This Forum is full of hate

[Elwood]

Those were my threads, examples of how positive threads are sometimes lifeless while the hateful threads thrive and flourish.

But again that just proves my point. The christians that are being bashed are the hateful anti-gay group. All that I am saying is, what do you here from christian groups? Mostly negative anti-gay rubish. Maybe if the good christians were to stand up and say that all christians do not believe this crap and were to be very vocal about it like the gay hating christians, there wouldn't be such a hate towards christians. But again that is very likely never going to happen.

 

[Apollo]

But again that just proves my point. The christians that are being bashed are the hateful anti-gay group. All that I am saying is, what do you here from christian groups? Mostly negative anti-gay rubish. Maybe if the good christians were to stand up and say that all christians do not believe this crap and were to be very vocal about it like the gay hating christians, there wouldn't be such a hate towards christians. But again that is very likely never going to happen.

It starts off that way usually. They only bash the anti gay group. Usually by the second reply though, it is ALL christians blah blah blah.

I don't think the muslim bashing thread had to wait that long though.

 

[gdude30]

The internet is full of hate my friend.

Ha you think it's only gay's that make fun of christians and conservatives.

My friend you are so wrong. I know tons of straight people who do it all the time and come up with stuff like "Fish Jesus died for our fins" and wierd stuff like that.

I myself am not to fond of christianity and have mixed views on it which I keep in my mind because I'd damn well be shot if I said them.

But i don't really think bad of christians or conservatives. I just have mixed feelings about it.

And ultimately I think following god is pointless. Doesn't matter if he exists or not I'd rather live my own life without any kind of guidance. Oh shit I voiced my opinion *runs*

 

[Puzuzzu]

"Puzuzzu" reminds me of one of the names of the demons that had to be exorcised out of Regan in The Exorcist.

That's where i got it from

 

[Elwood]

This is what falters evolution, backwards thinking. You think there aren't Christians standing up for gays? Are you also convinced that pro-gay Christians are a myth?

Here's an entire church that supports homosexuality and criticizes those who don't.


Here's a website for single, gay Christians
http://www.gaychristian.net/

There ARE Christian gay-supporters, but much like America's portrayal of blacks as criminals in the early 1900's, the media and gay men portray all Christians as being anti-gay extremists throwing bibles at gay men. This couldn't be further from the truth. Someone just PMed me about a local church that's part of a branch that actually oucasted one of its sister churches for being anti-gay. There is a wealth of Christian support out there for the gay community, this is about people's tendency to focus on the negative. It's no fun to talk about pro-gay Christians, that's such an easy way to rile people up and have something to complain about

I'm not being rude but do you understand English because you're literally responding in a way that makes me wonder, perhaps I need to say it louder.

THEY ARE BASHING ALL CHRISTIANS

BY ALL, I DON'T MEAN JUST THE ANTI-GAY ONES, BUT ALL OF THEM

THEY ARE BASHING ALL CHRISTIANS

THEY ARE BASHING ALL CHRISTIANS

THEY ARE NOT BASHING ONLY ANTI-GAY CHRISTIANS

THEY ARE BASHING ALL CHRISTIANS

CHRISTIANITY IS BEING BASHED IN A WAY TO THAT RIDICULES THE ENTIRE RELIGION AND ALL OF ITS FOLLOWERS NOT JUST ANTI-GAY CHRISTIANS

First of all I thought we were having a pretty decent discussion which up until your last post I was enjoying it. Yes I understand english do you? I never said that there were not gay loving christians, or good christians. What I was saying was unfortunately the bad christians are the most vocal, and that is what we see and hear. And thus the reason for the tremendous hate towards christians. Yes Mr. Smarty pants you could post a few links to a few good christian web sites but in general I think you could find a hole lot more links to negative christian websites. That is my whole point!!!!! Maybe if these so called good christians were to be more vocal, maybe people would not have such hate for christians.

Anyways if you want to be an asshole and be rude pfft I have better things to do.

 

[EvilForce]

All the Conservative Christians ever bitch about is the evils of the gay agenda.

Well that, and abortion. About a 60% - 40% split. Of course their hypocrisy on abortion is a whole 'nother thread.

 

[Elwood]

I recognize that loophole, but it seems my biggest crime here is wanting that bullshit to end. Atheist? Fine. Christian? Go ahead. But there's an undeniable hostility towards both that's probably turning people away from the site. Instead of either stating their case, they spend all their time bashing someone else's. I'd atleast understand it this if these were educated, well-written posts, but it's a bunch of ramble from people who don't know what they're talking about, but I'm wrong for expressing my displeasure with this? All I'm asking for is an environment where people aren't made to feel stupid for what they believe, and categorized by the worst of their group. That's never gone been well-received in history and is the behavior of every system that's ever outcasted anyone for being different.

