Tell me more about Andreus

[HoodedRat]

From what I'm seeing in this thread several people always thought things about Andreus didn't add up, and were often herd-silenced about it back when Andreus was a comet in the forums.

Not several ... more like dozens.

Even before the ludicrous Kahil relationship thing dominated the forum for months on end, many of us were either suspicious or were utterly convinced that Andreus was a total fraud playing the forum for his own amusement, and thus not really worth bothering to take seriously.

Most of those people, many of them part of the old uppity Brit crowd, are long gone but, to be honest, when I made my first post (#2) in this thread I actually expected loads of people to support me and say they knew it all along. Several did, privately in comments (thank you).

I think many of Andreus's fanboys were probably completely unaware how thoroughly unpleasant he could be via comment and PMs. He frequently played 'the race' and 'religion' cards whenever it suited him, threatening to report people to the mods and crying 'foul' at the drop of a hat. It was often in PMs that he let his mask slip, forgot to stay in character, and thus gave himself away.

By the time he started posting as his brother Mitri (supposedly whilst Andreus was dying) the whole thing seemed to have turned into a rather sick joke. Many of us had completly given up on taking anything he said seriously, and pretty much just ignored him.

Then when he 'died' and Mitri carried on posting, occasionally dropping character and sounding alarmingly like Andreus', the whole thing seemed so ridiculous that I just assumed most other Jubbers were simply playing along and humouring him.


When Enchanted started this thread I just assumed that he was another Andreus-related puppet, so I thought fuck it ... I will say what I think. It was almost laughable that the very next post was by BostonPirate who, once again, many already considered part of this whole silly little fraud.

Personally, if this thread had not been started I would not have brought it up ... it all happened years ago, most of the people involved have long since moved on. I would guess that Andreus and his pathetic childish games are pretty much irrelevant to most current Jubbers.


Having said all that, it has been utterly fascinating to see how this thread has panned out. I hope it it stays open so that any new info can be added if and when it is discovered.

 

[bankside]

The only grain of insight so far has been the recent login to Andreus' account. Everything else has been rather base and distasteful speculation about a JUB member otherwise understood to be a deceased person, and above all I'm surprised the thread continued after the second post, unless moderators were in possession of actual evidence instead of speculation and insinuation of their own. Not one of the "aha!" moments in this thread is inconsistent with what should actually be expected from the posting history of an eccentric but real poster. I don't see why it is more plausible that a boring person would pretend to be an eccentric while posting on the Internet, compared to the possibility of an eccentric person posting on the Internet.

What there has been far too little of in this thread is people prepared to reserve judgement. I'm honestly astonished at how people will pile on to innuendo and pretend it is substantive. I didn't have any affinity for Andreus but it still seems to me that he is entitled to more than the gong show on display here. If we had been forced into a boat made of the logic in this thread, we'd be down there with the titanic by now given all the gaps.

The first and only thing that rises above a hunch (which to my knowlege has never before been sufficient to disparage another member given the code of conduct) is the recent activity date. And even that is not conclusive; just google Mat Honan.

 

[Ram]

The thread title is "Tell me more about Andreus". I think we all have fulfilled the "more" part very well and have gone beyond that. Can we put a lock on this thread?

 

[blackbeltninja]

The only grain of insight so far has been the recent login to Andreus' account. Everything else has been rather base and distasteful speculation about a JUB member otherwise understood to be a deceased person, and above all I'm surprised the thread continued after the second post, unless moderators were in possession of actual evidence instead of speculation and insinuation of their own.

Well... in all honesty, why shouldn't it have continued? It may indeed be in poor taste, but that is entirely subjective and is not against the CoC anyway.

Given the amount of posts and the volume of input, tasteful or not, I'd say closing the thread would be in incredibly poor form. It has clearly resonated with numerous members here; to deny the right to discussion simply because some find the member in question to be something of a sacred cow would be a massive application of double standards, given how other members are dragged through the mud from time to time when they do or say something some deem questionable.

I think this type of discussion would be in exceptionally poor taste had this all come up now for the first time - still not against the CoC, I don't think, but probably entirely unnecessary and not something I could willingly or easily participate in. However, as has been pointed out several times, the similarities between Andreus the member as presented and Andreus the man is something which has been considered by a good number of JUBbers for most of the existence of this forum as we know it; this is hardly some new slander. Now is as good a time as any to get to the bottom of it, if indeed we can.

