Tell me more about Andreus

[Sex Kitten]

I don't know. Were you also a photographer, BostonKittenThanos? If that is your real name?











Seriously I may sprain my eyeballs from all the rolling.

I have nothing to do with either of them.
The similarities between me and Andreus are just coincidence,and my interest in all this may seem weird,and it is weird actually,but be sure that it's nothing but an interest.
However,one will believe in what he wants to so I won't insist.

 

[Sex Kitten]

^He's teasing, Enchanted.

Guess so,but nevermind.
Not that I would care if the people on here are misunderstanding me or accusing me of being Andrew,but why giving them a reason to?So guess I should just forget about this topic.After all,not that I can't survive without this mystery being resolved.

 

[backagain]

Holy Cow.
The rising of the dead.

 

[frankfrank]

Ok i admit it, you caught me, I am Andreus.

You are NOT!! You are MY sock-puppet! You have no mind of your own, I have complete control. Move on, people, move on. Nothing to see here.

BostonPirate has been remarkable busy with Thanksgiving at his husbands house.

Referring to himself in the third person. OH MY GOD...BostonPirate is LilBit's sock puppet!

 

[frankfrank]

phonies who post pictures have gotten exposed as frauds 100% of the time.

Correction: The frauds who actually got busted for being photo-impostors, were exposed as frauds 100% of the time. (Great tautology here, haha.) However, nobody can ever know who or how many others got away without being exposed.

^That's the point, Corny. It seems like you guys always catch the frauds. It also seems to me that you'd have caught Andreus, if he had been a fake.

You do know your computers. I bet you have caught many fakes over the years.

However, with the "tineye.com" website (I think that's what it's called, where you can upload a picture, and it will search the internet for photo matches or near-matches), I think it's easier to catch fraudsters than if was 6 or 10 years ago.

 

[justaguy]

However, with the "tineye.com" website (I think that's what it's called, where you can upload a picture, and it will search the internet for photo matches or near-matches), I think it's easier to catch fraudsters than if was 6 or 10 years ago.

Although a bit of photoshopping should be able to by-pass that, I would think. (if it was someone's intention to use another persons pics.)

 

[bankside]

As tineye did not exist until 2008, it is unlikely that someone would have taken the trouble to doctor a stolen photo in anticipation of automated image search in the years before its release.

Keep trying though; this has settled into being very amusing.

 

[justaguy]

As tineye did not exist until 2008, it is unlikely that someone would have taken the trouble to doctor a stolen photo in anticipation of automated image search in the years before its release.

Keep trying though; this has settled into being very amusing.

I actually have no issues with any photos. Photos that people saw might be of the person posting as Andreus, or of a real person called Andreus. And there really might be an Andreus.

My issue is with the story. Do you not find it odd that someone who was a bodyguard in Iraq, knew 6 languages, was an interpreter, was active in charities, was often seen out and about in bars around Boston, and therefore must have known heaps of people in the flesh, had 4 people as contacts, at least 2 of which were people on an online chat room which he had never met? And then that contact list never came into practice, as those people were never informed when Andreus disappeared, or indeed directly, when Mitri returned, as far as I recall. It seemed to me that Mitri had enough knowledge and skill (reading his posts) to get to a computer somewhere to post something to the contacts sometime within that year or so of disappearance, which he must have known about.

Perhaps my logic is flawed there, but that's just one thing anyway to add to a long list, and there's too many of these little things that don't quite gel for me now. That's why I am sceptical. Prior to that I was a huge believer, and if you look back at some of the threads during his illness, and so on, you will see that. Quite frankly I'm not surprised Corny didn't mention his concerns at the time, because he would have been lynched. But I need something to sway my thinking back into your camp. I'm sceptical, but not ruling out the possibility that the incredible story of Andreus is true.

 

[bankside]

I once left a city with reasons not to leave a forwarding address. I had a very unpleasant relative who, though I was not moving to get away from him, I certainly availed myself of the opportunity to pare that connection. In a different city, I neglected my former social circles entirely as I was preoccupied with a new relationship, a new job, and a very busy time in my life. I slipped back into that city a few times for one errand or another and never told any one of the dozens of people I knew there. After a while, I determined not to neglect my old acquaintances, and thanks to Facebook I had the option to reach out to them.

But I had to wait both to be ready, and since I moved before Facebook was available, I had to wait for technology to put it in my lap. And if I had died of starvation and untreated HIV before that happened, no one would have known except maybe a couple of family members and they would not have been inclined to contact people I knew, even if they knew how.

I think people have disruptions in their personal connections more frequently than we might imagine. Mine was partly chosen, partly circumstance, partly good luck, and partly regret.

