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the official KAREN CARPENTER thread :)

Re: Was My Biggest Idol Karen Carpenter Gay Friendly?

Karen Carpenter?

Geeez, Madonna, you are truly, perfectly hopeless.

another Slam on me. I can idolize who I want to. And she's unlike most divas today who are so fake. Listen to her live recordings.. its so identical to the studio recordings.. its scary. Her voice is natural and gifted
 
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another Slam on me. I can idolize who I want to. And she's unlike most divas today who are so fake. Listen to her live recordings.. its so identical to the studio recordings.. its scary. Her voice is natural and gifted
I can admire... in fact I DO admire Karen's talent, like Julie Andrews' or , but the fact that they were grrreat singers doesn't make the songs they sang any less shitty.
 
Re: Was My Biggest Idol Karen Carpenter Gay Friendly?

Karen Carpenter?

Geeez, Madonna, you are truly, perfectly hopeless.

Geez, the guy was only asking a question...

How many of us have wondered similar things about other famous people (especially if they are/were favorite celebrities of ours), but didn't ask publicly?

The only difference is that the question escaped Madonna's "thought-balloon" (if one were to sketch an artist's rendition) and got posted in a place where somebody might, just might, have the answer.
 
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrAA6VMIPb0[/ame]

How terribly odd....
 
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There's a made-for-TV movie back there someplace, too. What sticks out to me is this scene where one of Karen's therapists (she had been in in-patient tx for anorexia) brought in Karen's mom as part of the treatment, and (as I recall)explained that at the root of Karen's problems is the feeling -- unfounded of course -- that she wasn't really loved by mom and dad. Mom responded that of course that wasn't true, and the therapist continued by asking Mrs. Carpenter to hug Karen.

TV Carpenter Mom refused to do so. ~"We don't do things like that in our family,"~ was her verbal response, and her body language was stiff, always.

I think the biggest thing that made me cringe at the scene at the time was the therapist's error. He should never have set up an intervention like that without knowing ahead of time how it would turn out.

Later (much), I saw the "Superstar" Barbie movie and, wickedly, I thought it was awesome.

I don't envy Karen her life.
 
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I hear she ate gay babies for breakfast.
 
Re: Was My Biggest Idol Karen Carpenter Gay Friendly?

She was a great singer...one of the greatest. And to address belamy, she rarely recorded a "shitty" song. Bacharach/David, Paul Williams, Carole King...they didn't write shitty songs.

I met Karen in 1978 and only spoke with her briefly, but have followed the Carpenters since 1969, and have many biographies, newsletters, et cetera on Karen and Richard.

Karen knew that many of her fans were gay men, and there's no evidence to suggest that this fact bothered her in any way. She was a very private person, a very gracious lady, and not a "diva" by any stretch of the imagination.

Her death was doubly-tragic because she had returned to a healthy weight, and was very optimistic about her full recovery from her anorexia nervosa. However, no one realized how much damage had been done to her heart muscles, which is why she died from a heart attack.

Both Carpenters tended to vote Republican, but one gets the very clear impression that they were really more libertarian...fiscal conservatives, social liberals.

Karen certainly wouldn't have said that you (or anyone else) is going to hell. She didn't think that way. She was religious to an extent, but in no way fundamentalist.

Madonna, rest easy. If she were alive, she'd probably just chuckle at the question and then hug you.

That'd tell you all you need to know.

I'm so jealous I wish I coulda met her!!!!! You lucky bastard.. thanks you made me feel better... My username should be her.. not Madonna.. but most people don't like Carpenters.. plus I resemble Madonna more cuz I'm misunderstood and I like to be unique and totally out there....
 
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As a singer, Karen Carpenter was, on balance, about as good as it gets. Her voice, whether live or recorded, was nearly flawless. She had that distinct quality of seeming, at once, intimate and detached. I love the melodies and the lush production values of the "Carpenters" sound. The fact that the lyrics were not all that substantial does not concern me. The artistry of it all is still quite moving. She was so far out ahead of these loud broads today, that they still haven't caught up to her.
 
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Here her orginal tomb in Forest Lawn in Cypress,CA before her brother moved the body......My Grandparents are buried there also

Carpenter_k.jpg
 
Re: Was My Biggest Idol Karen Carpenter Gay Friendly?

There was such a sadness to her voice. Even in happy songs she sang.
 
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Sometimes she'd eat gay babies for lunch, too.
 
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Jayden hit the nail on the head. Most of the lyrics in the Carpenter's songs tend to evoke sadness; even in the more uptempo songs. And even when it's not explicitly stated, it's felt. When Karen Carpenter sings the first "hanging around " in "Rainy Days and Mondays," the tonal purity is almost overshadowed by the sadness, mixed with a touch of desperation.

It may be impossible to answer whether she was homophobic or not, but a lot of her home life sounds pretty dysfunctional (cold parents; a domineering/controlling brother). But then, if she had come from a happier environment, I'm not sure if she could, or would, have become the kind of singer she became.
 
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When all is said and done. Its a shame she was taken so soon. I can only imagine how many great cd's she could have made.
 
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Well, in retrospect I think there was a certain calculated, marketed image going on with their record company.

Keep in mind The Carpenter's came on the scene in the early 70's, in the wake of all the acid-induced rock and free love and all of that stuff from the late 60's.

Things tend to go in waves. Music follows culture. Acid freak-outs were giving way to Valium-induced 'mellowness' and perhaps a feeling of needing to take a break from the party that had been the last few years.

The Carpenter's, and more specifically Karen's voice and melancholy retrospection were perfect for this. The lyrics were bittersweet, the production studio-perfect. The tone was, in general, 'the morning after'... filled with regrets and longings...

Just a thought.
 
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Everyone knows I like Madonna, Cher, Stevie Nicks, Journey, Fleetwood, Mariah, D Summer

This made me smile. You have some of the most famous women artists listed, and then Journey.

One of these things is not like the others...

Oh, well. Anyway you want it...
 
Re: Was My Biggest Idol Karen Carpenter Gay Friendly?

She was a great singer...one of the greatest. And to address belamy, she rarely recorded a "shitty" song. Bacharach/David, Paul Williams, Carole King...they didn't write shitty songs.


We come from different universes I guess.
 
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There was such a sadness to her voice. Even in happy songs she sang.
That's true, but I always felt that for some songs, you could clearly "hear" her smiling as she sang. That is a quality of her voice that I rarely encounter and therefore appreciate greatly.
 
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I felt sorry for KC, because though she had talent in her voice, she let her brother control her life. When she killed herself, she gave out those warning signs which her brother talked about and at the time he was too drugged out to take real notice of it. I guess it was her bid to escape the confines of her life. In the documentary about her life I saw, it showed her trying to break out into the pop genre, and her fans hated it vehemently. Thus her fans too were her problem, because no one likes changes especially those who buy her records.

She took the high road, and she died. All very tragic. I just find it kinda morbid.
 
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