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The expanding Israel-Hamas war

rareboy said:
...And honest to pete. If Israel is going to be a genocidal butcher state...I am seeing less of a downside of Iran having a Nuclear device to bring Israel to heel on the issue of Palestine.
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It's interesting... in discussions with friends who I would gauge as on being either side of the liberal/conservative scale, a large number of them have said to me, "I don't know why we don't just let them all kill each other". It's an imperfect sentiment that shows how fed up everyone is with the excuses for endless bloodlust and murder in the Middle East.

I heard an interview with Sen Elissa Slotkin [R-MI] that was a good analysis of where a lot of Americans who have lived or served in the Middle East are. Nobody likes the extreme religious leadership of Iran, or the corrupt military that have partnered with the Islamists to line their own pockets with money.


Where I do differ with Slotkin is on America's role in creating the mess. Like so many of these terrible petro-states, the US has tinkered in the politics of Iran, including their support of the Pahlavi Shahs which ultimately fomented the 1979 Revolution which led to development of the current Islamic Republic.

The Iranian people are well educated and have a lot of regrets about the 1979 Revolution. The US has continued to tinker in Iranian politics and allow Israel to manipulate US policy toward Iran. We just don't seem to be able to learn from the history. It never ends well when we get mired down in what is going on there.
 
KaraBulut said:
It's interesting... in discussions with friends who I would gauge as on being either side of the liberal/conservative scale, a large number of them have said to me, "I don't know why we don't just let them all kill each other". It's an imperfect sentiment that shows how fed up everyone is with the excuses for endless bloodlust and murder in the Middle East.

I heard an interview with Sen Elissa Slotkin [R-MI] that was a good analysis of where a lot of Americans who have lived or served in the Middle East are. Nobody likes the extreme religious leadership of Iran, or the corrupt military that have partnered with the Islamists to line their own pockets with money.


Where I do differ with Slotkin is on America's role in creating the mess. Like so many of these terrible petro-states, the US has tinkered in the politics of Iran, including their support of the Pahlavi Shahs which ultimately fomented the 1979 Revolution which led to development of the current Islamic Republic.

The Iranian people are well educated and have a lot of regrets about the 1979 Revolution. The US has continued to tinker in Iranian politics and allow Israel to manipulate US policy toward Iran. We just don't seem to be able to learn from the history. It never ends well when we get mired down in what is going on there.
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The worst part? The west REFUSES to learn form history. We are always gaming things like the Imperialist/ WWII/ Cold War never ended.

Which it never does It is just one continuous conflict founded in greed and exploitation and tribal hatreds going back many millenia.

Presented with an utterly rational basis for respecting a kind of world order designed to eliminate the worst of human excess...we are all...'Nope. Let's not."

I am utterly exhausted by the bronze age hatreds that just kept evolving into present day conflicts in the Middle East. When I was in my teens, I thought I understood that Israel was reparations for unspeakable slaughter and attempted annihilation by Europeans. But then.

I am not sure that under the Ottomans, it wasn't better controlled. But I am not an imperialist either because it seems to always involve the remorseless deaths of millions as well.

But this Israel...the unrepentant and rapacious occupier of shared land....it doesn't deserve to be in the ascendant. It has no moral or intellectual authority in Palestine and Gaza.

It deserves to be humbled and made eqaul to those it oppresses and steals from.
 
rareboy said:
...I am not sure that under the Ottomans, it wasn't better controlled. But I am not an imperialist either because it seems to always involve the remorseless deaths of millions as well.
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The Ottomans were just a link in a very long chain of tyranny and corruption in the Middle East. You can go back 4,000 years to a series of "empires" in the area- the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Persians, the Romans, the Ottomans, the British...

The Ottomans did some things right- they allowed a pluralism that generated a tax levy income instead of forcing everyone to convert to a single religion. That created a weaker pluralistic society that was easier to dominate but it also reinforced the tribal mentality that has been the norm in that region for millennia.

When a people have been ruled by tyrants for millennia, you're not going to be able to change them to thinking in another way. You're just going to enable another (new) generation of tyrants who eventually fall back on the same old shit way of ruling.

If there's a lesson that Americans do need to learn it's that religion as a tool of government never enables democracy. It just gives the tyrants a moral justification to do the stuff that they did before those religions came into being.
 
Remember that when Trump goes all Revelations on us, that this is one of the main reasons why.

The hordes of nihilist religious nuts who are desperate for the End Times.

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Mike Huckabee exposes 'apocalyptic vision' pushing Trump into war: columnist

Mike Huckabee shared a text message he sent urging president Donald Trump to strike Iran, and an Israeli journalist and author said the ambassador's "Bible-thumping, messianic rhetoric" revealed the Christian right's dark ambitions.Trump's ambassador to Israel called on Trump to join military...
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Don't know where to park this one....but there will be civil war among the MAGAts.

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MAGA feud boils over as Steve Bannon calls for investigation of Fox News hosts

Steve Bannon called for investigations of several Fox News commentators who have been urging president Donald Trump to order a military strike on Iran.The right-wing influencer played a clip of former White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany arguing that Iran had taken American hostages and...
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The billionaires supporting religious insanity have not really thought this through. Come the day of The Rapture, money will cease to have a value. There will be no more billionaires, the rich tunc's pockets will be as empty as mine. They will not be happy about that. Careful what you wish for.
 