Hmm maybe you should practice what you preach?????

"I'm not being rude but do you understand English because you're literally responding in a way that makes me wonder, perhaps I need to say it louder.-"

Just a thought.

 

[Elwood]

I was talking about what I see on JUB in the hot topics. I was also referring to your two post that you had linked to in post 92. They were post about good christians and no one flamed those. Which was my point. Again you have yet to prove that good christians get a bad rap here.

How ever I do not really care anymore. Like I said until we start hearing a lot more positive things coming from christian groups ( which I doubt we ever will) people are going to have a hate towards them I am not saying it is right I am just trying to explain why the hate exist.

 

[Spellbound]

Again you have yet to prove that good christians get a bad rap here.

That because they don't.

Sure there's the odd comment here and there that generalizes, but there's never an entire thread just bashing Christians. At least I've never seen one, and I've been here since 2005.

 

[Chalchalero]

That because they don't.

Sure there's the odd comment here and there that generalizes, but there's never an entire thread just bashing Christians. At least I've never seen one, and I've been here since 2005.

So you do not consider a thread with a title implying that people who follow religious doctrine have no morals to be bashing? Interesting. What would it have to entail exactly then? Perhaps a thread called "The Christian Bashing Thread" would be the only one, I imagine...

 

[Elwood]

So you do not consider a thread with a title implying that people who follow religious doctrine have no morals to be bashing? Interesting. What would it have to entail exactly then? Perhaps a thread called "The Christian Bashing Thread" would be the only one, I imagine...

Again you are talking about 1 thread. They way people are talking you would think that every second thread here was about how bad religious people are. Come on give it a break. Again pull out five threads where good christians, or good religious people are being bashed. Like I have mentioned before I am talking about Hot topics, and not religion and spirituality forum.

 

[Elwood]

Until women stop prostituting (which I doubt they ever will) and disprove that all they're good for is sex, sexism will exist. Which sounds more possible, ending bad behavior or ending hatred? Neither, because neither will ever happen. But as long as bad behavior of a group is used as an excuse to hate them, hatred will always be strong and powerful. What you just explained to me is textbook discrimination and I'm glad you've recognized it's presence not just against homosexuals, but from homosexuals.

You are taking my thoughts completely out of context. My point is that good christians are not being bashed on this forum. The christians and religious people that are being bashed are the ones that spew their evil hatred and unfortunately those are the ones we hear from.

 

[Chalchalero]

Again you are talking about 1 thread. They way people are talking you would think that every second thread here was about how bad religious people are. Come on give it a break. Again pull out five threads where good christians, or good religious people are being bashed. Like I have mentioned before I am talking about Hot topics, and not religion and spirituality forum.

Why would it matter which section the threads came from if the hostile spirit behind the posts is exactly the same?

Why is it that so many people who seem to feel that such hostility does not exist here seem to also feel the need to tell those of us who have endured that hostility that we are wrong to say that it does? The fact is that if you are not subject to it, of course you will not see it. That simple. But don't tell people who have been through it that they have not been through it. That is just plain ridiculous.

 

[Elwood]

Why would it matter which section the threads came from if the hostile spirit behind the posts is exactly the same?

Why is it that so many people who seem to feel that such hostility does not exist here seem to also feel the need to tell those of us who have endured that hostility that we are wrong to say that it does? The fact is that if you are not subject to it, of course you will not see it. That simple. But don't tell people who have been through it that they have not been through it. That is just plain ridiculous.

Again let me state my point. Hopefully for the last time.

Ok here we go!! My point is that the christians or religious people who get bashed here on JUB are the evil obnoxious christians or religious people who state that homosexuality is an abomination and we are all going to hell! (rev. Phelps and the like) Like I have mentioned earlier I was talking about hot topics because that is what I frequent and that is what I feel I know about.


I myself do not have a problem with normal religious people. Just do not try and push it on me, that is all I ask.

Do I believe these bad christian should be called out Hell Yes!!!!

