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The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

Erika was good in All-Stars and deserved to win but to be accurate she didnt play Janelle. She told Janelle the truth about Will playing her. While the CT guys were playing Erika as well. They were using Erika as much as they were using Janelle. That's why it was operation double date. Playing someone is not telling them the truth about something. Playing someone is like the boys convincing Erika to get rid of Danielle, when she obviously had no intention of doing so at that ime.

We all know Janelle isnt the best strategist. But to be fair to her CT didnt play her the entire game. It wasnt until Kaysar and Howie were gone and James had completely turned on her that she began working with CT. In fact Will and Mike complained about how Janelle ignored them for the first several weeks.

At first Janelle was actually being smart and getting rid of good competitors who were after her like Allison, Diane, and Jase. But an alliance that is open has no shot b/c they cant win forever. And the first time season 6 didnt have HOH things fell apart. Eventually she had no choice but to work with CT. But then she developed real feelings for Will and lost all common sense.
 
Erika was good in All-Stars and deserved to win but to be accurate she didnt play Janelle. She told Janelle the truth about Will playing her. While the CT guys were playing Erika as well. They were using Erika as much as they were using Janelle. That's why it was operation double date. Playing someone is not telling them the truth about something. Playing someone is like the boys convincing Erika to get rid of Danielle, when she obviously had no intention of doing so at that ime.

We all know Janelle isnt the best strategist. But to be fair to her CT didnt play her the entire game. It wasnt until Kaysar and Howie were gone and James had completely turned on her that she began working with CT. In fact Will and Mike complained about how Janelle ignored them for the first several weeks.

At first Janelle was actually being smart and getting rid of good competitors who were after her like Allison, Diane, and Jase. But an alliance that is open has no shot b/c they cant win forever. And the first time season 6 didnt have HOH things fell apart. Eventually she had no choice but to work with CT. But then she developed real feelings for Will and lost all common sense.


Well said.

And I never said you said Erika was a great player but in your post I only see you praising her like she was one.
 
I do agree though Aratron that Janelle played better on Season 6. When I said she had zero game, I should have clarified: on All-Stars Janelle had zero game.
 
Erika was good in All-Stars and deserved to win but to be accurate she didnt play Janelle. She told Janelle the truth about Will playing her. While the CT guys were playing Erika as well. They were using Erika as much as they were using Janelle. That's why it was operation double date. Playing someone is not telling them the truth about something. Playing someone is like the boys convincing Erika to get rid of Danielle, when she obviously had no intention of doing so at that time.

Oh there's no question that CT played Erika too. All I meant was that Erika played Janelle by pretending to be cozy with Season 6 for the first four weeks they were in power (Kaysar even thought Erika was his side alliance!) and then convincing her to vote out Will. Once Janelle had stupidly evicted Chicken George, she pretty much had to win F4 POV and Final 3 HOH against three decent competitors no matter what. It was great that she voted out Will but it didn't make her situation any better since Erika was arguably even better at comps than Will, and I still don't believe she really wanted to go to the finals with Janelle (especially since on the feeds, Erika was convinced the night before the finale that she could beat Boogie). Whether Janelle voted out Will or Erika at F4 therefore made no real difference (Will himself said he thought Janelle would regret that decision and indeed she did since she didn't even get a chance to play in Part III of the Final HOH), the only person it made a difference to was Erika, who got to the finals.

But to be fair to her CT didnt play her the entire game. It wasnt until Kaysar and Howie were gone and James had completely turned on her that she began working with CT. In fact Will and Mike complained about how Janelle ignored them for the first several weeks.

If she was ignoring a HUGE pair -- who so obviously needed to be split up and one of whom was the best manipulator in BB history and had won the game before -- then that means CT did something right in terms of laying low and playing Janelle (and the Season 6 alliance in general). I remember Will daring Kaysar to nominate him once, and Kaysar (ever the dumbass) saying, "I'm not going to play your game." In other words: "I'm gonna show you up by NOT nominating you. So there!" Um, good one chief.

At first Janelle was actually being smart and getting rid of good competitors who were after her like Allison, Diane, and Jase. But an alliance that is open has no shot b/c they cant win forever. And the first time season 6 didnt have HOH things fell apart. Eventually she had no choice but to work with CT. But then she developed real feelings for Will and lost all common sense.

I totally agree with this (see? I'm not just trying to argue with you). Janelle got a lot of flack for her evictions, but I'm glad someone else pointed out that -- unlike Kaysar and James -- she actually got out people who were personal threats to her. I'll give Janelle this much: she was always the best player in her alliance.
 