I imagine that his decision will also be largely guided by whether he thinks it could help him domestically to impose martial law or
other war measures policies in order to bypass the Constitution.
 
rareboy said:
I imagine that his decision will also be largely guided by whether he thinks it could help him domestically to impose martial law or
other war measures policies in order to bypass the Constitution.
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Methinks, courts or no courts, Trump and Vance and Noem won't be able to resist pushing California too far, and will eventually cross a bright red line that will trigger a national crisis, similar to Central High, but with different dynamics and tenets.

And the states will either rally Congress to stop it all, or will cease being states for all purposes.

I do suspect that Vance's eagerness to be highly visible so as to be the heir apparent will get him assassinated long before that race, but it's just a hunch.
 
And, right on schedule, Trump has attacked Iran on a Saturday, post evening news cycle.

Expect American casualties immediately, within the week, as Iran will not wait.

Let's see if the MAGA split will happen or not. They certainly have held their nose through a raft of other betrayals, all for the hate of their fellow Americans.

We shall see.

US has struck 3 Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says, joining Israeli air campaign (AP; June 21, 2025)
 
Aaaaand now we have differing opinions about whether MAGA is "falling in line" or not:

Newsweek's take on it

Spinmeistering from NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...all-line-trump-airstrikes-hit-iran-rcna214314

MAGA will give lip service to supporting, and quell any impeachment move, but once the Iraniansn hit a US ship, or embassy, or whatever, and Americans die, the division will be quite evident in the isolationists.

I frankly wouldn't be surprised to see the Iranians do something more headline-grabbing, like drone-attack one of the cruise ships taking Jewish students back to America and Europe from Israel.

How could the world see it any differently than Israel blowing up every single Gazan hospital?
 
After the Bay of Pigs debacle, the Kennedy Administration took a long look at the decision-making process and why their plan failed.

Some worrisome facts are coming out about Trump's little war games. He didn't listen to intelligence experts who said that Iran did not have a nuclear weapon. He didn't bring in national security experts for a debate on the pros/cons of military action. He didn't go to Congress for authorization and he didn't inform Democratic leadership in Congress of what he planned to do.

The Sec of Defense just gave a "Dear Leader" speech this morning talking about what a great leader Trump is. He didn't talk about the planning, the mission, the execution or the competence of the soldiers who actually planned and carried out the mission. When asked about the justification for the bombing of a foreign country, Hegseth couldn't cite any US intelligence data about Iran having nuclear weapons.

The old Bush-era neocons, like John Bolton, who got us into a 20 year war in Iraq and Afghanistan are out on the Sunday morning news show waving the flag and talking about what a good thing it was to bomb Iran and how this will lead to long overdue regime change. This is feeling very familiar.

I'm getting this vibe already:

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Of course, if Iran hadn't been making a bomb...they will now. And it likely will be a dirty bomb.

And now every US citizen and asset has a target on it.

And when regime change comes in Iran...it will the the IRG seizing power and militarizing the country.

It was clear from the first Israeli attack that there never was any intention by the US to 'negotiate' and agreement with Iran because they know they
are no good at negotiations on anything. This campaign to use US B- Bombers was intentional and inevitable.


And this is the warning to the rest of us, including Canada and Greenland. If you don't capitulate and declare total surrender, the US will just drop bombs
on you until you do.

And there all of you were worried about Joe and Kamala getting the US into a nuclear adjacent war.
 
rareboy said:
Of course, if Iran hadn't been making a bomb...they will now. And it likely will be a dirty bomb.
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To be honest, I've been surprised that Iran doesn't already have nuclear weapons. They have a deep, lasting hatred of Israel. They have a very well-educated population. They have had a nuclear program that dates back to the Pahlavi regime in the 1960s. They've been in a proxy war with Israel and the US- both of whom have nuclear weapons.

All the rah-rahs in the Republican Party are out and about saying, "Now Iran will have to come to the table and negotiate." They've completely forgotten what happened in the US after 9/11. I won't be surprised at all if the Iranian public becomes more nationalistic and demands that their government fast track nuclear weapons to defend themselves from their enemy, the Zionists.

Israel started this war 10 days ago. The US just said, "Us, too!". Now Iran has control of what happens next and there is no diplomatic solution out of this that does not make Iran look weak. Looking weak is never the default position of any country in the middle east.

There's also two easier targets: Iran has a very sophisticated hacking program. They also control a choke point for oil exports from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula.

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Apparently Iran has voted to close the straits of Hormuz. Oil prices will now soar.

Which will only inflame the conflict, damage the world economy even more and bring even more countries into the war.

But that is what TrumpCo. and a lot of oligarchs and enemies of Iran also want.

This also puts Israel and the US on a direct collision course with the rrrZZZian allies of Iran who have used it as a proxy in their
takedown of the US.

Meanwhile, we have the ususal mealy mouth prattle from the Democrats about how this would never have been approved by Congress
and as you point out above, the usual spin from the Sunday bobbleheads about why this is the bestesrt thing the US has done ever.
 
rareboy said:
Apparently Iran has voted to close the straits of Hormuz. Oil prices will now soar.
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Oil prices will go up. Russia will rejoice. China and the US will be unhappy about the impacts on the economy.

Apparently, the 79 year old in charge in the US has lost his interest in the stock market and in staying out of foreign entanglements. This is what it looks like when we elect politicians who don't talk about their plans for the nation but instead talk about their own fantasies of retribution.
 
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