrong, always conflicted and not really taking the big step even though she kept saying she had to make a big move. I didn't see that she ever did.

I understand Malcolm being upset at tribal because he had just been booted and didn't have a few days to simmer down like Penner should have done. I know the final 5 were all afraid of Malcolm and they should have been - but truthfully when Jeff asked for a show of hands on who would have voted for Malcolm didn't hold up for me because I believe they would have voted for him in the final 3. The guy was an immaculate player, one of my all time favorites.
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IMHO, Lisa won fan fave because of her Christianity and "The Facts of Life". CBS has an older demographic and that criteria (mainstream religion and wholesome retro TV) subscribes directly to them.
 
joesman said:
I notice a lot of posts from 12/17. I could not get onto this site at all on the 16th and 17th.
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I tried posting right after the finale and couldn't get on the site at all that night. I think JUB was down or something. I was only able to post the next day.
 
And a last word about Malcolm even though Sgt. Pepper was losing his clothes every Wed. night over him - what an incredibly hot man, and not only his looks but his personality and his inner beauty in working with kids. Love the guy.
 
joesman said:
And a last word about Malcolm even though Sgt. Pepper was losing his clothes every Wed. night over him - what an incredibly hot man, and not only his looks but his personality and his inner beauty in working with kids. Love the guy.
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Yeah. But I kept my clothes firmly ON during the finale when he acted like a big DOUCHE to Denise at the Final TC. I still like the guy, but that was the most disappointing part of an otherwise great season for me.
 
Penner at FTC was really disappointing to me but I'm glad Lisa handled him with tact. And honestly I'm surprised she beat Malcolm for fan fave - confessional counts up to the finale on Sucks showed that Lisa and Malcolm's edits were equally big, and Malcolm is an attractive young man who is good at challenges, which is like the stereotypical fan fave winner. Glad she won it though because she's adorable, shaped the season and it seems like she really changed from being on Survivor after escaping her marriage to a hardcore conservative Christian.

Sidenote: I think that Denise is now the oldest woman to win Survivor. Before her, it was Tina, who played when she was 39 and won when she was 40. Crazy.
 
slipintothefog said:
Sidenote: I think that Denise is now the oldest woman to win Survivor. Before her, it was Tina, who played when she was 39 and won when she was 40. Crazy.
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Even crazier is that Tina seemed way older than 39 in my memory...older than Denise is now! But then I was such a tyke when Survivor premiered, every adult must've seemed old LOL.
 
Denise won... I wanted Lisa to win but oh well! Nice season all in all! Survivor has been a great show to watch this season for me.

Edit >> Glad Lisa won the fan award though :-)
 
Sgt Pepper said:
Even crazier is that Tina seemed way older than 39 in my memory...older than Denise is now! But then I was such a tyke when Survivor premiered, every adult must've seemed old LOL.
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It probably didn't help that the elements beat Tina down into a withered sea hag by the end of Australia, and she also seemed pretty desperate to appear younger what with the giant fake tits.
 
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slipintothefog said:
It probably didn't help that the elements beat Tina down into a withered sea hag by the end of Australia, and she also seemed pretty desperate to appear younger what with the giant fake tits.
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hahaha I watched Tina's 2 seasons and her chest made no impression. Just Googled pix and, yep, she wasn't flat. ;)
 
slipintothefog said:
It probably didn't help that the elements beat Tina down into a withered sea hag by the end of Australia, and she also seemed pretty desperate to appear younger what with the giant fake tits.
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Just curious, were you rooting for Colby out of that F2? Cuz even though he's the Probst-approved contender I usually loathe, I found him harmless and utterly likable (it didn't hurt that he was HAWT back then -- he was one of the shirtless TV men who helped me figure out I was gay). For me, Colby on Survivor was like Janelle on BB. Neither of them had any game whatsoever but I rooted for them.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
Just curious, were you rooting for Colby out of that F2? Cuz even though he's the Probst-approved contender I usually loathe, I found him harmless and utterly likable (it didn't hurt that he was HAWT back then -- he was one of the shirtless TV men who helped me figure out I was gay). For me, Colby on Survivor was like Janelle on BB. Neither of them had any game whatsoever but I rooted for them.
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Australia was probably one of the seasons that I was least invested in as it aired live. I lost interest a LOT after the merge but if I recall correctly I was rooting for Elisabitch Hasselback for the second half of the season because Colleen was my favorite of Borneo and Elisabeth filled the same cute sweetheart role. When I rewatched Australia in 2009 I honestly hated the self-righteousness of Tina's entire alliance and liked Jerri the most. Entertainment-wise, the season died once she got voted out because it proceeded to be Tina and Colby casually villainizing the people who didn't fit their ideal imagery of what a good person was, including Amber who was totally fluff at the time and Keith who couldn't be more of a middle of the road dude. I'm pretty sure that I saw the finale live and I think I preferred Tina winning out of that final two but rewatching it as an adult, the entire final four or five or Australia was a total wash to me.