Andreus had awkward family relationships and volatile social connections before the immediate events preceding his alleged death. Given that fact, I can't see how it would have played out any other way.

As for the remarkable events of his life, do you not ever creep on people you used to know? Ask where are they now? I do from time to time, and some people I know have gone through some remarkable adventures in life, in far-away lands. Unusual accomplishments are actually not all that unusual. And speaking six languages is pretty ordinary in many parts of the world.

He was an interesting person with a bit of a bombastic ego. I don't doubt he embellished the basic narrative of his life if it allowed him to focus the attention he adored in a certain way. But I also have no reason to doubt that we got the basic narrative of his life. An interesting person, a sharp-witted ego compensating for a few insecurities, and stubbornness that leads to pointless self-destruction.

If you'd like a different case of stubbornness leading to pointless self-destruction, one that was widely reported in the media, google Jeremy Gillizer.

It's not that the little things actually gel in my mind whereas they don't for others. It's that the big picture gels in my mind.

 

[Saybrooke]

This is such a long thread! I'm sorry I didn't know him!

 

[justaguy]

Bankside,
I just wanted to thank you for sharing that. You know I mean no offence, I hope. I never do. I have a tendency to have strong views on occasion, as I do with this because of something that happened previously mostly. And sometimes anyone can say stuff without realising what impact it may be having on others. HIV is an issue that affects all of us, in some way.

So let's concentrate on us, the living. What do you reckon? This is silly, isn't it? We've got our views and I can't see either of them being changed by each other. I can tell that Andreus meant a lot to you, and that's what counts the most, regardless of my opinion. Good luck mate!

Sincerely,
A fellow gay guy from New Zealand.

But I had to wait both to be ready, and since I moved before Facebook was available, I had to wait for technology to put it in my lap. And if I had died of starvation and untreated HIV before that happened, no one would have known except maybe a couple of family members and they would not have been inclined to contact people I knew, even if they knew how.

 

[bankside]

It is not personal affection for Andreus that motivates my views on this. To be honest I found him annoying enough that when balanced against his interestingness it was just about break even. And you could convince me to change my mind. I just don't see a pattern coming convincingly to light based on the posts so far.

Corny's suspicions have piqued my interest as he has technical access to learn a bit more about posters in the JUB community. But even then, I don't understand the point in saying what amounts to "I never accuse unless I'm sure, but I'm glad to sow doubt by venting my suspicions. But I certainly wouldn't accuse. Not me."

This thread is a strange way to address the passing of someone who is recalled in the Garden of Memories. I would find it very strange if I popped my clogs only to have not just my death but my reality debated on the Internet. I am not in any way made personally distraught by this speculation. But I will point out that manners would usually preclude this kind of speculation lest it give offence to those who do feel the loss personally. Barring any definitive evidence of course, in which case no one has experienced a loss. But that's a hell of a big assumption to make to let it rest on "what if" and "I have a hunch" and "something doesn't seem quite right."

 

[star-warrior]

Actually, back then, I had several pieces of evidence and was just waiting for him to make another mistake. Even after his death, I stumbled over two more things that didn't add up. But I saw this as over. Until this started now again. And now, some of the stuff being said right now, doesn't add up either. But I only expose people when I'm a 100% sure and when I have proof. Something that you should have learned from a past debacle.

Fakers are worse than trolls, at least trolls are up front with their trollery. Fakers weave a mesh of lies, and when they've taken in some of the people they've engaged their conceit in, and the whole deck of cards is toppled and the lie uncovered, you're left with people feeling betrayal for have been taken in for a fool. JUB's had its share of them, we both know how much we've discussed the approach to exposing them and the anguish that such mod declaration brings knowing full well some folks will be hurt by it all.

 

[Corny]

Corny's suspicions have piqued my interest as he has technical access to learn a bit more about posters in the JUB community. But even then, I don't understand the point in saying what amounts to "I never accuse unless I'm sure, but I'm glad to sow doubt by venting my suspicions. But I certainly wouldn't accuse. Not me."

It has been voiced here and some people were a bit rough on the doubters. Other people doubted credibility of other posters "because they weren't there" or similar. So my post is to be seen as from someone who was surely there and who surely was quite "in the picture" back then. If I were sure, I'd have changed the user status and posted a thread about it. But I've never been and let it rest. This came back up now, mainly from people who have a connection to the whole drama. But all evidence aside, what made *me* suspicious is that basically every character and his story in this story is like right out of a soap opera script. And now this dramatization and mystification .. yeah right. Maybe Christianity started similar a few thousands years ago

 

[Telstra]

It has been voiced here and some people were a bit rough on the doubters. Other people doubted credibility of other posters "because they weren't there" or similar. So my post is to be seen as from someone who was surely there and who surely was quite "in the picture" back then. If I were sure, I'd have changed the user status and posted a thread about it. But I've never been and let it rest. This came back up now, mainly from people who have a connection to the whole drama. But all evidence aside, what made *me* suspicious is that basically every character and his story in this story is like right out of a soap opera script. And now this dramatization and mystification .. yeah right. Maybe Christianity started similar a few thousands years ago

What you are saying is dreu is Jesus LOL

 

[purina]

Maybe he's saying Jesus was a sock puppet.

