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On-Topic The NRA in Disarray

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And they continue to jump ship.

The National Rifle Association has experienced another in a long line of embarrassments after two more board members announced they are jumping ship from the gun group.

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6 NRA Board Members Have Now Jumped From Sinking Ship (Huffpost; August 20, 2019)

Apparently the was no mention of the NRA's financial or legal woes.
 
Or pictorially...

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When push comes to shove, Donald Trump, the best leader in the history of anywhere, the man who razzed Congressional Republicans as being afraid of the NRA... emerges as the weakest, most indecisive, most pathetic NRA toadie of all. And this when the NRA is in a shambles and its corrupt leadership is teetering. A real leader would never allow Wayne Lapierre even as close as the gates of the White House, let alone take another call from him ever. The NRA allies of LaPierre,, so willing to get cozy with Russia... THEY are true enemies of the people. And Trump stands with them and fears Moscow Mitch McConnell. Sorry Mikey, your great president is an utter and total fraud, liar, hypocrite and miserable bastard.
 
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While I don't like the NRA, San Francisco can't declare them a terrorist group just because they dislike them. I don't think this action will stand.
 
eddielee said:
While I don't like the NRA, San Francisco can't declare them a terrorist group just because they dislike them. I don't think this action will stand.
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That's an odd thing to say, who exactly is going to take them to task for it and give them all spankings, on what legal basis?

SF can declare them anything it damn well pleases.
 
TX-Beau said:
That's an odd thing to say, who exactly is going to take them to task for it and give them all spankings, on what legal basis?

SF can declare them anything it damn well pleases.
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NRA can be considered free speech and they are protected. The NRA is suing San Francisco and they are likely to win. As I said, I don't like the NRA, but they don't have the characteristics of a terrorist group. It also sets a dangerous precedent, that would allow any city to declare any group "terrorists".
 
eddielee said:
NRA can be considered free speech and they are protected. The NRA is suing San Francisco and they are likely to win. As I said, I don't like the NRA, but they don't have the characteristics of a terrorist group. It also sets a dangerous precedent, that would allow any city to declare any group "terrorists".
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Their suit does allege a "free speech" issue which has become the "go to" claim for right wing organizations when they can't come up with a decent argument for a suit. They know free speech is something that both the Right and Left agree on, so it's the easiest thing to try.

The SF proposition wasn't about free speech, though. SF's board of governors passed the resolution to keep eliminate vendors and contractors who do business with the NRA. It's really the vendors and contractors who would have the free speech claim (similar to those contracts that are popular these days saying vendors and contractors can't boycott Israel). Not sure that the NRA has a valid free speech claim.

So, the city mayor hasn't signed the resolution, so I'm not sure why they're filing other than to have something to write about in their fund-raising letters?

The filing can be found here:
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?embed=true&id=6395044-NRA-San-Francisco-Lawsuit
 
eddielee said:
NRA can be considered free speech and they are protected. The NRA is suing San Francisco and they are likely to win. As I said, I don't like the NRA, but they don't have the characteristics of a terrorist group. It also sets a dangerous precedent, that would allow any city to declare any group "terrorists".
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Yeah, the NRA isn't "speech" it's a Non-Profit org, and they have no more "protection" than anyone esle. That's like saying concrete is oranges. It's suing because SF is telling vendors not to do business with the NRA, and probably because that whore Lapierre is just butt-hurt and doesn't want to be poor. Since SF isn't telling the NRA to stop anything or do anything, they have absolutely no chance of getting anywhere with that lawsuit.

You can sue anyone for any reason, that doesn't mean you actually have an argument, and frankly that's the default reaction the NRA has when they start whining about anything.

Whatever there on that "precedent" argument. since, no it doesn't. Cities, counties, states, the Fed all do business with whomever they choose, usualy there are political reasons of one kind or another, and SF has no authority to tell anyone else what to do.
 
KaraBulut said:
...So, the city mayor hasn't signed the resolution, so I'm not sure why they're filing other than to have something to write about in their fund-raising letters?..
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Bingo. They always do this, make a big doomed-to-fail show that goes exactly nowhere, then turn around and tell their members how noble and righteous they are and now they need to be sent more cash. Frankly I doubt that they even have standing for that kind of suit.

Declaring the NRA a terrorist org isn't actionable anyway, and the vendors are the ones being affected.
 
eddielee said:
NRA can be considered free speech and they are protected. The NRA is suing San Francisco and they are likely to win. As I said, I don't like the NRA, but they don't have the characteristics of a terrorist group. It also sets a dangerous precedent, that would allow any city to declare any group "terrorists".
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While we are all likely to have different standards on what constitutes a terrorist organization, there is no doubt that a Russian funded group, intent on literally weaponizing America's flawed 2nd Amendment and through bribery, graft and corruption is constantly fighting against controls that could prevent brutal gun violence certainly fills part of the bill from where many of us stand.

