The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

[Sgt Pepper]

^^ I agree falconfan. It likely won't work, but it would at least be interesting to watch Britney TRY. It's so boring just watching all these people roll over and accept their evictions. First Matt, then Ragan, and now Britney. I respect it so much more when people at least try; even if it amounts to nothing, why not go down swinging?

Britney should tell Enzo, "Look you're not gonna win that Final HOH, and neither of those guys is gonna take you. Keep me and I'll take you to the finals. I can't win against Hayden anyway so I'll keep my word to you and take you to the end." Lord knows Britney is more likely to win that Final HOH than Enzo. She could also sweeten the deal by telling Enzo that he wouldn't be betraying Lane by evicting him because Lane was already going to betray Enzo had he won POV.

If it's Enzo vs Britney in the finals, Enzo would still win by my count anyway -- he'd get Rachel/Brendan/Kathy/Matt for sure, and Hayden most likely. Only Ragan and Lane would vote for Britney.

But of course, she won't do any of this because that's just how this season goes.

 

[Tony the Tiger]

She cried? She's so useless. Why would you cry? Either way they saved her sorry ass for a while so what's the difference? All she had to do was win a couple comps toward the end and she could have won. Did she think the boys were just gonna take her to the end b/c she has big tits and a wonky eye?

LOL @ wonky eye

 

[falconfan]

If it's Enzo vs Britney in the finals, Enzo would still win by my count anyway -- he'd get Rachel/Brendan/Kathy/Matt for sure, and Hayden most likely. Only Ragan and Lane would vote for Britney.

But of course, she won't do any of this because that's just how this season goes.

Not that we'll ever know but I see there being a possibility of Brit snagging Rach/Bren over Enzo because by Rachel's bizarre defenition she's not a "floater"

 

[Sgt Pepper]

^^ I seriously doubt it. Britney has pissed Rachel and Brendan off at different intervals, betrayed both of them, talked shit about them, and on top of all that, it was very clear from last week's sneak peek at the the jury that they're not happy with her. Britney could probably get Brenchel's vote against Lane -- who hasn't said two words to them all season long -- but she couldn't get it against Enzo who both Rachel and Brendan like, and who never betrayed them.

Plus if Enzo took out Lane, I think it would seem like an awesome F4 surprise attack that would win Enzo jury points. Especially since the Brigade pretty much screwed everyone else over.

On top of that, its not like Enzo would lose Brigade votes by doing this. He wasn't getting Lane anyway, Hayden could still vote for him, and Matt isn't voting for Britney no matter what.

 

[aijalon18]

Britney would NEVER get Brenchel's vote over Lane. They didnt interact much with him but Britney has permanent placed herself on their shit list. There's no way she could get their votes. But maybe being the awesome, strategic power player that she is, the others will just give her their votes.

 

[falconfan]

I think you guys underestimate how competition obsessed Rachel is. It determined her whole strategy.

 

[joesman]

^^ I agree falconfan. It likely won't work, but it would at least be interesting to watch Britney TRY. It's so boring just watching all these people roll over and accept their evictions. First Matt, then Ragan, and now Britney. I respect it so much more when people at least try; even if it amounts to nothing, why not go down swinging?

Britney should tell Enzo, "Look you're not gonna win that Final HOH, and neither of those guys is gonna take you. Keep me and I'll take you to the finals. I can't win against Hayden anyway so I'll keep my word to you and take you to the end." Lord knows Britney is more likely to win that Final HOH than Enzo. She could also sweeten the deal by telling Enzo that he wouldn't be betraying Lane by evicting him because Lane was already going to betray Enzo had he won POV.

If it's Enzo vs Britney in the finals, Enzo would still win by my count anyway -- he'd get Rachel/Brendan/Kathy/Matt for sure, and Hayden most likely. Only Ragan and Lane would vote for Britney.

But of course, she won't do any of this because that's just how this season goes.

I don't think Enzo has it in him to break with his Brigade pals. I think the history and getting to the final 3 means too much to his simple mind. Besides, the idiot never knows when to shut-the-fuck-up.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Britney would NEVER get Brenchel's vote over Lane. They didnt interact much with him but Britney has permanent placed herself on their shit list. There's no way she could get their votes. But maybe being the awesome, strategic power player that she is, the others will just give her their votes.

A lot of people thought the same thing about Dan on BB10, after he screwed over Michelle and Ollie. But Memphis -- very much like Lane -- hadn't bonded with them at all, and that netted Dan their vote easily. Maggie screwed over Howie and Rachel and they still voted for her mostly because Rachel was closer to Maggie and hated Ivette. And so on and so forth. It happens all the time. Rachel said many times on the feeds she didn't want someone like Lane to win the game because she considered him a boring floater and really -- I can't stress this enough -- she didn't have ANY interaction with Lane whatsoever! Really, it was almost hilarious. I've had the feeds for 7 seasons in a row and I've never seen a houseguest last as long as Rachel did and say so little to another houseguest. And that's Lane's fault too, and it would easily cost him Brenchel's vote. Don't forget that even after Britney betrayed Brendan, he still said he wanted to take her to the finals and still said he respected her gameplay. He would never say that about Lane.