:rotflmao:ok, who else nearly died laughing when Britney and Brendon were in the Diary Room together, and he was just blabbing away like he always does, and she mouthed "HELP ME!" LMAO!!!! That killed me.... hahaha
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I loved it Patman. Brenda is boring with a capital BORING -- and despite what some people have misinterpreted here, everyone in the house feels this way about him, even those who are using him right now to get further in the game -- and Britney's reactions to him are always funny.

In fact their interaction is what will make it SO DELICIOUS if they end up in the finals together (an outcome I am rooting for hardcore), not only because it's a good shot for Britney to win, but also because it will be hilarious watching her have to interact with Brendan that whole week leading up to the finale. LOL!

BTW does anyone know how they're doing the finale this season? I hope they don't go into the finale with three people like they did last year. Doing that robs the final juror of a chance to talk to the other jurors, gather information, and ask a real question.
 
Wow, I knew Matt was a lousy player, but watching his DR sessions just makes that even clearer. He really has NO idea that the Brigade played him this week; it's ironic that he was called The Brains of that alliance when actually, all the other three members outfoxed him. It was hilarious watching everyone in the House talk about evicting him and Matt at the end is still all, "Oh the Brigade took a hit this week." Dude, you're no longer in the Brigade! Get a clue!

I'm even more convinced now that he's not going to sell them out to try to save himself, not because it's a bad idea (indeed, it would be his only shot) but because he's a terrible reader of people, and he has no idea that they just got him.
 
The guy from Reality Blurred is spot on. I'm glad CBS' producers gave him a behind the scenes look at the show. And he's right, there's very little strategy in this show.

Also did anyone see Lane's dick slip? I'm straight now.
From Reality blurred:


The problem with Big Brother 12, or why I’m having trouble caring now
Big Brother 12 »
by Andy Dehnart / August 24, 2010, 10:03 PM
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Typically, seasons of Big Brother follow a predictable arc. The houseguests move in and have a calm week or two as they get to know their competition, voting out the person who stands out either the most or the least. Soon, though, their boredom and time together leads to real relationships and thus alliances, which nearly always shift, change, and collapse, often in spectacular ways. That’s the fun part. Eventually, after most of the houseguests are eliminated, the season limps into its finale with a few boring weeks. The conflicts are over, and the final, lame-ass challenges usually catapult horrifying people into the final two to win the prize, although that’s not always the case. Then we all stick our fingers into our brains and purge and pretend we didn’t just waste two months.

This season, however, had a long, slow burn of nothingness for more than a month. It was excruciatingly boring and uneventful. The twist was an absolute bust, as was its lame reincarnation, and it was so bad we were left to speculate wildly about another possible twist, but alas, there was nothing. Jeff and Jordan showed up; no one cared. The challenges have been so-so—not utterly stupid or unfair, but just average at best.

This past week or so, however, things got interesting and thoroughly entertaining—even though and/or because one of the primary antagonists, Rachel, left the house. After the quasi-dramatic eviction last week, things were ready to pick up as The Brigade, arguably one of the most successful alliances ever if only because it stayed together and stayed hidden the entire season, started to crumble. Three of its members turned on a fourth but were thwarted by his secret power, which should have stirred things up. I should also be dancing for joy at the potential for Matt to go home either next week or, if nominee Brendon wins the veto competition, even this week.

Yet I could barely stand Sunday’s episode. A big part of that, I think, is due to the length of time it took to get to this point; three episodes a week of nothingness week after week is exhausting, and not in a good way. Had this happened a month ago, the season might been starting to go somewhere.

But even after that drama, it’s treading water. Sunday, after we saw the Bridade fracture, there was little more than the houseguests performing to the camera in the diary room as the producers killed time with sequences about exciting things such as a moth. Lane can be funny, like when he compared himself to Britney’s boyfriend, but Lane’s not funny when he’s trying to be funny, and I got the impression that all of the houseguests were given some kind of pep talk this week about being more lively in the diary room. Increasingly, it seems like they’re performing because they have very little to truly get upset about or laugh at, and seem to be reaching.

Usually part of the fun of Big Brother is comparing—and getting frustrated with—the oversimplified version of complex strategy that ends up on the three episodes. This year, the editors have basically nothing to work with so we basically see all the strategy, what little there is. And there have been no real scandals, which is why a guy pleasuring himself in the shower and another guy sneaking food have gotten the most attention in the past week. That’s the most interesting producer manipulation, the lack of punishment for eating food? The whole idea of have-nots is moronic, pointless, and consistently uninteresting anyway that I just don’t care.

Big Brother has a structural problem that no other elimination series has, whether it’s The Amazing Race or Top Chef or Survivor. That’s in part because those shows are edited with knowledge of the outcome, and thus can build a narrative arc over time, getting us to love some people and loathe others. Big Brother cannot, and must rely instead on continual power shifts for drama, which is why the game has its often-frustrating HOH-nominee-veto structure.