We will see what standard the City applies to a group already under serious threat from investigations in New York and other jurisdictions to determine if their actions and behind the scenes deeds would qualify them to be considered as dangerous as other ideological religious or political groups.
 
rareboy said:
...We will see what standard the City applies to a group already under serious threat from investigations in New York and other jurisdictions to determine if their actions and behind the scenes deeds would qualify them to be considered as dangerous as other ideological religious or political groups.
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You're right to bring up what is going on in New York.

The NRA isn't a terrorist organization as much as it is a corrupt "not-for-profit" that is laundering money and allowing its executives to divert donor money to their own personal accounts. It's like the PTL Club without Tammy Faye.

And like the PTL Club, the executives need to be disgraced and sent to prison. The organization needs to lose its tax exempt status and be broken up.
 
^ Why exactly is the NRA 'tax exempt'? If they are 'not for profit', why are the high uppities so rich and why can the afford to bri... I mean 'donate' so much money to the Republicans?
 
gsdx said:
^ Why exactly is the NRA 'tax exempt'? If they are 'not for profit', why are the high uppities so rich and why can the afford to bri... I mean 'donate' so much money to the Republicans?
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There's an old thread someone in CE&P or HT that has a discussion between Kuhlindahr and me about the NRA that we knew growing up. A lot of kids in the US learn about guns from family members but until the 1980s, the NRA was known for conducting gun safety classes for kids and adults.

That history, got them tax exempt status under IRS 1(c)(4). On paper, the NRA is a "social welfare organization".
To be tax-exempt as a social welfare organization described in Internal Revenue Code (IRC) section 501(c)(4), an organization must not be organized for profit and must be operated exclusively to promote social welfare. The earnings of a section 501(c)(4) organization may not inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any managers agreeing to the transaction. See Introduction to IRC 4958 for more information about this excise tax. For a more detailed discussion of the exemption requirements for section 501(c)(4) organizations, see IRC 501(c)(4) Organizations.
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IRS 501(c)(4) organizations are allowed to lobby government. Donations made to 501(c)(4) orgs are not tax-deductible. But the income for 501(c)(4) are tax exempt, as long as most of their spending is made toward "social welfare".

If I get a chance, I'll have to find the thread with the discussion with Kuhlindahr - about how the NRA changed over the past 30 years and how they've diverted member dues to pay exorbitant executive salaries for people like Wayne LaPierre. That discussion was probably 2-3 years ago, so it's good to see that the gig is about to be up for Mr LaPierre and the buying off of politicians.

LaPierre is in deep shit. The NRA is in even deeper shit. They're about to lose their tax-exempt status unless Congress bails them out.
 
^ Don't bother digging for it, my friend. You've more than answered my question, and now I know why LaPierre is in deep shit.
 
KaraBulut said:
There's an old thread someone in CE&P or HT that has a discussion between Kuhlindahr and me about the NRA that we knew growing up. A lot of kids in the US learn about guns from family members but until the 1980s, the NRA was known for conducting gun safety classes for kids and adults.

That history, got them tax exempt status under IRS 1(c)(4). On paper, the NRA is a "social welfare organization".


IRS 501(c)(4) organizations are allowed to lobby government. Donations made to 501(c)(4) orgs are not tax-deductible. But the income for 501(c)(4) are tax exempt, as long as most of their spending is made toward "social welfare".

If I get a chance, I'll have to find the thread with the discussion with Kuhlindahr - about how the NRA changed over the past 30 years and how they've diverted member dues to pay exorbitant executive salaries for people like Wayne LaPierre. That discussion was probably 2-3 years ago, so it's good to see that the gig is about to be up for Mr LaPierre and the buying off of politicians.

LaPierre is in deep shit. The NRA is in even deeper shit. They're about to lose their tax-exempt status unless Congress bails them out.
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Funny that you mention that.

I heard this morning that the GOP are blocking the investigation of the NRA money for Trump back in 2016.

I suspect that a lot of NRA owned legislators want this to go away because the shit might stick to them as well. On both sides of the aisle.
 
...or that the Board of the NRA scrambled to clean up the misappropriation of funds.

The National Rifle Association’s board retroactively approved numerous financial arrangements benefiting top officials of the gun-rights group, their relatives or close friends, according to board minutes reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The retroactive moves, some involving previously undisclosed transactions, came during two meetings of the NRA board’s audit committee late last year as the gun-rights group was racing to clean up its lax governance practices.
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NRA Board Retroactively Approved Transactions Benefiting Insiders (The Wall Street Journal; September 23, 2019)

How are they not all in jail yet?
 
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This will likely get lost in the noise today, but the Senate inquiry has verified what we all have known since 2016....that the NRA was an active asset for the Kremlin and opened doors for their agents with the promises of pay-offs.

Drawing on contemporaneous emails and private interviews, an 18-month probe by the Senate Finance Committee's Democratic staff found that the NRA underwrote political access for Russian nationals Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin more than previously known — even though the two had declared their ties to the Kremlin.
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NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals (NPR; September 27, 2019)

Wonder who Russia will try to use to funnel tens of millions of dollars to the Trump campaign this time?
 
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