The Official "Big Brother 10" Discussion Thread!

[J-23]

Exactly. Thank you. Janelle was HOH at F5 and was firmly controlled by Will at that point, and so Erika had no reason to believe Janelle would break the tie in Chicken George's favor. It was a Fast Forward eviction and they had no time to discuss it. The two women had a long conversation about all of this afterwards on the live feeds.

I mean...I agree it would have been better to boot Boogie than George, but the fact is Erika had no reason to believe Janelle would go against Will and vote out Boogie, so why cast a lame vote that will just alienate one of her allies later? Also, one can make a reasonable case that Boogie should take Erika to the finals instead of Will because of course he can't beat Will but he can beat Erika! She correctly believed that taking her was a better option for him and so she believed he would do it. Whether or not we think Boogie would have turned on Will or not is irrelevant, at that point it made sense for her to keep Boogie.

I'm sorry J-23, but that's a terrible comparison once you delineate the particulars. Erika may have liked Boogie, but not at the complete expense of her gameplay the way it was with Diane. Here's the comparison:

1. Erika sold out Boogie to save her own ass at F4
2. Boogie had reason to take Erika to the finals over Will
3. Erika got his best friend Will evicted when it mattered
3. Erika essentially placed herself in a terrific F3 position that guaranteed she was going to the finals.

On the flip side:

1. Diane never sold out Drew to save her own ass
2. Drew had NO REASON to take Diane to the finals over Cowboy
3. Diane didn't try to get his best friend Cowboy evicted when it mattered (or ever)
4. Diane essentially placed herself in a horrible F3 situation that all but guaranteed she was not going to the finals.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Erika may have gotten lucky and placed herself in a wonderful position when it came to the F3, but her F4 positioning was HORRIFIC. Did she learn nothing from her first time around? She intentionally chose to be in the house with Will and two people who were guaranteed to take Will to the end. What a fucking joke. I'm an Erika fan and all, but seriously.

And let's get real here, at NO point would Mike have taken Erika to the final two in place of Will. It was much more likely that Drew would have taken Diane. It's not as though having Cowboy sitting alongside him ensured Drew a surefire victory. Don't forget, he only edged out Michael by ONE vote. It was totally within the realm of possibility that Drew would take Diane to the end and then win by receiving Cowboy, Adria, Natalie, and Karen, Nakomis, or Will's votes.

 

[falconfan]

I totally appreciate a gentle, nuanced game (see: BB4 Erika, BB5 Karen), but that's just not how I would describe Drew's strategy. He seriously did nothing. At no point did he subtly plant seeds of doubt in people's minds or inconspicuously spark disagreements between his housemates or imperceptibly persuade people to vote in a particular way or ANYTHING like that. He simply let Diane play the entire game for him because he's nothing more than a mindless frat tool who's used to treating women as objects.

I wouldn't say your description is entirely accurate of Drew but it does remind me very much of Dani from BB8. Which still leads me to the question... if you have someone playing FOR you to win why would you get blood on YOUR hands when you can keep your head down and win.

Janelle stated that, had she been forced to break the tie, she would have evicted Mike.

And voting Mike out over George would have been a brilliant move on Erika's part. She'd have been left in the house with one player incapable of winning pivotal competitions, another player unwilling to win competitions, and a player who was later proven malleable enough to have her long-time adversary convince her to vote out her best friend. Erika would have been sitting pretty at that point. Unfortunately, she voted with her heart rather than her brain and she ended up $450,000 poorer because of it.

What Janelle would've done is irrelevant. What is relevant is what Erika could reasonably assume Janelle would do and considering Janey was firmly in Will's corner and hadn't communicated at all with 'Scrubika' since Will's puppet show... she had no reason to believe voting out George would do anything other than burn a bridge with Boogie. Moreover keeping George would realistically give Janelle and Will someone OTHER than Erika to take to the finals which is a big risk to take on the off chance that Janelle chose to break the tie in her favor.

 

[falconfan]

Sorry, I just don't see it. Erika may have gotten lucky and placed herself in a wonderful position when it came to the F3, but her F4 positioning was HORRIFIC. Did she learn nothing from her first time around? She intentionally chose to be in the house with Will and two people who were guaranteed to take Will to the end. What a fucking joke. I'm an Erika fan and all, but seriously.

