Survivor Samoa

[falconfan]

Oh I totally agree, Mick is cute, and so far seems like the most attractive guy there. But I'm withholding saying more about him until his personality reveals itself because the last time I tried to support a pretty physician on this show (Marcus), he ended up being a total douchebag.

Also thus far, I enjoy everyone who's in this thread. I hope you all stick around for the whole season.

Well he was one of the people who voted to evict Ashley so that could be a good sign.

 

[slipintothefog]

That was a pretty damn boring premiere. The nadir was Probst already being a douche and saying that the purple trible were "definitely the underdogs" because they lost the first reward challenge by like three seconds. I was getting Coach-like "I'm going to hog all of the screentime" vibes from the yellow tribe's Russell, but... that's really okay with me. Not many people are interesting right now, so let him stir up some drama until they boot his ass. I'm really not a fan of the bloated 20-person casts.

 

[Zingerific]

The nadir was Probst already being a douche and saying that the purple trible were "definitely the underdogs" because they lost the first reward challenge by like three seconds.

The problem with calling any one thing Probst's nadir is that it assumes that he has had something other than low points. But you're right, his ominous, portentous prognostications of doom are ridiculous.

Creating chaos could be a good technique but only if you're smooth enough to play it off and this dude clearly isn't.

"Not smooth" is very kind. The guy is virtually twirling his mustache and swirling his cape, all while tying his "dumb bitches" to the railroad tracks while cackling maniacally.

 

[LiquidSky]

I'm looking forward to it. Ben is a cutie!!

Ugh! I want to take that back. He seems like a total twat. Yuck!

 

[slipintothefog]

The problem with calling any one thing Probst's nadir is that it assumes that he has had something other than low points.

Yeah, I meant it was the low point of the premiere. Probst is consistently awful, but declaring the purple tribe the "underdogs" had me rolling my eyes after they weren't that far behind for most of the challenge and Shambo came very close to pulling off the win against Liz at the end. Not the mention the challenge basically came down to a guessing game as far as knowing who would be the best tribemate to pick for each leg. Ugh.

 

[Zingerific]

I'd like to add that we really need a non-tropical/equatorial version of Survivor. Why can't they head to Northern Canada in the summer or something?

Good idea. The Klondike wouldn't be bad. Whoever pans the most gold gets fire. Anyway, Probst is totally the type to have had a huge teenage crush on Jack London, so it's perfect.

 

[aijalon18]

Shambo reminds me of the Large Marge from Pee Wee's big adventure. She a frightening "woman". Somoa looks so beautiful.

 

[slipintothefog]

Chenbot > Probst

Chenbot was awesome this year, I must say. Too bad there's no chance for pregnancy hormones to make Probst stop acting like a dumbass for a season of Survivor.

 

[Aratron]

So...the premiere wasn't bad. I understand that Russell is to be the 'villain' this season but I just can't see it happening. Mick was eyeing him for the majority of the show and he seems to be a rather observant man. We all know that - for the most part - in reality shows the observant ones are the people who truly fuck shit up in the end, or at minimum are excellent players. The producers are likely editing Russell to make him appear villainous...but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else is.

EDIT: I'd like to add that we really need a non-tropical/equatorial version of Survivor. Why can't they head to Northern Canada in the summer or something?

I think it's obvious Russell is going to be the biggest villain this season. He is even rumored to be on Season 20

There's a deleted scene of Russell H on EW, where he states that he was pissed off with Galu's gloating after their IC win, and he states "Now, if I do a challenge, and one of those little girls is in my way, they're gonna get hurt. You're gonna have to take 'em off in a helicopter, cause I'm gonna break a bone. I'm gonna hit 'em so hard, I don't care who it is."

 

[lbMaine]

I agree, Ohiospeedo, most of the guys are in their underwear!! WOO HOO!

 

[Bidude117]

^^ I'd rather NOT see Russell in his underwear, thank you very much. Russell and Mike both need to keep their shirts ON!

AMEN! America should vote "Which castaway would you like for them to keep their shirt ON?"

Probst: Russell, America has voted that you can no longer go shirtless while on the island.

Russell: Oh yeah, since I'm all evil and shit, let me plan a way to vote out America from this game.

 

[slipintothefog]

Is Mike that one guy who commented on how "Afro-Americans aren't good swimmers" before Jaison kicked ass in the swimming leg of the challenge?

 

[falconfan]

Is Mike that one guy who commented on how "Afro-Americans aren't good swimmers" before Jaison kicked ass in the swimming leg of the challenge?

Correct. I'm hoping his appearing randomly throughout the episode to add nothing of importance is a sign of his early departure. And it will be welcomed.

 

[Aratron]

Come on guys, you're taking this out of proportion. I think you're confusing racism with stereotype

 

[Morticae]

Come on guys, you're taking this out of proportion. I think you're confusing racism with stereotype

No, no. I remember this from last season. Nik2 loves to pull out the race card.

 

[Aratron]

^^ Are you kidding? Stereotyping people based on race is -- wait for it -- racist. And no I don't think we're "blowing it out of proportion" to call it when we see it. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a person of color and have to hear this kind of reductive racist crap from people like Mike.

Now it doesn't mean that all racist people are horrible in every single way and totally evil etc. But it does mean they're RACIST, and we shouldn't obfuscate that with false semantics. "It's not racism, it's just stereotyping?" WTF is that?

Racism:
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Stereotype:

Sociology. a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group: The cowboy and Indian are American stereotypes.


Do you consider Erika a racist then?

 

[Aratron]

Besides, he didn't even say ''Afro-Americans aren't very good swimmers'', he said ''Afro-Americans aren't known for being very good swimmers''

 

[falconfan]

Racism:
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Stereotype:

Sociology. a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group: The cowboy and Indian are American stereotypes.


Do you consider Erika a racist then?

Oh for the love of God. Under what rational is making a blanket statement about AN ENTIRE RACE not RACISM. Like this wasn't even vague. This is like trying to say things Archie Bunker says aren't racist just stereotypical. You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a racist or at the very least to say racist things. And it's really an extremely confusing aspect of Survivor to me. They always go to great lengths to point out, if not to coax out racial influences in their show but then they don't do anything with them or about them once they've been made evident.... it's odd.


But anyone I have some definitions for you too. (Source: Dictionary.com)

rac⋅ism

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–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

 

[falconfan]

Besides, he didn't even say ''Afro-Americans aren't very good swimmers'', he said ''Afro-Americans aren't known for being very good swimmers''

Really? Because he also said he was SURPRISED Jaison did well implying that he too assumed based on racial stereotypes that he'd be a poor swimmer.

 

[Zingerific]

only in America

Maybe you could expound on this, because I'm sure you don't mean to imply that racism is a uniquely American phenomena, right?

how can anyone deny that is racist???

Well, obfuscation works, as does rationalization, fallacious reasoning, stuborness, and good old fashioned foolishness.

In other words, if you say "Afro-Americans aren't known to be good swimmers" then you're saying that an inability to swim is characteristic of that race group. Which is the definition of racism according to Oxford.

To split hairs, I think the phrase, taken in isolation, could be construed as a mere empirical claim: it's just a statement that said belief is widespread. Taken in context (and idiomatically), however, anyone who was watching would conclude that Mike wholeheartedly endorses that point of view -- his implication was that it was unwise for Mick to choose Jaison, because that widespread belief was true.