Death may well be The Leveller, but I'm mindful of the old adage that gone does not equal forgotten.

-d-

 

[bankside]

I don't begrudge anyone the right to raise the question: was he real? But given that it raises questions about a poster's motivation, ethics and integrity, it is best handled with the mods. If they can shed light on a history of falsehood, as with other posters and sock puppets, then a "mod decision thread" can be posted explaining the outcome, as with permabans or removal of sock puppets, impersonation using other people's photos, etc.

 

[zoltanspawn]

That some members are confusing their speculations with substantive fact does not mean all members or most are. (And shame on those who are confusing their hypotheses with fact.) I keep seeing people use the word "if" in this thread.

Given the gravity of the accusation, I think it's entirely natural to consider the possibilities. This isn't merely a question of uncovering a charismatic fake (if that's what Andreus was). It's a question of uncovering someone who faked their own death. I consider that a serious betrayal.

I do wish there was enough evidence--to the contrary of these speculations--that would put the concern to rest.

 

[rareboy]

No, jag's post came in between - my line was referring to ozguy throwing peto_antoni into the conspiracy mix.

ah my misunderstanding, then....

 

[sixthson]

I don't put much stock in Andreus' account activity because a few months ago, dpnice's name appeared as a visitor to my blog and he has not been here for a long time. In fact, many believe he is deceased. Couldn't it just be some kind of glitch that showed activity.

 

[sixthson]

Peto_Antoni ..... who remembers him?? Seem to recall a fair bit of drama on the boards when he was posting. Hmmmmm, I wonder ...........

Oh gosh, good old Peto, Croynan's favorite nemesis. Any time Peto posted, I knew Croynan would soon be on his tail. Now that was entertainment.
I remember being unkind to Peto one time in a post. He sent me a PM asking me what he had ever done to me. And he was right. I felt bad about it.
Even if Peto's endowment was enhanced, he was definitely knowledgeable about opera.

I really miss Croynan. What a major part of JUB he was and one of the best parts of JUB.

 

[HoodedRat]

Oh gosh, good old Peto, Croynan's favorite nemesis. Any time Peto posted, I knew Croynan would soon be on his tail. Now that was entertainment.
I remember being unkind to Peto one time in a post. He sent me a PM asking me what he had ever done to me. And he was right. I felt bad about it.
Even if Peto's endowment was enhanced, he was definitely knowledgeable about opera.

I really miss Croynan. What a major part of JUB he was and one of the best parts of JUB.

The Croynan vs Peto feud was a truly wondrous thing to behold.

Peto's love of opera made him almost bearable at times.

I too miss Croynan, he was always interesting.

 

[rareboy]

I don't put much stock in Andreus' account activity because a few months ago, dpnice's name appeared as a visitor to my blog and he has not been here for a long time. In fact, many believe he is deceased. Couldn't it just be some kind of glitch that showed activity.

Timing is everything. There are coincidences and there are coinkydinks.

But perhaps Andreus is like

 

[rareboy]

That some members are confusing their speculations with substantive fact does not mean all members or most are. (And shame on those who are confusing their hypotheses with fact.) I keep seeing people use the word "if" in this thread.

Given the gravity of the accusation, I think it's entirely natural to consider the possibilities. This isn't merely a question of uncovering a charismatic fake (if that's what Andreus was). It's a question of uncovering someone who faked their own death. I consider that a serious betrayal.

I do wish there was enough evidence--to the contrary of these speculations--that would put the concern to rest.

I guess.

We actually have one Jubber still active who did that and then was apparently resurrected after a period in purgatory.

Obviously I have a very low opinion of anyone who might toy with some of their emotionally fragile fellows...but as long as they didn't try to raise money from the gullible...then it is a relatively modest betrayal.

It would be the difference between your parents faking their own death when you were 7 in order to not have to take care of you any more and some guy telling his room mate to tell the one night stand who wanted to get in touch again that he had moved far, far away.

 

[refujiunderground]

I am thinking it's very possible that Enchanted does [did, well, before SexKitten] exist - we know there ARE people out there who think like he does.