And let's get real here, at NO point would Mike have taken Erika to the final two in place of Will. It was much more likely that Drew would have taken Diane. It's not as though having Cowboy sitting alongside him ensured Drew a surefire victory. Don't forget, he only edged out Michael by ONE vote. It was totally within the realm of possibility that Drew would take Diane to the end and then win by receiving Cowboy, Adria, Natalie, and Karen, Nakomis, or Will's votes.

Ummmm what are you smoking? Neither of those people were "guaranteed" to take Will to the end. Will could beat them both and they both knew it. I mean Will's powerful and all but so is a half a million dollars. Now say what you will about Janey or Boogie but neither of them is that stupid.

I feel like your personal preference may be clouding your strategic dissection a bit. (ie. You like Diane so Drew sucks for getting rid of her. You dislike Boogie so Erika sucks for NOT getting rid of him.)

 

[J-23]

I wouldn't say your description is entirely accurate of Drew but it does remind me very much of Dani from BB8. Which still leads me to the question... if you have someone playing FOR you to win why would you get blood on YOUR hands when you can keep your head down and win.

I think that's a legitimate strategy so long as you're actually aware that you're doing it. Maggie, for example, effectively used April, Beau, Jennifer, and Ivette to carry herself to the end. She knew what she was doing and she positioned herself accordingly each week.

Drew... didn't. His thought process was basically, "Uh, dude. I like getting HJs from Diane. I think I'm gonna, like, keep her around. 'Cause, bro: HJs." Thus, his strategy was born. Whatever.

What Janelle would've done is irrelevant. What is relevant is what Erika could reasonably assume Janelle would do and considering Janey was firmly in Will's corner and hadn't communicated at all with 'Scrubika' since Will's puppet show... she had no reason to believe voting out George would do anything other than burn a bridge with Boogie. Moreover keeping George would realistically give Janelle and Will someone OTHER than Erika to take to the finals which is a big risk to take on the off chance that Janelle chose to break the tie in her favor.

Then the same could be said of Diane. Maybe she didn't believe that Nakomis would take her to the end since she raised such a stink about Michael being disloyal to her despite the fact that they were family. Maybe she was positive that Drew would take her to the final two just like Will was positive that Janelle would take HIM to the final three. Like you said, what could have happened is irrelevant.

It's all conjecture, obviously, and I'm not setting out to rip apart Erika's gameplay. I thought she was awesome, and her convincing Janelle to vote out Will remains my favorite move in BB history. I just don't think it's fair to revere Erika as some sort of groundbreaking UTR strategist without also giving Diane her props for running the show in BB5.

 

[J-23]

I feel like your personal preference may be clouding your strategic dissection a bit. (ie. You like Diane so Drew sucks for getting rid of her. You dislike Boogie so Erika sucks for NOT getting rid of him.)

I just don't understand why Erika choosing to evict Chicken George -- leaving her in the house with three people, none of whom would take her to the finals so long as Will was in the house, and all of whom would undoubtedly pummel her if she were to go up against them in the F2 -- is logical, while Diane is a poor player for positioning herself to face off against two morons who, in all likelihood, would probably lose to her in a F2 vote.

A huge part of Big Brother is luck. Had Diane won the final HoH, she'd probably have been the winner of BB5. By that same token, had Erika not won the F5 veto, she'd have been out on her ass. One error doesn't make Diane a bad player.

 

[Jersey Domino]

If you scroll back a little, you'll see some of us already made lists of our favorite seasons/players etc.

Yeah I know that.

But nobody said anything about the actual Big Brother house that each cast lived in.

Or did you factor that in the favorite season question?

 

[falconfan]

I just don't understand why Erika choosing to evict Chicken George -- leaving her in the house with three people, none of whom would take her to the finals so long as Will was in the house, and all of whom would undoubtedly pummel her if she were to go up against them in the F2 -- is logical, while Diane is a poor player for positioning herself to face off against two morons who, in all likelihood, would probably lose to her in a F2 vote.