 

[Elwood]

Now I understand. You just haven't read any of the threads I'm referring to, because they certainly bash Christianity in its entirety, and ALL of its followers. My only grievance with you is that you're discrediting my statements by assuming that the topics are being discussed respectfully without bias. You seem like the parent who loves their kid so much that they ignore when the kid is being a monster. Sitting on the opposite side of the park, reading a newspaper and ASSUMING that their child is playing fairly and nicely. Gay people are capable of discrimination and prejudice, are you arguing against that??

You shouldn't ASSume because it makes an ass of you!! As I have said before I was referring to the two threads in post #92. I will go back and take a look but I do not remember you referring to other threads.

 

[Chalchalero]

Again let me state my point. Hopefully for the last time.

Ok here we go!! My point is that the christians or religious people who get bashed here on JUB are the evil obnoxious christians or religious people who state that homosexuality is an abomination and we are all going to hell! (rev. Phelps and the like) Like I have mentioned earlier I was talking about hot topics because that is what I frequent and that is what I feel I know about.


I myself do not have a problem with normal religious people. Just do not try and push it on me, that is all I ask.

Do I believe these bad christian should be called out Hell Yes!!!!

I honestly and truly believe that you believe that. I also believe that you are sincere in that belief. But I have only seen you for the first time today, which indicates to me that you do not participate in the same threads as I do, or you would have seen more of a prevalence of what I can only consider to be anti religious ranting lunacy.

There are people here who hate religion and religious people just because. They are here, I know they are here, because I have interacted with them. I wish that it were the way you say it is because then I would not be so annoyed each time I see the crap people write about me and people like me. But I am annoyed because people do write hurtful and offensive things. Because you do not see it does not make it disappear.

 

[Elwood]

The two I posted were examples of how positive threads aren't well-received. Here are a few that, even in the titles, present absolute truths about religion and Christianity

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220071

This one is titled with the equation religious doctorine=no sense of morality. That statement means religious principles are entirely without morality, since the equals sign leaves no room for variable or exceptions, 2+2 never = anything except 4. religion=nothing except immorality.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220146

They're disguised as discussions, based on an article or concept of anti-gay religion or the fallacy of religion. They actually literally say nothing about anti-gay religions except when the concept is used to explain the complete "wrongness" of religion. Like someone who goes "women are stupid and this is why...."

Again, I'm conjuring up an image of an absent parent being told their child just threw sand in someone's eye, and the reaction is "My child? Never, no way, it must've been someone else's child who started it. My child is incapable of doing wrong, but if they do it's only a justified reaction." In what century did we start justifying hatred and discrimination? I must've been doing my nails.

First of all this is the first time you refer to the threads that I supposedly didn't look at that you referred too. Ok lets compare apples with apples here the first thread is all about muslims and their belief which is not what this thread,and this particular discussion is about. You have mentioned women and now muslims we are talking about christians. So lets not stray o:k?

The thread Title "This forum is full of hate" then the op states that this hate is towards christians. So far I have seen one thread with this so called "full of hate".

Again I have seen no proof of this so called hate towards christians unless 1 thread amounts to full of hate

 

[Elwood]

I'm starting to get a buzz off this whiskey, and am tiring of trying to convince you that gays are capable of hatred and discrimination. I guess me, Chachalero, and Kingbrutus must all be seeing the same ghost (as well as nameless members who PM me thanking me for not bashing religion). You live in your Eutopia where gays are only victims and never antagonizers, when you're ready to come into the real world (the one where anti-minority rants are common on JUB. I have to be careful what I quote because I've been banned for quoting discriminatory remarks, although the comments themselves still remain.

I think you must be getting a buzz, because where did I ever state that gays are not capable of hatred and discrimination????? Again changing the subject.


And too marleyisalegend, chacalero, and my banned friend kingbrutus if JUB is such a terrible discriminatory place why do you come back even after being banned.

 

[Chalchalero]

give me a break...christians, good or bad, are always the target of hate in jub. when homosexuality is the target of hate, mods do something to stop or lock the thread but when it's religion, they let the haters keep going just because they know there are more haters than those who respect religious people.

I made this point also. It is an indisputable fact and one which really pisses me off.

 

[Elwood]

^ because in life, one has to face the bad side in order to appreciate the good side. i will fight for my right to defend my religion and faith because only cowardly people are too afraid of speaking the truth. this world is a discriminatory place and unless suicide is an option i choose to take, i'll come back in this small community to speak up because i am not afraid of people like you who enjoy spreading the hate and get satisfaction out of it.

Ok brutus just relax there LOL. You show me one thread or post of mine that spreads hate???? Lets not forget what the discussion was about and try not to get to off track.

Come back to reality brutus and get off you soap box!!!!

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