That has worked well sometimes, but it’s nowhere near as consistent in delivering good television as Survivor’s structure is. This season, Big Brother’s producers found themselves with a group of people who were largely unwilling to engage each other on any significant level, instead resorting to petty sniping and self-aggrandizing diary room interviews to make them seem more interesting than they actually are. They actually seem to like each other, for the most part, though some are in for a hard landing (like awful judge of character Ragan).

What’s really crippling this season is the casting. I don’t want a season of asshole racists, but I do want a season of people able and willing to play, whether they’re smart and witty or dumb and delusional.

One of the most striking things is what executive producer Rich Meehan told me and a few critics as we were standing on the balcony of the soundstage house during our tour: This year, the houseguests have ignored the chess board and couches outside the HOH room. That has been a prime location for strategizing in year’s past, but in season 12, there has been basically no strategizing, and when there has, we’ve made it out to be much more than it is because that’s all we have.

It’s like getting a poorly frosted and decorated mini-cupcake and pretending it’s a stunning sheet cake because it’s been so long since we’ve seen any cake. The irony is that I’m still watching, and so are more people than have watched all summer long. Maybe those new viewers are being rewarded for waiting until now to show up. The rest of us may still get some frosting this season, but I fear it’s going to be three more weeks of searching for sprinkles.

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/big_brother_12/2010_Aug_24_review
 
I loved it Patman. Brenda is boring with a capital BORING -- and despite what some people have misinterpreted here, everyone in the house feels this way about him, even those who are using him right now to get further in the game -- and Britney's reactions to him are always funny.

In fact their interaction is what will make it SO DELICIOUS if they end up in the finals together (an outcome I am rooting for hardcore), not only because it's a good shot for Britney to win, but also because it will be hilarious watching her have to interact with Brendan that whole week leading up to the finale. LOL!
Dont get subliminal with me you shrew. lol. I know that no one is inviting Brendan over for Thanksgiving. My only point is they dont hate him with passion like Britney and Ragan do and wouldnt vote for him no matter what. And the remaining brigade members would vote for him in the end. The boys, including Matt, have mentioned if Brendon made it to the end he deserves to win. The entire house was against him since week one and he's still there.

The whole debate got started b/c you said Britney would beat Brendon in the end b/c she'd have every vote save Rachel's. I don't think that close to the truth. She has a better shot with Brendon than most people. But she doesnt nearly have the votes secured to beat him.

Anyways, It was a good show tonight. Matt thinking the brigade was fighting for him to get Ragan on the block was hilarious. He's gonna feel like the biggest clown. I'm kinda nervous to see Ragan's diary room. Remember how long he was in it when he found out his beloved Matt had betrayed him. Plus Lane is kinda cute how he talks to Britney. personally, if I was her fiance I would be thrilled with their relationship. She's just putty in his hands. She's as bad as Janelle.
 
I still think you're wrong about Brendan's chances in the finals because what people say while they are still within the context of a game is VERY different from what they would do outside the game -- unencumbered by strategic restrictions -- when they are fee to vote however they damn well want, and people almost always vote for who they like more/hate less.

I mean yes, if I was planning on taking Brendan to the finals but didn't want other people to get the same idea, I'd keep saying "I'm going to vote for him to win" too, you know? In other words, of course Enzo/Lane/Hayden are going to keep telling each other that Brendan is a threat. I'm sure secretly they'd all LOVE to be in the finals with Brendan, but say for example F3 is Hayden/Lane/Brendan, if I were Hayden and Lane, I would want to make sure the other guy in my alliance thinks Brendan is a bigger threat to win so they'll take me if they win Final HOH. This happens EVERY season aijalon. On the feeds, players say they'll vote for one person and not vote for another, but then they get on the jury and do something completely different. And that's because on the jury, they no longer have to care about advancing themselves in a game, so they vote (as is human nature) on personal stuff.

All that being said, I must admit I'm starting to root for Brendan a little. I still think he's a drip and a bad player -- and I know this is totally the underdog thing -- but I would love it if he and Britney went to the finals, and not just because I think she'd win. Thing is, Brendan would totally go for it. I wish Britney would stop auditioning roommates for her condo or whatever and just team up with Brendan because it would actually benefit her.

Oh and btw I corrected myself in a more recent post and said that Britney would beat Brendan 5-2, not 6-1 (assuming Kathy votes for Brendan). But I stand by my prediction of the victor in that scenario and I wish those two would just team up already so I can be proven right.
 
One more thing: officially I'm predicting Hayden to win the whole shebang. At the very least, he'll make it to F3.
 
I hate Jessie's Mr. Pectacular b.s. but his body was smoking hot. Sorry, I like muscles.
I thought Jessie looked hot too and I dont like that much muscle. I dont get why people hate him so much. I dont take his Mr. Pectacular crap seriously. To me it's never been serious when he says it. But people used to get really bent out of shape over it.
 
