The Official BEYONCE thread [merged]

[Stoowii]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

You certainly sound like a stan. XD

There's already a Beyonce thread, but it isn't my place. =p

As for me, I AM a fan. Not a stan, but a big fan. And yes, in my opinion, she is the greatest entertainer of the generation and I know she isn't done. I mean, in 7 years she's set a lot of records and set the bar high for many other artists. I may be just being bias, but there's certainly a lot of stats and facts to back it up.

"London speed it up, HOUSTON rock it!" \m/

 

[star-warrior]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

I'm old, and may or may not have heard of her entertainment. So the answer is no both questions.

 

[cliffdweller]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

I prefer Mildred Bailey.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

what's a Stan?

Overly obsessive fan that treats their chosen artist as "god" and their words as holy and omnipotent. Came from Eminen's song with Dido, Stan.

As for this question... I like you lucky, but I laughed at the notion of her being the greatest. Sorry, but while she's a good singer, a great entertainer and her team is in order, she's far from a generational telling point.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

who is the greatest entertainer of this generation then? one that will be remembered?

I wouldn't even dream of making such a list.
We can argue for Prince, for instance, but he's a total douche.

 

[JayQueer]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

who is the greatest entertainer of this generation then? one that will be remembered?

1980s -- Michael Jackson, Madonna (tie)
1990s -- Mariah Carey
2000s -- ?
2010s -- Lady Gaga

 

[StlKj]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

When I think of a legend, I think of someone who pushed the boundaries of their craft and made people from all walks of life feel something, not necessarily just from their music, but from the way they lived their lives in front of us. People look to a legend for inspiration, comfort and transcendence.

I don't think she's there yet. There are far too many people who still see her as a little girl playing dress-up. She's a musical princess who has tried to be queen by marrying a king; she doesn't feel like she's yet earned her station. Her rush to stardom feels manufactured. Her music, while incredibly catchy, doesn't pack an emotional wallop that draws you to her. I still see people on social media sites making statements that suggest they like her begrudgingly, or worse, that they really don't like her until she occasionally does something where people think, "oh, she's not so bad after all."

She's plastic and glitter and great beats--to be legend, she has to become substantial. We have to feel her in our lives. Right now, she's just being noticed.

 

[Stoowii]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

1980s -- Michael Jackson, Madonna (tie)
1990s -- Mariah Carey
2000s -- ?
2010s -- Lady Gaga

Beyonce definitely deserves that title. To me, she can actually sing. Plus, in the 2000's, she's sold the most albums. According to VH1 (XD), she has the best song of the 2000's. She's won the most Grammy's in the 2000's and she's broke many other records. I can't think of any now, but I think when Billboard proclaimed her Woman of the Decade, she definitely deserved it.

 

[QuinnRider]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

1980s -- Michael Jackson, Madonna (tie)
1990s -- Mariah Carey
2000s -- ?
2010s -- Lady Gaga

No.

Yes to Michael and Madonna.
No to Mariah. People remember Brittney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Nsync more than her, and Mariah wasn't even the most successful female artist of the 90's. Celine Dion was more popular worldwide for sure and just as popular in the states. Shania Twain was enormous during the 90's, as was Whitney Houston, though less so.
Lady Gaga is on her way, but we will see. Still got a few years left

Beyonce is great, but she does lipsync and she is not a legend, but she is on her way. Lets see her still sell out arenas 30 years into her career like Celine and Madonna do, and then we can call her a Legend. Also, Beyonce isn't the top selling female artist of this past decade.. idk where someone got that from. It's actually Brittney Spears then Celine Dion. [Celine stan over here lol I know her stats though I dont talk mess]

 

[Mrbrightside976]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

No, she sucks. She may be good live, but she copies everything from everyone else. "4" was one of the worst albums ever. She needs to just fade away into obscurity after she has her baby. ex Christina Aguilera.

 

[Stoowii]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

No, she sucks. She may be good live, but she copies everything from everyone else. "4" was one of the worst albums ever. She needs to just fade away into obscurity after she has her baby. ex Christina Aguilera.

But she probably will not.