But I disagree with falconfan about Enzo. I think he would get Brenchel's vote over Britney, especially if he made a bold move like ousting Lane. Brenchel actually did bond with Enzo, they liked him quite a bit, and I
think he came out of the FFwd eviction looking like he hadn't betrayed Brendan as much as Hayden had.

None of this matters though; its all pointless speculation. Like everyone else this dull season, Britney is just going to accept her eviction and not even make a play for it, and Enzo (for the reasons joesman cited) wouldn't go for it anyway.

 

[Adrock-JD]

I don't think they ganged up on Britney when they told her about the brigade and what they did behind the scenes to get people voted out, including Matt and why they got Matt out. Brit took it all right until Hayden came into the room and told her he was not using the PoV, but he didn't tell her she was a goner. Eventually she as going to cry because she cries at everything. As a matter of fact when Hayden won HoH she isolated herself. Hayden is the one who told her she should keep playing and working at it. When he won PoV I think she knew but she still chose to hang alone for awhile.

The thing that most annoys me about all these people is that they lose sight of what they are doing in that house. The brigade, as much as I hate(d) them they were at least always playing even when it was boring as watching a snail move. Now that they have laid it out about the moves they made it all comes together as great play. It's hearing all of it play by play that it becomes crystal.

Still for Hayden to win.

Well, no, they weren't mean to her. I just felt sorry for her being all alone in the situation. There was nothing she could do. It was over.

I felt uncomfortable for her while I was watching it. I'm always a softy for the underdog.

I can't imagine the kind of psychological stress these people are under being trapped in that house for three months with basically a bunch of strangers. All of them lying to you. I think the guys (Enzo, Lane, Hayden) handled it very well. I'm really proud of Hayden for not letting his showmance ruin his game play. Lane has also shown a lot of restraint towards Britney. He hasn't been really forceful with his flirting. He's just let her know that he's interested and left the next move, if any, up to her. She says she is worried about her engagement when she gets out. Can't blame her, they have no information on the outside world to go on.

 

[falconfan]

At the end of the day Brit took things in stride, I think rather respectfully. She's had a good cry got it out of her system and then just got back to hanging with the boys. It might have been obvious to us since day 1 that she wasn't in the in crowd but she legitimately thought she was in a final 3 alliance with Hayden and Lane, two guys who she enjoyed hanging out with and got along really well with.

 

[joesman]

At the end of the day Brit took things in stride, I think rather respectfully. She's had a good cry got it out of her system and then just got back to hanging with the boys. It might have been obvious to us since day 1 that she wasn't in the in crowd but she legitimately thought she was in a final 3 alliance with Hayden and Lane, two guys who she enjoyed hanging out with and got along really well with.

The problem with her as with Ragan was that they never ever said alliance to anyone. They were always, and she said this to Enzo and Lane when they were telling her about their alliance, saying everyone was a pair and never tried to move beyond that.

I may be out here but I would have suspected Lane, Hayden and Enzo in an alliance from early on because they were all good ole boys hanging together. Anyone who has been around good ole boys know they hang and stick up for each other. Even Brenchel said it was too early for alliances.

Like Jessie and Nat last season, Brenchel did not hang out with anyone except the people who came to HoH room. Jeff and Jordan did the same thing by hanging out in the by.

 

[falconfan]

No last year was a perfectly average year where one clique forms in the HOH room and another clique forms in the backyard and they segregate from each other. This one followed more of Season 7 arc where there was one (or in this case 2) oddman out and the house was so consumed with them that they never bothered form fully functional self contained alliances aside from one group (the Brigade in this case Chilltown in season 7) that existed long before said obsession was sparked. The primary difference being that Chilltown was always upfront with their existence whereas the Brigade kept themselves hidden.

That being said I really do remember reading that Hayden and Lane made a F3 Deal with Brit two weeks or so ago, maybe when she was HOH.

 

[aijalon18]

Brit handled everything like a hypocritical punk bitch as usual. That's why hated her almost as much as Ragan. She deserves to feel alone and helpless. She's a rotten bitch to the core. She loved the fact that Brendon was alone and was mad at the boys for even talking to him. Ragan was the same way. They love for others to suffer but when it's turned on them both of those little dramatic bitches cry about how unfair life is.

Britney getting Rachel's vote is complete nonsense. If anyone has been paying attention to this season, above all else, Rachel is a personal player who goes after people she doesnt like for personal reasons. hHe never ended up nominating the biggest threats. She always nominated people she didnt like. She would never vote for Britney.

And Brendon wouldnt either. He hates her more than Rachel. And even though they are competition obsessed, she hasnt won shit in ages. Which goes to show you how her wins were luck and bullshit cirumstances. If she was any good she would be doing better now that there's less people. I know that throws a wrench in the Britney is magic camp's fantasy but it's the truth.