If ONLY Andreus and Enchanted/SexKitten came out of the same mind, that alone is enough to make me think that the creator of these personas has a very interesting and brilliant mind. It takes a lot of skill in composition, role playing, etc. for somebody to convince nearly all of us that TWO such different people exist. Thinking back on Enchanted's own account deletion, then his reappearance under another name (and NOT trying to hide that he had been Enchanted), that didn't *seem* to be how I would expect a sockpuppet to behave. But then we can't really know...because sockpuppetology is a very poorly developed science.

Creating multiple sock puppets, and having enough control to keep the attributes of one from merging with the other, is challenging as well.

Now, if Andreus/Mitri, Enchanted, and BostonPirate *ALL* came out of the same mind...wow. Four people all very different from each other in their ways (though Mitri wasn't around quite enough for us to "know" him very well, and he may have come to seem much more like Andreus if I had read more of him and done so when I wasn't in a big hurry or something). Even that, if Andreus and Mitri were both sockpuppets, the fact that Andreus was pretty much ALWAYS around and Mitri was only here very intermittently, even THAT is strange for sockpuppets. *IF* it were to come about that all four of these came from the SAME mind, my best guess is that BP is the one who is "the real deal" if only that his posts in C E & P, which often went into deep politics that were well off the radar, would be difficult for somebody to impersonate if it isn't their true set of beliefs.

I don't feel "cheated" in any way. Duped, yes, but this is the internet and it comes with the territory. Though I don't remember for sure and I sure-as-hell can't prove it, I think that I learned something (and, therefore, improved my life by at least some minimal amount) from these guys.

Also, if the same person came up with ALL of these characters (and maybe MissPatrickCampbell??), he/she doesn't belong on JUB at all. NO, NOT BECAUSE OF DECEPTION AND STUFF, that's not the reason. That person needs to be out there, writing books. Why would somebody waste time here, when they have a mind that could probably be producing 250,000-units-sold books?



THIS. And thus the reason why I simply find this entire phenomenon interesting. Extreme role-playing, which I'm entirely no good at (even on a small scale), is something that just fascinates me - like how do people do this? Let alone your comment; it DOES take a lot of time and it's very possible that the puppetry was much less a flow of consciousness than it sometimes appeared to be. If it's not somebody's nature to be "that way" (like the role that is being played), everything has to be written fairly carefully to remain convincing.

i agree with you on the brilliant mind part but i also think it's safe to assume that the person behind it has some serious issues to work out. it's ironic that this thread was made while the show catfish is airing on mtv which is about people that are creating fake personas on the internet.

with that said, i'm convinced that andreus, his brother and bostonpirate are connected as in someone is basically getting their acting on. i'm also convinced that enchanted/sex kitten is also connected. enchanted/sex kitten is either an alias or lying about a lot of shit. i don't buy his whole entire teacher story. i'll try to give him a serious response out of sheer boredom BUT in the back of my mind, i know that the story is too good to be true. it sounds like one huge troll job. if he is real, that's probably NOT his photo and i DOUBT he lives in russia or whereever. he lives in america and dude is basically playing all of us for a fool. dude says a lot of suspicious things by the way which makes me wonder. wouldn't be surprised if another poster was in on it too or even the moderators knew what was going on.

it wouldn't surprise me if dude is basically reading this, laughing his ass off at this and then having an evil smirk on his face plotting on something. all we need is someone to basically come forward and tell the truth.


i think we need to call it out for what it is instead of beating around the bush.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The only grain of insight so far has been the recent login to Andreus' account. Everything else has been rather base and distasteful speculation about a JUB member otherwise understood to be a deceased person, and above all I'm surprised the thread continued after the second post, unless moderators were in possession of actual evidence instead of speculation and insinuation of their own. Not one of the "aha!" moments in this thread is inconsistent with what should actually be expected from the posting history of an eccentric but real poster. I don't see why it is more plausible that a boring person would pretend to be an eccentric while posting on the Internet, compared to the possibility of an eccentric person posting on the Internet.

What there has been far too little of in this thread is people prepared to reserve judgement. I'm honestly astonished at how people will pile on to innuendo and pretend it is substantive. I didn't have any affinity for Andreus but it still seems to me that he is entitled to more than the gong show on display here. If we had been forced into a boat made of the logic in this thread, we'd be down there with the titanic by now given all the gaps.