 

[JayQueer]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

No.

Yes to Michael and Madonna.
No to Mariah. People remember Brittney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Nsync more than her, and Mariah wasn't even the most successful female artist of the 90's. Celine Dion was more popular worldwide for sure and just as popular in the states. Shania Twain was enormous during the 90's, as was Whitney Houston, though less so.
Lady Gaga is on her way, but we will see. Still got a few years left

Mariah Carey was awarded Billboard's "Artist of the Decade award" in 1999 and the World Music Award for the Best-Selling Female Artist of the Millennium.

Mariah Carey was definitely the greatest entertainer of the 1990s. And one of the MOST talented too. Very few performers can match her musical range. Who can forget her hits like "Fantasy", "Dreamlover", "Always be my baby", etc?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq09UkPRdFY&ob=av2n[/ame]

Oh, and her Christmas song from 1994, "All I want for Christmas," still plays regularly on the radio, every November & December, even though that song is now over 15 years old.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXQViqx6GMY[/ame]

 

[Mrbrightside976]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

But she probably will not.

Well think about it. It has happened to a lot of people, Gwen Stefani, Christina, Britney (Now she is back, but when she first had her kids).


We can only hope!

 

[asu1117]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

I don't think that she is original...I don't consider her a music artist so much as a music product. It's a huge distinction. She doesn't even write her own material...

Essentially, she does all of the hard work to represent an image that a label of executives has created. It's not about artistry...it's about selling.

This. She's not as bad as most of her peers, but she's definitely no legend. Especially after her latest album, god what a mess that was.

 

[Stoowii]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

Well think about it. It has happened to a lot of people, Gwen Stefani, Christina, Britney (Now she is back, but when she first had her kids).


We can only hope!

Yeah, you may be right, but something tells me she isn't done. She still has "A Star is Born." We all know she isn't the best actress, but her movies have been getting progressively better. (With the exception of Obsessed XD)

Also, I don't know why people don't like '4.' It's actually my favorite album of her's. XD Shows her vocal ability, especially in 'I Care.'

 

[Greenherbz]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

LOL, definitly not a legend.... I would say very far from it.
She's immensely famous, everyone knows her name..... but legendary!? Idk thats pushing it.
I don't think she has really contributed much of anything.. she just makes catchy songs for all the girls... and it all gets played by the radio stations = mainstream/popular.

I think she is given WAY too much credit. And i also don't think she is that beautiful but I'm gay soooo

 

[refujiunderground]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

her, britney spears, and most of these pop stars pretty much were forced onto us if you ask me. the media and the record companies were like "this is the next biggest thing" instead of the people deciding it because i know for a fact that britney spears and beyonce when they first started didn't have a strong following at all. people didn't give a fuck about them and so my guess is if it were up to the pepole, they wouldn't be where they're at. but because the radio stations, mtv, and other music outlets were playing them 20 times an hour, people eventually started to like them even though they probably wouldn't have if they weren't pushed by the record industry and media as they were at the time.

with that said, there's nothing special about her or britney spears. especially britney spears, she's can't sing, she can't dance, she really can't do shit. she never earned her way to where she's at which is why i can't respect her and will never buy an album from her. she was built by the record industry to a t and she didn't put in an ounce of work at all. i actually blame her for the huge downfall in the music industry because you have a lot of artists with no talent just suddenly coming out of nowhere and because they have one song or write for someone or does whatever, getting a career when they have no business making music. even now, all she has left going for her is tmz and the gossip columns. funny how whenever she puts out a cd, the media goes to work and let's everybody know that she's putting out a record. mtv gave her a lifetime achievement award crowning her as a music icon when she hasn't done anything period. other people write her music, produce her music, teach her how to do other people's dance moves, and basically do all the work for her. all she does is sing and she can't even do that shit right. her voice is horrendous and if she could get a deal off of her voice, that says that anything is possible.

