Thoughts on this statement about the gay community?

[vulgar_newcomer]

What you have in the gay community is a shame-based society. A lot of these men come with a lot of shame into the big cities because they’ve been thrown out of their homes, or they’ve left looking for something better. So I think a lot of people drown their sorrows in alcohol and sexually acting out because it gives them power. I think we use sex differently than straight people. I think men together use sex very differently than women together or straight people together. I think we explore ideas of power, lost power — a lot of us feel very powerful when we walk into a club and get looked at. There’s a whole aspect to it which is about self-worth.



Discuss.

Thats fucked up.

Man maybe your reality but, man... I know guys who talk like this hanging around in the dark corners of the leather bar with hankies and shit and German Nazi SS caps on and they get a thing about asking you what sort of boots you wearing and want to put someone on a rac for a little cbt,........... but come on man get a grip this is 2011.

You are not the Welsh dude that is supposed to be driving me to seen Stonehenge that much is certain.

 

[navigaytion]

Sorry again for my English, if I understand you correctly you are telling that the statement is a generalization, as any generalization is inaccurate and can't be applied to the gay comunity as a whole, and that wasn't a positive opinion.

I would be very thankful if you could tell me if I've understood you correctly.

Yes, that is correct, although I, personally, see the opinion as neither positive or negative.

 

[pat grimshaw]

and there are idiots in your country too…

Yes, but there's much less of them.

Though… I suppose when I think about it, they could be in proportion to the total population.

(As an instance, my ex-flatmate wrote a rather dopey book which was rightly rejected by local publishers but was immediately given a cash advance and accepted by a US outfit.)

 

[Kulindahr]

Shame is a concept invented by those who wish to feel superior as a tool for making others feel inferior.




That said....

The statement appears to be referring to the transient communities forged by young, gay men in urban centers. While a lot of drinking, drug use and sex goes in these particular communities, I think it has more to do with the sense of freedom a lot of young gay men feel when they leave their childhood/teenage communities to re-invent themselves in large, anonymous cities. It is important to remember that for a lot of these men, this is the first time they have explored their adult sexuality without constraints and many go fucking wild.

Modify "young, gay men" to include anyone gay who managed to finally escape an oppressive rural or small-town atmosphere, and I think you've covered it.

 

[navigaytion]

Shame is a concept invented by those who wish to feel superior as a tool for making others feel inferior.

So you are saying that shame isn't a virtue?

 

[pat grimshaw]

it can be both

 

[geloge]

I feel sorry for the ones who agree with that statement, I'm glad my experience has been much more positive.

 

[skips]

^ I'm glad for you and I'm glad with you.

Buy me a beer and we can feel sorry for those other guys while we sit and talk.

 

[Kulindahr]

So you are saying that shame isn't a virtue?

No - it is not.

 

[navigaytion]

No - it is not.

Well, I completely disagree.

 

[navigaytion]

Shame isn't virtue but "humble" is.


Navi

No, I still think shame is a virtue.

 

[rareboy]

Oh for Fuck Sakes:

CITATION

http://www.advocate.com/printArticle.aspx?id=100053

Do you think sex addiction is more rampant in the gay community?

What you have in the gay community is a shame-based society. A lot of these men come with a lot of shame into the big cities because they’ve been thrown out of their homes, or they’ve left looking for something better. So I think a lot of people drown their sorrows in alcohol and sexually acting out because it gives them power. I think we use sex differently than straight people. I think men together use sex very differently than women together or straight people together. I think we explore ideas of power, lost power — a lot of us feel very powerful when we walk into a club and get looked at. There’s a whole aspect to it which is about self-worth.

For the love of Jesus. It is from an interview with Duncan Roy, who has to be one of the most damaged and the least credible poster child for the homo community. He is hardly qualified to be making broad generalizations about the nature of the gay community.

And this apotheosis is the result of a stay at 'Dr.' Drew's Sex Rehab centre???????????????

Fucking please.

I don't know what the nonsense is about not providing the cite.

And of course it should colour the context.

It is no different than asking some coked out whore after 30 years of turning tricks whether all heterosexual men are sex maniacs who cheat on their wives.



And shame is no fucking virtue. What a tragedy that some people think this way.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well, I completely disagree.

That could be predicted from your avatar -- prissy, arrogant, disapproving.

Anyone who thinks shame is a virtue is a fan of oppression.

What shame really is, is a feeling induced in other people by convincing them that they do not own themselves, but are owned by someone else.

What is a virtue is acceptance of one's responsibility for one's actions.

 

[Ram]

Sadly, if you think the "gay bars" represent the queer community it means you have an extremely narrow view of it, and maybe even have a substance abuse issue. There is far, far, far, more to the queer community than gay bars. In the cities i have lived in there are gay sports teams, theater groups, gardening clubs, volunteer organizations, activity (biking, kayaking, jogging, et al...) clubs, social mixers, and a raft of others whereby alcohol doesn't play a part.

I have seen more of that than clubs.

There are also gay pubs where men meet to just drink and mingle. No loud music, thankfully.

Honestly, gay people are like other normal people. I think.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...For the love of Jesus...

Grand-père!...
but I thought you belonged in the Old Testament.

 

[Telstra]

Grand-père!...
but I thought you belonged in the Old Testament.

ummm should read the whole post. Makes sense to me.

 

[navigaytion]

Anyone who thinks shame is a virtue is a fan of oppression.

No, I'm a fan of modesty.

What shame really is, is a feeling induced in other people by convincing them that they do not own themselves, but are owned by someone else.

Which, ultimately, is true. It's the reason you and everyone else modify their behavior when it's necessary and know how to behave and what to say and not say (presumably). These are things you hopefully learn as a child, if you were raised correctly, and shame is an important part of that system of upbringing.

What is a virtue is acceptance of one's responsibility for one's actions.

They're both virtues as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, the comments about my avatar are out of place and completely unoriginal, at this point.

 

[Telstra]

^ i rather like that avatar.
The lady sitting feeling un-impressed or annoyed by the show LOL

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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[Kulindahr]

No, I'm a fan of modesty.

Modesty is a concept invented to psychologically coerce others into believing there is something wrong with them, in part or whole. It's a tool of oppression.