A huge part of Big Brother is luck. Had Diane won the final HoH, she'd probably have been the winner of BB5. By that same token, had Erika not won the F5 veto, she'd have been out on her ass. One error doesn't make Diane a bad player.

Dude see this is exactly what I mean by your biases. This isn't about Diane. It's about Drew and your earlier claims that he was a moron with no abilities. I have listed, I think quite adequately, a number of signs that Drew did in fact show signs of intelligence and solid game play. I can't point them out any further so I guess we'll agree to disagree.

On a related note if you're unwilling to put yourself at a point where you know only what Erika could've known at that point in time I can't try to explain how her move would make sense either.

 

[Jersey Domino]

This debate over Season 5/All-Stars got me thinking.....What's everyone's favorite Big Brother fight?

Mine's are Shannon Vs Hardy in Season 2

And Keesha, Libra, and Jessie in Season 10.

 

[Laststraw21]

Keesha was amazing. I also loved how April was right next to Keesha when she got it with a fake ass smile, congratulating her and giving her a hug.

 

[aijalon18]

That so isn't true at all. The guy played much better than you're giving him credit for, but let's go with your ridiculous assumption for a minute. IF that's true and Drew is that stupid, and Drew clearly "played Diane" (she herself said this) then doesn't that make Diane STUPIDER???

If that was all Drew was thinking (and it wasn't), then Diane was thinking, "*giggle* I'm gonna keep this hottie around and if I keep giving him hand jobs maybe he'll love me! Yayy! We're in love and he's gonna take me to the end...oh wait he evicted me. Oh well, I'll vote for him to win and he'll love me for sure, right? *giggle, giggle* Oh wait, he just won and he's not talking to me. Oh well, I'll wait for him to call me. I'm sure once things settle down, he'll still love me!"

Diane proceeds to doodle "Drew + Diane" in her notebook for the next few months while Drew bangs some other girl he likes on a bed of money.

I guess we'll never agree but I dont think Drew was making autonomous or conscious decisions. I still think it was mostly luck and ideas he got from Diane who got them from Nakomis. He did play the innocent church boy to full effect Ill give him that. It kept the target off his back from most people. But also he was lucky enough to be in an alliance with complete assholes like Jase and Scott. Both of whom were dominant competitors and had bigger targets because of their personalities.

 

[Absolut]

This thread.

Again.

Really?


It all just came screaming back to me...

 

[Sheik]

Please please please please please please please please please please please please please if Julie Chen has to take time off from BB11 or BB12, can we please have the new host NOT be:

JANELLE
MARCELLAS
or WILL????????

PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sheik]

*gasp!*

I'm offended you think anyone can surpass the Chenbot.

However Will has mentioned about 40 times during his 2 seasons that he is "circuitry and wires" so I guess one robot could replace another...

 

[Sheik]

I was just in that chatroom on that website that streams BB seasons. We were going over possible JC replacements:

Natalie? Eric BB8?

But my fave is JEN BB8!!! Ha ha that'd be awesome TV

Sidenote: I was banned from the chatroom cuz I accidentally made one comment in all caps.

What are we in 1997?

Lame!

 

[lookin4sum1icantrust]

lol, loved it!

 

[mattypants]

lol, loved it at around 3:15 xD

 

[rossignols]

You guys have no idea how excited I am for Big Brother 11.
I really wish they had a Big Brother Canada, since they do have it in every other country.

 

[PATMAN]

I got to thinking about something: In the past they've been saying they are running out of ideas to do... well what if there was actually only 10 or so houseguests, and they had pre-determined "non-elimination" weeks. Of course the houseguests would have no clue which weeks they are, and they would vote all the same as they normally do. But after the voting, it is revealed who got the most votes for eviction, and then they were told "this is a non-eviction week" or something, and the person who was voted out gets to stay.

I have no idea if it would work, but man oh man - if they want drama, that would certainly create INSTANT drama.

 

[bostonboy20]

this was just tweeted!

BB11cast: Finalist calls have been made. Thanks to all who applied in person or via home tape for the upcoming season of Big Brother.

 

[aijalon18]

Does anyone know if they are still doing Showtime after dark?