I still think you're wrong about Brendan's chances in the finals because what people say while they are still within the context of a game is VERY different from what they would do outside the game -- unencumbered by strategic restrictions -- when they are fee to vote however they damn well want, and people almost always vote for who they like more/hate less.

I mean yes, if I was planning on taking Brendan to the finals but didn't want other people to get the same idea, I'd keep saying "I'm going to vote for him to win" too, you know? In other words, of course Enzo/Lane/Hayden are going to keep telling each other that Brendan is a threat. I'm sure secretly they'd all LOVE to be in the finals with Brendan, but say for example F3 is Hayden/Lane/Brendan, if I were Hayden and Lane, I would want to make sure the other guy in my alliance thinks Brendan is a bigger threat to win so they'll take me if they win Final HOH. This happens EVERY season aijalon. On the feeds, players say they'll vote for one person and not vote for another, but then they get on the jury and do something completely different. And that's because on the jury, they no longer have to care about advancing themselves in a game, so they vote (as is human nature) on personal stuff.

Oh and btw I corrected myself in a more recent post and said that Britney would beat Brendan 5-2, not 6-1 (assuming Kathy votes for Brendan). But I stand by my prediction of the victor in that scenario and I wish those two would just team up already so I can be proven right.
Sorry but it's clear you cant be unbiased with your Britney stanning. Yes people say all tiypes of bullshit on the feeds and then do the opposite when they are on jury. But people say they'll vote a certain way and stick to it as well. Your theory just doesnt hold weight.

Also you cant always compare to every season. This season was quite different than most seasons. If Brendon does make it to the end he'll be the first person who had a target on his back since day one to make it all the way to the end. People are not gonna overlook that b/c of Britney's tired Sarah Silverman routine.
 
That was a boring show. I agree with the poster above about how this has been a shitty season. I just want this to be over with. Hopefully the double eviction tonight will be Enzo or Hayden.

I am surprise that Matt is being so dumb right now. Did he really think that he was back in the Bridgade? Poor Ragan....he really was Matt's friend.
 
:rotflmao:ok, who else nearly died laughing when Britney and Brendon were in the Diary Room together, and he was just blabbing away like he always does, and she mouthed "HELP ME!" LMAO!!!! That killed me.... hahaha
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I did. I also laughed out loud when she said, "Mother of God, can we not get one person out of this house?!"
 
^^^^^ It was funny how she was making faces etc. And she is as dumb as a rock because she let another dumb as a rock (Lane) pull the wool over her eyes. Seeing as how there are only seven people in the house and 6 play for veto she could easily have put up someone and backdoored Bren but she chose to break her word and put him up front and he played like a demon from hell to win the veto and she should have been wise enough to know that.

Now Brendan is not even the top guy the THREE (3) brigade members want out. Now they want Ragan and Brit gone and then deal with Brendan. Hope he scopes out the field and gets to the final 2, just to show this lame ass thick headed dolts that they should be playing instead of scooting along on their pool skills.
 
Jesse looked smoking hot. Love that crazy guy, and his crazy personna. Good to see Grodner threw him into the mix again.
 
Sorry but it's clear you cant be unbiased with your Britney stanning. Yes people say all tiypes of bullshit on the feeds and then do the opposite when they are on jury. But people say they'll vote a certain way and stick to it as well. Your theory just doesnt hold weight.

Also you cant always compare to every season. This season was quite different than most seasons. If Brendon does make it to the end he'll be the first person who had a target on his back since day one to make it all the way to the end. People are not gonna overlook that b/c of Britney's tired Sarah Silverman routine.

You're conflating "prediction" and "wish." For example, I wish Britney would make it to the finals, but I don't predict that will happen because she narrowed her options this week and she'll be lucky to survive the double eviction. And I'm not basing my jury-vote predictions on bias (for example, I think Britney would lose to almost anyone else except Brendan and maybe Ragan. See?), I'm basing it on interactions I've seen on the feeds, and 12 seasons of human behavior that plays out on this show (and yes that IS relevant despite your non-refute).

In fact I've criticized my favorite (Britney) and given Brenchel vestigial credit for things, far more than you have for those you hate most/hate least. Under your criteria then, one could easily say your predictions are biased as well. But unlike you, I'm not stating that because it's a pointless way to debate. It's clear you don't have the feeds or you're just interpreting what you see in a different way (in my opinion, an incorrect way, but time will tell).

Also, I tried y'all. I tried to give Brendan the benefit of the doubt -- especially now that he's in the game without Rachel -- but last night I listened to him talk for an hour on the feed and I was bored to tears (and you could see the others were too). This guy just had NO social interaction skills and he's such a drip.
 
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