The first and only thing that rises above a hunch (which to my knowlege has never before been sufficient to disparage another member given the code of conduct) is the recent activity date. And even that is not conclusive; just google Mat Honan.

The thread title is "Tell me more about Andreus". I think we all have fulfilled the "more" part very well and have gone beyond that. Can we put a lock on this thread?

Well... in all honesty, why shouldn't it have continued? It may indeed be in poor taste, but that is entirely subjective and is not against the CoC anyway.

Given the amount of posts and the volume of input, tasteful or not, I'd say closing the thread would be in incredibly poor form. It has clearly resonated with numerous members here; to deny the right to discussion simply because some find the member in question to be something of a sacred cow would be a massive application of double standards, given how other members are dragged through the mud from time to time when they do or say something some deem questionable.

I think this type of discussion would be in exceptionally poor taste had this all come up now for the first time - still not against the CoC, I don't think, but probably entirely unnecessary and not something I could willingly or easily participate in. However, as has been pointed out several times, the similarities between Andreus the member as presented and Andreus the man is something which has been considered by a good number of JUBbers for most of the existence of this forum as we know it; this is hardly some new slander. Now is as good a time as any to get to the bottom of it, if indeed we can.

Death may well be The Leveller, but I'm mindful of the old adage that gone does not equal forgotten.

-d-

Agree with blackbelt's post. I consider it more "distasteful" when people summarily call for locking of a thread just because they personally aren't interested in it or don't like it, and not because it stands to harm them or anyone else.

I also think everyone trumping up the "innuendo" and "accusations" have only perused the thread as this thread is full of "IF..."s and "if that's the case.."s more than J'E ACCUSE.

On top of that, as already discussed, this isn't a random everyday poster being abruptly singled out arbitrarily, but someone that a good number of forumers always thought had a fishy story. And he does have a fishy story. In fact it's a fishmarket during a bumper fish harvest.

 

[refujiunderground]

Agree with blackbelt's post. I consider it more "distasteful" when people summarily call for locking of a thread just because they personally aren't interested in it or don't like it, and not because it stands to harm them or anyone else.

I also think everyone trumping up the "innuendo" and "accusations" have only perused the thread as this thread is full of "IF..."s and "if that's the case.."s more than J'E ACCUSE.

On top of that, as already discussed, this isn't a random everyday poster being abruptly singled out arbitrarily, but someone that a good number of forumers always thought had a fishy story. And he does have a fishy story. In fact it's a fishmarket during a bumper fish harvest.

what gets me is how many people actually believed it though. that's crazy. if they believed that without getting suspicious, then who else has been able to do the same thing? there's probably many other posters that aren't real, duping other people.

 

[xbuzzerx]

what gets me is how many people actually believed it though. that's crazy. if they believed that without getting suspicious, then who else has been able to do the same thing? there's probably many other posters that aren't real, duping other people.

I'm of the opinion that without the "hawt" part of his persona including a naked avatar he wouldn't have gotten half the attention he did.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Oh, this thread just got grandiosely more confusing from when I posted in it a week or so ago.

Let me stop what i'm doing and read up.

 

[refujiunderground]

I'm of the opinion that without the "hawt" part of his persona including a naked avatar he wouldn't have gotten half the attention he did.

smh @ people falling for look game. geez. it's scary, man. folks will always take something at face value even when it's suspicious as fuck.

 

[refujiunderground]

I'd say that about a lot of posters makes me glad I have avatar pictures turned off <3

honestly, there's a couple of posters in here that i'm suspicious about though that either they're aliases or something isn't right about them.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I don't know if this is aimed at me, but I will treat it as if it were.

Gentlemen, residents of the United States go into the public record--a record which anyone can search.

Rest assured: if a man named Andreus Thanos (or his other "real" name) lived in the United States as a legal entity, he most assuredly would appear in that public record.

There is no doubt to this whatsoever.

Now if Andreus Thanos was a pseudonym, or he lived as an illegal immigrant, then all bets are off.

Fair enough, at the same time though if his brother was here as a college student and especially if he had served prison time.. there would DEFINITELY be a record of him.