The expanding Israel-Hamas war

[rareboy]

And meanwhile on FOX:

Fox News is fully back in pre-2003 mode as it sells the Iran War to its viewers.

Emily Compagno: "Sometimes the way to preserve peace through strength is to take some action that will protect, as an investment, American and allied interests... That would be the peacemaking deal of the century."

War is Peace.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Norri]

His use of the word ‘we’ is very telling but totally inaccurate. We, meaning America, does not control Tehran air space. Trump seeing the possibility that Iran might implode wants a piece of that action. Kinda like Stalin invading Japan right after they were nuked.

 

[Riverrick]

It seems to me that the US asking Iran for unconditional surrender is the same as declaring war on them.
If that is our goal, how else do we attain it?

 

[NotHardUp1]

His use of the word ‘we’ is very telling but totally inaccurate. We, meaning America, does not control Tehran air space. Trump seeing the possibility that Iran might implode wants a piece of that action. Kinda like Stalin invading Japan right after they were nuked.

I'm not sure everyone agrees with that. The US has publicly declared it is helping Israel shoot down incoming missiles and drones.

That is how much is being admitted publicly.

Trump has been boasting that his arbitrary 60-day deadline passed with no deal, clearly implying he supported Israel's action, regardless of him initially distancing himself. As usual, he's been as clear as a weathervane in a tornado.

Who knows what we did to enable Israel's strikes? Highly unlikely we were not involved.

It seems to me that the US asking Iran for unconditional surrender is the same as declaring war on them.
If that is our goal, how else do we attain it?

Many would consider that a moot point. All that Shia muslims care about is that a) we unequivically support Israel and her war crimes, b) we have nukes but arbitrarily declare ourselves arbiters of nuclear empowerment, ignoring Israel's arms, and fucking over Ukraine and ensuring she would be invaded by pressuring her to shed hers.

It really doesn't matter at this point how Iran surrenders. Our actions and defense of Israel will bring the war to our shores. It's only a matter of time, and how. And Ukraine's stunning attack on Russia's planes is clear proof a small operation can make devastating damage, and you can be certain terrorists won't target highly defended military targets, but civilians.

 

[KaraBulut]

There's a Twitter account that has a novel approach of war prognostication: they poll the pizza delivery stores and gay bars around the Pentagon to assess whether the Pentagon employees are working overtime. More pizzas delivered to the Pentagon and fewer people drinking at the gay bar means something is going on.

 

[Riverrick]

Many would consider that a moot point. All that Shia muslims care about is that a) we unequivically support Israel and her war crimes, b) we have nukes but arbitrarily declare ourselves arbiters of nuclear empowerment, ignoring Israel's arms, and fucking over Ukraine and ensuring she would be invaded by pressuring her to shed hers.

It really doesn't matter at this point how Iran surrenders. Our actions and defense of Israel will bring the war to our shores. It's only a matter of time, and how. And Ukraine's stunning attack on Russia's planes is clear proof a small operation can make devastating damage, and you can be certain terrorists won't target highly defended military targets, but civilians.

I meant it more from the point of view of a US citizen who did not think we were actively, boots on the ground, going to war. Is the US going to invade Iran? That would certainly be possible with this president.

 

[NotHardUp1]

I meant it more from the point of view of a US citizen who did not think we were actively, boots on the ground, going to war. Is the US going to invade Iran? That would certainly be possible with this president.

My guess is no, not in any way other than nuclear inspectors. Iran won't be another Iraq, as if that would even be desirable.

Iran would be killing occupying soldiers at every turn by guerilla warfare. The mullahs may be increasingly unpopular, but that won't compare with how hated an occupier will be.

It really doesn't matter whatever the White House claims was their plan in retrospect. We all know that Trump had no plan other than to claim victory in disarming Iran. Now he will have years to live out the answer of "at what cost?"

For those of us who oppose him, this is great news, as any involvement in the Israeli-Iranian War is anathema to a serious portion of his MAGA base. The betrayals are adding up. The deficit is going to grow, hugely. The immigrants targeted are not criminals so are hurting his donors. The open corruption is the opposite of draining the swamp. Tariffs are hurting a lot of his fans. He just seems to have the Midas touch for ruining even the things he could have succeeded with.

Jumping in with Israel will cost him dearly. It could even bring about his assassination.

 

[KaraBulut]

The mistake Trump is making, and it's the same mistake that America keeps making, is that there's no plan for the day after. We've gotten really good at putting on a light show and making things go boom but we never think, "Is what is going to replace this worse than the current state?".

Also... Netanyahu knows Trump is an ignorant fool who keeps falling for the lies...

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[Riverrick]

"Iran would be killing occupying soldiers at every turn by guerilla warfare. The mullahs may be increasingly unpopular, but that won't compare with how hated an occupier will be."

Exactly my thoughts......invading and occupying Iran would be a disaster. We would be fighting every single man, woman, and child.
Still, Trumps ego is so fragile that I really do believe he would like a war in order to feel powerful. Iran could be his Ukraine.