Jerri's reputation as one of Survivor's biggest villains ever is so smoke and mirrors because at worst she was a bit annoying to other people but I liked that she played the role of the first Black Widow of Survivor and wouldn't have any problems cutting Colby's throat to get further in the game if it were necessary for her, although she never got the opportunity. A lot of women on Survivor and BB wouldn't do the same to their men and for that I really applaud Jerri. Tina, Colby, Elisabeth and Rodger were all really inert, boring people on their own and most of the entertainment of Australia came from most of them melting down everytime Jerri glanced at them from afar the wrong way and stuff like that. Actually, I kind of hate Tina to this day because she's still a moralizing shrew who hates on Jerri and Amber for not being good people. It's like, get over it already bitch.
 
Also the smug Denise face/shrug was by far the funniest thing about her:

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I probably need to rewatch that season. Again, all my impressions are from its original airing when I was very young and very...impressionable?

I do remember hating Tina and loving Jerri (TOTALLY with you on everything you said about the first Black Widow) and I do know that subsequent Colby appearances -- and Probst's fawning over him -- made me question whether I'd still like him if I rewatched that season with my current sensibilities. I'm afraid he might be like Kaysar on BB i.e. someone I found attractive/likable during their season but who was revealed to be self-righteous and boring in retrospect.

I'm proud to say I never cared for that Hasselbeck thing.
 
I'm fairly sure that I hated Colby back in the day but over the years, as a Jerri enthusiast, I've come to appreciate Colby more due to their epic three-season rivalry (and I hate that Heroes vs. Villains kind of glossed over their reconciliation). I also find it interesting that Colby's become a worse and worse player with each time he's returned but Jerri's actually become a smarter and smarter player. She could have done well in All-Stars if Lex and Kathy weren't totally out of their minds to keep Amber over Jerri, and her Heroes vs. Villains game was pretty good IMO. Actually as much as I love Sandra, I kind of wish Jerri won the last immunity so she could have had a chance to get the win herself. Her winning HvV and getting a hero edit like Sandra did would have been mind-blowingly awesome considering she was so hated during Australia and got booed off the stage at the All-Stars reunion despite trying to play nice that season.

P.S. A lot of Colby's challenge dominance in Australia was pretty overstated, much like Janelle's in BBAS. Colby in the second half of the game was going up against a bunch of malnourished women and middle-aged men, and even then most of the challenges he won were not even physical in nature. That's probably why there's such disparity between Colby's performances in Australia vs. ASS/HvV.
 
Re: Australian Outback, I wasn't a Tina fan but it was jerri who made me appreciate Tina's game. Jerri said (in a confessional) something to the effect that "if Tina convinced Colby to take Tina and NOT Keith to the final, then all credit to her". That kind of influence (and loyalty) you still see 20+ seasons later with the likes of Denise and Kim (the previous champ). It's an underrated "Survivor" quality, IMHO. I just wish that future players realize that once you start feeling that way for another castaway that it was time to vote them out!!!
 
Well I m glad of the outcome even tho I dont understand Abi voting for Denise ?? WTF ???

Also Skupin his better on the show than 6 months after
But Penner was A DILF a the reunion show
 
Re: Jerri and Tina. It's actually a Christmas miracle that Tina won Australia because she won 4-3, Jerri was the deciding vote and Tina still took multiple self-righteous jabs at Jerri during FTC including slamming Jerri during her own question. She REALLY lucked out that Jerri was bitter over Colby betraying their alliance that she wanted to vote against him in the end.
 
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