The expanding Israel-Hamas war

[TX-Beau]

What Israel is killing are the last vestiges of sympathy left for it in the world.

 

[rareboy]

I have to say that this latest rampage has shifted my view of Israel completely.

It is now eat or be eaten and anything that comes to the Zionists is of their own doing.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Israel is digging its own grave. The Islamic fury is a tidal surge ready to overwhelm the levees. The likely election of Harris will leave Netanyahu with a weakened hand when the wave breaks.

 

[ravenstone]

Israel is digging its own grave. The Islamic fury is a tidal surge ready to overwhelm the levees. The likely election of Harris will leave Netanyahu with a weakened hand when the wave breaks.

Israel has nukes, including on submarines, this will allow them to stop the tidal wave or at the very least it will make sure the rest of the Middle East goes up in smoke with it. I agree with you about Harris, which is one reason Harris might not get elected.

 

[fotojungs]

It's not 'Israel' it's still the leader - who is a nobody in prison, when not elected. So he is the one who is not intrested in an end of war.

 

[Norri]

Israel is digging its own grave. The Islamic fury is a tidal surge ready to overwhelm the levees. The likely election of Harris will leave Netanyahu with a weakened hand when the wave breaks.

Buddy we are looking at the same thing but we don’t see the same thing. Where is this Islamic fury you’re talking about? In which country Arab or otherwise are there anti-Israeli protesters in the street demanding their governments do something. 50-60 yrs ago there were actual Arab armies that threatened and attacked Israel but that world is long gone. Today almost all Arab governments support Israel over Hamas because they fear Iranian incursions but they don’t fear Israel.

The Israeli ability to target and kill a Hamas leader inside Iran and the intelligence required to pull it off (there had to be someone on the ground confirming he had arrived home) illustrates to Arab leaders that if you want to keep Iran out you’ll need Israel. It’s not out of the question that within a generation they could be the dominant Middle East power.

Nothing illustrates the unpopularity of the Iranian government within Iran more than the intelligence Israel garners there.

The only possible threat I see for them would be an Iranian destabilization of Jordan and Iranian influence filling the void. It would be very easy for Iran to stock Jordan with missiles. The best way to combat that, were it that current Israeli leadership had vision, would be to start talking to Assad in Syria who wants the Iranians out of Syria, an interest Israel shares.

Assad might not like Israel but they neither occupy his country nor want to. There room for a deal to me made there over common interests.

 

[rareboy]

I would agree that Islamic fury is not a thing.

Hamas ended up isolating itself and the Palestinians to such a degree that no one really has cared that much about the systematic genocide being carried out in Gaza.

The Islamic countries all know one thing. They don't want Hamas migrating into their country.

 

[KaraBulut]

I would agree that Islamic fury is not a thing.

Hamas ended up isolating itself and the Palestinians to such a degree that no one really has cared that much about the systematic genocide being carried out in Gaza.

The Islamic countries all know one thing. They don't want Hamas migrating into their country.

That's exactly it. And why is all of this a confusing mess? Because these countries have commingled religion, law and government to the point that terms like "Arab", "Sunni", "Hamas" and "Palestinian" are used interchangeably. It's door through which organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbollah have walked through to become integrated organizations that provide charity, religious instruction and function as governments-in-occupation for areas like Gaza.

It's also door through which Israel is able to bomb Palestinian civilians claiming that they are "targeting Hamas".

Something that is really real is "the Arab street" which are poorly-educated religious poor people who respond very quickly to rumors. As the stories about Sede Teiman start getting out in the media and into the Arab street, it is going to get uglier across the Middle East. This is going to be another Abu Graib or Guantanamo mess and it's going to be another effective recruiting tool for a new generation of terrorists.

 

[TX-Beau]

Nobody involved has clean hands.

 

[KaraBulut]

Nobody involved has clean hands.

Or more succinctly: everyone involved has bloody hands that keep getting bloodier.

 

[Alnitak]

What Israel is killing are the last vestiges of sympathy left for it in the world.

There was never sympathy for Jews.

If there were sympathy for Jews, then the world would have let Jewish refugees in during the Evian conference of 1938 when the world looked on as Germany executed 1/3 of the population.

There wasn't. There isn't. So there isn't much incentive for Israel to care what the peanut gallery thinks.

 

[Alnitak]

Israel is digging its own grave. The Islamic fury is a tidal surge ready to overwhelm the levees. The likely election of Harris will leave Netanyahu with a weakened hand when the wave breaks.

Israel is twice the age of Islam. LOL Islam is fetus.

 

[KaraBulut]

...If there were sympathy for Jews, then the world would have let Jewish refugees in during the Evian conference of 1938 when the world looked on as Germany executed 1/3 of the population.

There was sympathy, but like in all refugee crises, like the current ones, just "not in my country".