and being that beyonce was in a group that her father dismantled and threw all the people that could have potentially outshined her under the bus to the point where they were and still are blackballed, that speaks a lot of volumes to beyonce's talent. if you were that great, you wouldn't have to ruin other people's chances at a music career because you feel threatened by them. if any of you guys remember dreamgirls and how they were hyping beyonce's performance up in there because i guess they wanted her to branch off into movies or whatever (she appeared in another flick, cadillac records) making her acting skills and singing to be the shit but it ended up being jennifer hudson getting all the praise and publicity and even winning an oscar. beyonce ended up getting the backseat and i'm pretty sure she was jealous of jennifer hudson too. she didn't look to happy when jennifer won the award while she didn't. if anything, i hope jennifer hudson ends up taking beyonce's spot because beyonce certainly didn't get there without ruining other people's lives and dreams.

they're NOT legends and never could be.

 

[breakfast4sex]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

i think rihanna's a smaller version of beyonce. they both make good catchy music. but there's nothing revolutionary about it. none of their songs are gonna be remembered 20 years from now. Britney seems to be it i guess. As for lady gaga, she reached her prime too soon.

 

[Stoowii]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

beyonce ended up getting the backseat and i'm pretty sure she was jealous of jennifer hudson too. she didn't look to happy when jennifer won the award while she didn't. if anything, i hope jennifer hudson ends up taking beyonce's spot because beyonce certainly didn't get there without ruining other people's lives and dreams.

they're NOT legends and never could be.

Let me stop you right there. I actually agreed with all of your post (even the part where Beyonce's dad threw the others under the bus, even being a Beyonce fan myself) till you said this I've quoted. Everyone here has an opinion and I respect it, but I've seen your posts and you seem to be talking out of your ass a lot.

If you do a little bit of research, on the part you say "Beyonce didn't look to happy when she won," Beyonce actually hugged Jennifer Hudson when she won. We can't really tell what she really thought, but based on her other interviews (being the fan that I am, I've seen them) one can only guess she was genuinely happy for her.

As for taking her spot, I don't think so. Being an Entertainer you need the whole package; singing, dancing and stage presence. Jennifer beats Beyonce in voice by a bit, but that's debatable. It depends on control. Beyonce has an above average voice, at least in my opinion, but most of the time doesn't get too much notice since her pop, catchy songs overshadows the fact that she does have a solid voice. Jennifer can't dance and her songs are mostly midtempo, ballads and slow songs. Unless she has the ability as Celine and Mariah, I doubt she'll be there soon.

Make sure you have information to back up what you say.

As for my opinion, I think she IS the entertainer of the decade for the 2000s. It's too much of a coincidence for her to be at the top of too many lists for "best of." Also, she's broken the record for most Grammy's won in one night and I think that counts for something. Previously she tied it with her first album, 5 in one night, tying Norah Jones, Lauryn Hill, Alicia Keys and Amy Winehouse. In 2010, she broke the record and has 6. She also has the 3rd most, 16 behind Aretha's 18. Some people say Grammy's are a joke, but they aren't decided by fans. They're decided by professionals so I think they should know what they are doing.

Tabloids, pre-pregnancy, she seems to have done a good job straying away from them. If you notice, those in them are pretty talentless (ie. Britney, Kim Kardashian.) But then again, I don't read gossip too much, so I may be wrong.

When you hear other artists talk about Beyonce, they do it with the upmost respect. Known artisits, even legends. I've seen Bono, Celine, Mariah, Tina Turner, Barbra Streisand, Cher, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Prince have all said very nice things about her. Correct me if I'm wrong, but who has said the same thing of any other artist in the 2000s? To come from someone knows in the business says something.

She also has countless other accolades for "Best of" or "Most of" but I really can't name from the top of my head. She's won Billboard's Woman of the Decade, has 16 Grammys, sells out crowds and many other things. I would name more, but I'm at work now. XD

 

[Nomenclature]

Re: Is Beyonce a legend? This generation's greatest entertainer?

who is the greatest entertainer of this generation then? one that will be remembered?

Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer of the 20th century, but sadly I think Lady Gaga will be the most remembered of at least the early 2000s. Hopefully, someone comes up with something amazing and original soon; pop artists lately have been really lame.


Don't get me wrong: I respect Lady Gaga as a musician and writer, but I don't care for her stage image at all.