On another note I hate those hiding prize challenges. The worst was Season 8. That's what made me hate Daniele Donato. SHe was a nast bitch for hiding hers in the house slop that everyone had to eat.

 

[MailBoxWater]

For me, this season is easily summed up in three words: I HATE ENZO.

 

[Blueboy369]

How could you not love Enzo!!

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

This is the first season of Big Brother ever that I just completely stopped watching, I'm usually hooked on this show but this season has been so bad I haven't been watching the last couple of episodes. I will watch on finale night to see Hayden win but only because Survivor will premiere that night.

With the ratings this season there will probably be another season, I just hope they do a better job with casting next season.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

If anyone has been paying attention to this season,

I know that throws a wrench in the Britney is magic camp's fantasy but it's the truth.

Speaking of paying attention to the season and throwing wrenches into fantasies, your prediction that the guys would have voted for Brendan in the finals because they were starting to like him has already been refuted: Enzo and Hayden have spent the past few nights talking alone about how annoying Brendan was, how he thought he was smarter/a better player than he really was, and how they'd never give him the money because then Rachel would get it too.

And Brendon wouldnt either. He hates her more than Rachel.

Two nights before the FF eviction (when Brendan left the house) he had one of his marathon speeches to himself on the live feeds, and he said that Britney had grown on him, that he respected her game, and that he wanted to go to the finals with her. And Rachel has always consistently said that she respects Britney as a game-player, even when she was less than happy with her. In fact it was Rachel who instructed Brendan to stick with Britney the week Rachel knew she was leaving.

They don't love her, but they respect her game (even if you don't), and they certainly would vote for her over Lane who they 1) don't respect and 2) never talked to.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

This one followed more of Season 7 arc where there was one (or in this case 2) oddman out and the house was so consumed with them that they never bothered form fully functional self contained alliances aside from one group (the Brigade in this case Chilltown in season 7)

Well...sort of. That was certainly the state of play for the second half of the season where Janelle played the role currently played by Brenchel, but for the first half of the season there was a dominant alliance (Season 6) battling the rest of the House.

That being said I really do remember reading that Hayden and Lane made a F3 Deal with Brit two weeks or so ago, maybe when she was HOH.

They did. This is why Britney chose to go to F4 with them because she believed they would vote for her to stay over Enzo.

 

[Salemite]

I didn't even watch Sunday's episode because I was so disinterested.

Wednesday's episode is being pre-taped tomorrow so it'll be pointless to watch as well. We'll already know who was evicted as well as the outcome of the endurance competition before the episode even airs. (This is another reason I hate BB airing on Wednesdays instead of Tuesdays -- too much time between the POV comp/ceremony and the episode. It feels like old material by the time we see it on CBS.)

I'll watch Thursday's episode because I wanna see who in the brigade gets fucked over... but then I'll probably skip Sunday's episode with the final two reminiscing about this snoozefest of a season and just watch the finale next Wednesday.

 

[aijalon18]

Speaking of paying attention to the season and throwing wrenches into fantasies, your prediction that the guys would have voted for Brendan in the finals because they were starting to like him has already been refuted: Enzo and Hayden have spent the past few nights talking alone about how annoying Brendan was, how he thought he was smarter/a better player than he really was, and how they'd never give him the money because then Rachel would get it too.

I explained SEVERAL times that isnt what I said. I was making the point that Britney didnt have the guys votes 100% if she made it to the end with Brendan. They would go back and forth with what they said. All the guys including Matt said on the feeds they would give Brendan the money if he made it to the end b/c of how hard he fought to get there. The house changes day to day. If Brendan survived and Britney had gone, they'd prolly be bitching about how Britney was such a spoiled princess and they would have never given her the money. And they'd be saying Brendan IS an awesome player for lasting so long in the game. People always talk shit about someone no longer in the game.

Two nights before the FF eviction (when Brendan left the house) he had one of his marathon speeches to himself on the live feeds, and he said that Britney had grown on him, that he respected her game, and that he wanted to go to the finals with her. And Rachel has always consistently said that she respects Britney as a game-player, even when she was less than happy with her. In fact it was Rachel who instructed Brendan to stick with Britney the week Rachel knew she was leaving.

They don't love her, but they respect her game (even if you don't), and they certainly would vote for her over Lane who they 1) don't respect and 2) never talked to.

You're making wild assumptions and conclusions as usual. You have no idea how they will feel about Britney's deception after they talk things out and jury house. And Brendan obviously wanted Britney on his side. everybody says they wanna go to the end with everybody. His whole point of being handcuffed to her was strategy. Duh. But of course we're thinking in Britneyverse so Brendan must have meant it.

Plus all this so called game that Britney had was in the beginning when Rachel was there. She hasnt won shit in ages so there's nothing left to respect. You have no idea if they respect Lane or not. Just b/c they never talked to them. that's bullshit.