 

[bankside]

I agree, Star-warrior. Fakers can do the most extreme damage. I got burnt very badly by a man we'll call "Outsider".

Outsider posted pictures of a good-looking young man with a tortured soul. I sensed that this man may have suicidal tendencies, and wanted to help him before anything tragic happened. Indeed, during private email communication I'd had with him, he sent me pictures of "himself" slashing his wrists.

All of this made it seem even more tragic that no one believed him. "How cruel these guys are", I thought."Here is a man whose life in danger, and they're adding insult to injury by denying him the basic dignity of an identity". I saw their attitude as cruelty to point of bullying.

Things got really really ugly. I have never seen so much drama on JUB before or since, and I'm afraid that I let my concern for him color my own judgment. We all exchanged some very harsh words. Mr. Outsider created a tsunami. One Moderator quit over it, if I recall correctly.

You can imagine my abject humiliation when someone proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pics were fake. I wasn't the only victim by far. JUB as a whole developed a fissure in it that created a shock wave that reached back for years.

I'm sorry to hear that; I had no idea.

Nonetheless I think you took the correct attitude until it was demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt. Imagine the reverse situation if you had dismissed someone who was reaching out to you over what later proved to be baseless suspicions.

 

[rareboy]

I agree, Star-warrior. Fakers can do the most extreme damage. I got burnt very badly by a man we'll call "Outsider".

Outsider posted pictures of a good-looking young man with a tortured soul. I sensed that this man may have suicidal tendencies, and wanted to help him before anything tragic happened. Indeed, during private email communication I'd had with him, he sent me pictures of "himself" slashing his wrists.

All of this made it seem even more tragic that no one believed him. "How cruel these guys are", I thought."Here is a man whose life in danger, and they're adding insult to injury by denying him the basic dignity of an identity". I saw their attitude as cruelty to point of bullying.

Things got really really ugly. I have never seen so much drama on JUB before or since, and I'm afraid that I let my concern for him color my own judgment. We all exchanged some very harsh words. Mr. Outsider created a tsunami. One Moderator quit over it, if I recall correctly.

You can imagine my abject humiliation when someone proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pics were fake. I wasn't the only victim by far. JUB as a whole developed a fissure in it that created a shock wave that reached back for years.

So I agree with you--fakers do the absolute worst damage.

I don't know if Andreus was a fake, but if he was, consider this: how much controversy has he caused here and now, in this very thread? The thread's gone on for seven or eight pages now.

Ah yes.

I hope that everyone has recovered from this period.

I felt so bad for a number people during this period of time. It was too bad that so many posters had their faith in the fellow posters so damaged. It became a relentless game setting the trap for this guy...but at the end of the day...got the fucker.

 

[justaguy]

Ah yes.

I hope that everyone has recovered from this period.

I felt so bad for a number people during this period of time. It was too bad that so many posters had their faith in the fellow posters so damaged. It became a relentless game setting the trap for this guy...but at the end of the day...got the fucker.

Rareboy, you're usually not slow on coming forward. Where do you stand on this current situation then? Are you getting a prickly bottom sitting on the fence?

 

[rareboy]

This will sound like blasphemy to people on either side of the fence, but I honestly didn't find Andreus...or his story....or his arguments all that interesting and to be totally honest....I more or less ignored the entire thing.

I never had either an emotional or intellectual connection to this avatar. He might have been everything that many people say he was. He might have been an opportunistic poseur... I'll never know. Because we never exchanged more than a passing acknowledgement of one another.

I think I came in too late in the unfolding saga to form any opinion.

Of course, as everyone knows, I loathe any dishonesty, inconsistencies or loose ends...if it seems that others could be hurt in any way by a fraudulent persona, then I will not rest until they are bowed and cowed.

If an avatar only enriches and enlivens those around them, then I could care less if they are as fake as a Modligiani by Elmer de Hory or a book about Howard Hughes by Clifford Irving.

So which is Andreus?

Who knows. Maybe Corny will share his info with me. Maybe I'll put my CSI JUB team on it.

Or maybe...at the end of the day...it is just a case of a man was born, he lived and he died.