Israel is twice the age of Islam. LOL Islam is fetus.

So, how's the past couple thousand years been going?

 

[Alnitak]

There was sympathy, but like in all refugee crises, like the current ones, just "not in my country".


So, how's the past couple thousand years been going?

The Dominican Republic was the only country willing to let Jews in from Nazi Germany.

The rest of you goyim have blood on your hands.

 

[Alnitak]

So, how's the past couple thousand years been going?

Are you bragging at the genocide of Jews?

 

[KaraBulut]

Are you bragging at the genocide of Jews?

No, just pointing out that "number of years" and "history" aren't the same thing.

You were right about the Maccabean shift in Jewish thinking in Israel. But this current conflict is part of something that started before the Holocaust with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arab revolts in the 1930s.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: people in that part of the world don't think in days like Americans, they think in centuries. You ask an American what they had for breakfast yesterday and they are likely not to remember. You ask a middle eastern person what they had for breakfast yesterday and they will tell you about some group of people that stole their ancestral lands centuries ago.

Blood feuds over land and water rights never seem to end. Religion just gives them an excuse for the same ethnic cleansing they've all been doing for millennia.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Israel is twice the age of Islam. LOL Islam is fetus.

Israel as a nation is not. Once in exile, the Diaspora no more was a nation than the Shah when he fled Iran, or the Romanovs when Russia fell to te Communists.

Israel did not exist again as a state until the 20th century, and then only as a protectorate under the Great Powers who made it so, the same ones who recent to that had carved up the Levant and North Africa for the resources they exploited there.

In other comments, 1938 was raised as proof no one cares about Jews. Citing an atrocity from 80 years ago is intentionally ignoring eight decades of extraordinary support the US and Europe have provided Jews both in Israel and in our own borders. Birth of a Nation was popular in the early 1900's, but not now. Anti-Semitism is much abated in this country by any honest account.

Jewish Americans are prominent in all levels of American society and fare better as a subpopulation that most other minorities in wealth and privilege and real power.

That some citizens now call for reason and restraint in aiding Israel as it slaughters 10-20-fold the losses from October 2023 is no Anti-Semitism. It's not supporting the crocodile tears of Netanyahu's butchers.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The Dominican Republic was the only country willing to let Jews in from Nazi Germany.

The rest of you goyim have blood on your hands.

The fact that Jews still retain the use of "goyim" is a practice that causes Jews to often be seen at "other" in any country, as the use of it to refer to any non-Jew is a perjorative, the same as when Mormons use "non-member" to mean someone not equal.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Buddy we are looking at the same thing but we don’t see the same thing. Where is this Islamic fury you’re talking about? In which country Arab or otherwise are there anti-Israeli protesters in the street demanding their governments do something. 50-60 yrs ago there were actual Arab armies that threatened and attacked Israel but that world is long gone. Today almost all Arab governments support Israel over Hamas because they fear Iranian incursions but they don’t fear Israel.

The Israeli ability to target and kill a Hamas leader inside Iran and the intelligence required to pull it off (there had to be someone on the ground confirming he had arrived home) illustrates to Arab leaders that if you want to keep Iran out you’ll need Israel. It’s not out of the question that within a generation they could be the dominant Middle East power.

Nothing illustrates the unpopularity of the Iranian government within Iran more than the intelligence Israel garners there.

The only possible threat I see for them would be an Iranian destabilization of Jordan and Iranian influence filling the void. It would be very easy for Iran to stock Jordan with missiles. The best way to combat that, were it that current Israeli leadership had vision, would be to start talking to Assad in Syria who wants the Iranians out of Syria, an interest Israel shares.

Assad might not like Israel but they neither occupy his country nor want to. There room for a deal to me made there over common interests.

I'm not talking about the Iranian government. I'm talking about the scattering of Islamic terrorist groups that range across the planet, some with state support, some not.

It's doesn't take massive armies or wealth to do great harm, to ruin a landscape, to create a war. By "tidal wave" I did not mean wiping Israel off the map, but instituting a never-ending war that Israel already claims to be fighting, but will be much worse.

The slaughter ongoing is sewing the seeds of a backlash that will be far worse that people think. They will get their hands on bio-weapons, or chemical weapons, or nukes, and it will be much worse than any 911.

Just watch. I'd like to be wrong, but you can feel it coming.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I would agree that Islamic fury is not a thing.

Hamas ended up isolating itself and the Palestinians to such a degree that no one really has cared that much about the systematic genocide being carried out in Gaza.

The Islamic countries all know one thing. They don't want Hamas migrating into their country.

It's much more than states that are Muslim. Seeing babies blown to bits every day in countries as far flung as Indonesia and Malaysia.

You can be sure that young anti-Zionists are finding groups that will let them become terrorists in the cause.

And much of it could have been averted if Israel had not indulged itself in this all-too-historic retribution.