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Thoughts on this statement about the gay community?

centexfarmer said:
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What?

:rotflmao:

You think that you're anonyms from one post to another?

It's really not enough for the members to "guess" who you were, it's enough for the Admin, the Moderators, and the Owners of this website to KNOW who you were. :badgrin:

You haven't changed much except to question HOW we moderate these forums.

Poor thang, bless your heart.
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OK. I'll just assume from now on that I'll be confused no matter what you post.

:kiss:
 
navigaytion said:
OK. I'll just assume from now on that I'll be confused no matter what you post.

:kiss:
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Yes, I suppose that anyone accused of being a "buzz kill" would obviously have to blame their inability to comprehend on the messenger, rather than the message.

:rolleyes:


AND you still don't have the first fucking clue about what I'm talking about do you?


:badgrin:
 
FanofFiction said:
I don't think that statement is totally untrue. I think it is partially right, concerning the gay bar community... At least for any of the cities I've lived in.

I don't know. I've fallen out of love with "the community". I don't hold mainstream gay culture in high regard I'm afraid.
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Sadly, if you think the "gay bars" represent the queer community it means you have an extremely narrow view of it. There is far, far, far, more to the queer community than gay bars. In the cities i have lived in there are gay sports teams, theater groups, gardening clubs, volunteer organizations, activity (biking, kayaking, jogging, et al...) clubs, social mixers, and a raft of others whereby alcohol doesn't play a part.
 
navigaytion said:
I agree with the statement.
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So do you fit that statement or are you the exception to this universal rule? That would explain why do you feel superior to all us mentally instable homos here. And while that's not the topic of this thread I agree with Telstra. If you feel entitled to give your opinion (usually a very negative opinion) about others you are going to taste your own medicine.


Back to topic, I still haven't found anyone who fit that description. I would like to know how this "person"'s opinion about straight alcoholic, drug addicts and sex addicts. Are they all closet cases?
 
Paws said:
[citation needed]
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I agree.

Please provide scientific proof that the majority of homos who move to the city are booze guzzling, drug addled sex maniacs who are irrevocably emotionally scarred.

I sure as hell know that I wasn't.
 
centexfarmer said:
Yes, I suppose that anyone accused of being a "buzz kill" would obviously have to blame their inability to comprehend on the messenger, rather than the message.

:rolleyes:


AND you still don't have the first fucking clue about what I'm talking about do you?


:badgrin:
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So you're calling me a buzz kill in this thread? I simply stated I agreed with Sultan's quote. Now, examine the responses after that and tell me who's responsible for the "buzz kill."
 
geloge said:
So do you fit that statement or are you the exception to this universal rule?
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I didn't see it as a universal rule to begin with. The statement seemed like a general observation and conclusion, rather than a rule (e.g., "A lot of these men..." rather than "all gay men"). In that sense, I agree with it.
 
navigaytion said:
I didn't see it as a universal rule to begin with. The statement seemed like a general observation and conclusion, rather than a rule (e.g., "A lot of these men..." rather than "all gay men"). In that sense, I agree with it.
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How I saw it as well, and yes I find there to be truth within the statement.
 
MMMonsterBoy said:
How I saw it as well, and yes I find there to be truth within the statement.
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Thanks. I do find it remarkable that statements which suggest something critical or "negative" about gay men and the gay community are taken to be an attack on all gay people. Like it or not, some things are observable and true for many people.
 
navigaytion said:
I didn't see it as a universal rule to begin with. The statement seemed like a general observation and conclusion, rather than a rule (e.g., "A lot of these men..." rather than "all gay men"). In that sense, I agree with it.
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Obviously, English is not my first laguage so maybe I missunderstand something but...

Sultan said:
What you have in the gay community is a shame-based society. A lot of these men come with a lot of shame into the big cities because they’ve been thrown out of their homes, or they’ve left looking for something better. So I think a lot of people drown their sorrows in alcohol and sexually acting out because it gives them power. I think we use sex differently than straight people. I think men together use sex very differently than women together or straight people together. I think we explore ideas of power, lost power — a lot of us feel very powerful when we walk into a club and get looked at. There’s a whole aspect to it which is about self-worth.
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What does gay community mean? because for me it means LGBT as a whole. What does society mean? Are the "a lot of these men" a society? Wouldn't be "some of us" more accurate than "we"? I'm an ingnorant, I know.

I don't have any problem with self criticism but all this queers are worse than straights debate is boring and it doesn't lead us to any good. The statement was a very inaccurate and negative generalization.
 
geloge said:
What does gay community mean? because for me it means LGBT as a whole. What does society mean? Are the "a lot of these men" a society? Wouldn't be "some of us" more accurate than "we"? I'm an ingnorant, I know.
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I think it's clear from the context that he was talking about gay men; that is, gay male society.

I don't have any problem with self criticism but all this queers are worse than straights is boring and it doesn't lead us to any good. The statement was a very inaccurate and negative generalization.
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I don't think it is. It's an unfortunate one, but I don't think it's completely inaccurate. The very diversity of the gay male community means that the statement will hold true for large portions of it, and many will also be excluded. That's the whole point of it being framed as a generalization. Generalizations aren't inaccurate because they're generalizations; they're inaccurate, admittedly, because they don't (and can't) include everyone.
 
Sultan said:
What you have in the gay community is a shame-based society. A lot of these men come with a lot of shame into the big cities because they’ve been thrown out of their homes, or they’ve left looking for something better. So I think a lot of people drown their sorrows in alcohol and sexually acting out because it gives them power. I think we use sex differently than straight people. I think men together use sex very differently than women together or straight people together. I think we explore ideas of power, lost power — a lot of us feel very powerful when we walk into a club and get looked at. There’s a whole aspect to it which is about self-worth.



Discuss.
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I feel that this is one man's opinion. His viewpoint seems to be shared, in whole or in part, by many gay males of differing socio-economic backgrounds as well as a wide range of ages.

However, I feel that his "analysis" is a gross over-simplification that I must disagree with. Gay men are a very large population and, as such, it is extremely unfair to categorize us by using sweeping generalities that are quite stereotypical.

I will admit that while certain concepts that he has presented may be true for some people under certain circumstances, or in certain cases... I respectfully disagree with his statement.

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navigaytion said:
I don't think it is. It's an unfortunate one, but I don't think it's completely inaccurate. The very diversity of the gay male community means that the statement will hold true for large portions of it, and many will also be excluded. That's the whole point of it being framed as a generalization. Generalizations aren't inaccurate because they're generalizations; they're inaccurate, admittedly, because they don't (and can't) include everyone.
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Sorry again for my English, if I understand you correctly you are telling that the statement is a generalization, as any generalization is inaccurate and can't be applied to the gay comunity as a whole, and that wasn't a positive opinion.

I would be very thankful if you could tell me if I've understood you correctly.
 
Without a link or source, I can just completely ignore the quote. Really it comes off as a bitter queen who feels as gays become more assimilated into "heterosexual" society, that the community is losing its identity. Society is dynamic. Get over it!
 
I think the first statement is true,
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What you have in the gay community is a shame-based society

Yes it is shame based. In the west it is less and less shameful to suck cocks. In conservative countries sucking cocks are top top secrets LOL. No one dare to tell people that they like to suck cocks.
 
When will the source be revealed?

Is it a fictional character from our grandparents' era?
 
Why is it so important that the source be revealed? There is a reason I didn't post a source is because all opinions would just be biased from then on.
 
Sultan said:
Why is it so important that the source be revealed? ….
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On one hand I agree with you. But on the other hand I just feel I can ignore it because there are so many idiots on the Internet and in America that the original quote becomes value-less.
 
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