On the most basic level, tolerance is all you can really ask of someone. People are not obligated to love every person on Earth with equal devotion, and as long as they recognize the right of gay people to have equal rights, there's not a lot you can do about their personal feelings. I PERSONALLY feel that smoking pot is a bad thing to do, and that most people that do so on a regular basis aren't usually people that I'd want to associate with. But I still support the legality of marijuana. I don't have to like those people to still be accepting of them.
I never said everyone had to outright love every person on earth. And yes, tolerance is far better than violent hate.
But there is something fundamentally wrong when people cannot accept others for being who they are when it comes to things they did NOT choose - race, sexuality, parts of their inherent biological makeup, etc. Putting that on the same level as politics, smoking pot, beliefs, etc... the actual conscious choices people make, good or bad...is really sort of a false equivalency. You cannot put inherent biological makeup and conscious choice on the same plane.
By the way, I don't see how "lover the sinner, hate the sin" is a logical fallacy. I may disapprove of someone lying, or stealing, or being rude, but that doesn't mean I automatically hate THEM. If someone makes a mistake or does something bad, that does not ruin their entire character, it's just a small part.
When I said it, I meant that in relation to sexuality. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" IS a fallacy in this case, when it refers to not accepting an ingrained part of someone that of which they did not choose...in this case, sexuality.
As for people who choose to do things that are just wrong and indecent...then that saying can make sense. Stealing, cheating, lying, etc. one can forgive, if they so choose, because the person made a choice to engage in such. People do not choose their sexuality, whatever it may be. Again, putting that on the same plane with the bad conscious decisions people willingly make is simply flawed.
Again, I don't see the problem here. People are entitled to their personal beliefs, and as long as they don't affect the way these people treat gays, they can keep 'em. As long as you're not discriminated against or denied rights, people are perfectly entitled to hate your guts.
There is absolutely a huge problem with that kind of thinking...one, because it's illogical, and two, because that actually does influence the way people engage in the world, vote, etc. And those preaching those fallacies have huge influence over a lot of people. That can become very dangerous.
Just because someone does not outright deny someone of their rights or discriminate openly, does not make that kind of thinking acceptable.
If they are "entitled" to their beliefs...they we are "entitled" to use our freedom of speech to call them out on their contradictions, fallacies and illogical thinking.
Again, we are not talking about everyone having to love everything about everyone else. I don't even know where you're getting that from. We are talking specifically about human sexuality.
No one here said everyone should love us simply because we're gay/bi/etc. We are talking about people being able to acknowledge and accept the reality of human sexuality. Then, by all means, if you want to judge/love/hate someone, do it on the content of their character.