 

[Norri]

Helping Israel shoot down incoming missiles is one thing using American B-52s with American pilots and American bombs to take out an underground nuclear facility is a whole different thing. Netanyahu has cleared the skies for Trump to bomb away with little risk…..pretty tempting eh?

I’m curious about any radiation that might escape or is it that deep, haven’t read about that and it really matters.

No one is going to invade Iran but expecting them to fold is foolish. If humans knuckled under every time a superior force demanded it the Jewish people would have disappeared thousands of yrs ago.

 

[72-Jay]

I’m curious about any radiation that might escape or is it that deep, haven’t read about that and it really matters.

Ofcourse they are not going to bring that up. It'll be kept quiet.
And if someone does start asking, I'm sure the response will be something to the effect of "its so deep underground it cant escape"
But fact is if they use a bunker-buster and it can actually get down & take out that facility... wouldn't that by default also disturb the ground above? Then some radiation *may* escape? If any, how much? Only a true expert could answer that.. I certainly couldn't. .lol. But I also would have a hard time believing anyone who said "there is zero risk"

 

[rareboy]

Sounds a little gay there Jesse.

 

[rareboy]

Meanwhile....there is a massive fissure opening among the MAGATs over Trump touting war.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Ofcourse they are not going to bring that up. It'll be kept quiet.
And if someone does start asking, I'm sure the response will be something to the effect of "its so deep underground it cant escape"
But fact is if they use a bunker-buster and it can actually get down & take out that facility... wouldn't that by default also disturb the ground above? Then some radiation *may* escape? If any, how much? Only a true expert could answer that.. I certainly couldn't. .lol. But I also would have a hard time believing anyone who said "there is zero risk"

Not that radiation contamination isn't real, but I suspect the big fallout from the US bombing Iran isn't radiation.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Helping Israel shoot down incoming missiles is one thing

And that thing is complicity. We are responsible for Israel's war crimes against Gazans. We are responsible for protecting Israel and enabling her illegal bombing of Iran. Iran is guilty of its own crimes.

What seems likely is that Trump's ego will win in the end and he won't be satisfied with the truth after-the-fact that will come out about other US involvement in Isaels affairs. Self-destructive actions by this egomaniac are his modus operandi. He has done it over, and over, and over.

The manchild that he is views any possible sign of weakness as an immediate call to action to prove his dick isn't limp. He was never an athlete. He was never a genius. And he was never a warrior. Hence, all the time, he trumpets how smart he is, how patriotic is, and how much his base loves him. It's all compensation.

There's just no way in hell he's not going to authorize that 30-ton dick-by-proxy to be deployed. He'll count on his hypnotic effect and MAGA's desperation to bring his defectors to heel later. He doesn't have to be re-elected anyway, and JD Vance can land on the same curb Trump's eventually kicks all this minions to. I mean, what are they gonna do, impeach Trump?

I'll be happy to be wrong.

 

[rareboy]

So the murder of a dictator is now on the boards? Good.

It opens the door for this to happen to any leader who unleashes war.

Et tu, Israel?

 

[rareboy]

Seems about par for the course.

 

[rareboy]

From Ryan Goodman on Bluesky:

Senator Ted Cruz 2013 on Obama attacking Syria: "The residual presidential authority to act militarily in the absence of a declaration of war is based on an imminent, direct threat to the United States.""[Acting] would be contrary to the Constitution"Senator Cruz 2025 on Trump attacking Iran:

 

[KaraBulut]

From Ryan Goodman on Bluesky:

A reminder: Miss Lindsey was one of the reasons that Trump pulled out of the Iran deal in 2017.

Ted was on Tucker Carlson's web show this week to beat the war drums.

At one point, Tucker asked Ted if he knew how many people lived in Iran. Cruz hemmed and hawed and finally admitted that he didn't.

The answer is 90 million.

By comparison, there are 7 million Jews living in Israel.

People think that Iran is a small country- the size of an American state. It's not:



Iran also has 2 years of compulsary military service for men over 18 years old.

Remember those 20 years that the US spent trying to control Afghanistan before Trump made an agreement in 2020 to pull troops out? Afghanistan is about 1/3 the size of Iran and has about half the population of Iran.


'dis you Donnie?

 

[rareboy]

The Administration seems to think that Iranians are camel fucking tribes that they can whup into submission.

The west has destroyed important pieces of Iran's nuclear capability before...it alsmost seems regular as clockwork.

But this time around, the only reason for Trump joining in is to convey threat...not to resolve the nuclear stand-off.

I also think he just doesn't have the ability or bench strength to actually negotiate at a table, so he is taking the easy way out. Blow it all up and then claim unconditional surrender or supreme victory.

But I will bet that he may still chicken out if enough experienced strategists can get through to him how catastrophic the results could be for the US. And Israel.

And honest to pete. If Israel is going to be a genocidal butcher state...I am seeing less of a downside of Iran having a Nuclear device to bring Israel to heel on the issue of Palestine.