Time to remove T&B from LGBT?

[Wajdan]

Now this sounds really controversial. A sizable number of gays are becoming distracted from the whole LGBT thingy. As many gays say, bisexuals don't have to face any discrimination or stuff. They just go through phases and try both worlds. They are also least interested in gay rights or stuff. Similarly, transsexuals have their own problems. They want to go through sex reassignment surgery or whatever or do their own stuff. Bisexuals especially hurt the whole gay rights thing as it make ordinary people to think that gays can change their sexuality and can live happily with a woman if they want.
So isn't it the time to turn to just LG rights?

 

[martin6]

Exclusion is always fun.

 

[Smitho]

We are not all the same or facing the same problems, but we should stand together as sexual minorities.

 

[MrWright]

Never. By asserting that we should be separate we assert that the issue is not a cruel discrimination based on orientation but rather the minimal rights of just one minority group. It goes from a philosophical-sociological understanding of how people ought to be treated to a non-idealistic and careless power grab. The gay rights movement can ONLY be validated if we approach equality with as much fervor as those who oppose us do with hate and when we try to exclude others for practical reasons we sacrifice the truly liberating message of our cause: that people's private sexual lives should not only be allowed but celebrated and that love is inherently equal (or at least impossible to compare).

 

[Ram]

First we kick the bi and trans out. Then we will kick the lesbians out. Then we will big debate about religion and more people will quit, leaving a majority. Sooner or later, the colored ones have to go. Then we will call ourselves the republican party.

The more divided we get, the weaker we get. I don't care about the stigma surrounding bisexuals or how different transsexuals are from us. They are still sexual minorities, just like us. Like or not, we all face the same type of discrimination.

But I do think the bisexuals and the transsexuals need to form a group to protect themselves from the gays.

 

[MrWright]

But I do think the bisexuals and the transsexuals need to form a group to protect themselves from the gays.

Minorities are often the most cruel to other minorities which makes it especially pathetic given that we are a grouped minority.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

As many gays say, bisexuals don't have to face any discrimination or stuff.

Who said that?

Honestly, the notion of a GLBT community has always been a bit of a pipe dream until recently. Now Generation Tweet who grew up on the internet doesn't give a rat's ass and they're all partying together, GLBT and even S.

more power to them.

Let us crusty old fuckers alone with our outdated wagon-circling.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

I'm disgusted the first option is winning at this point. It's disgusting. Those who voted should be ashamed of themselves.

Unless you really think about it.. 1 & 2 are the same answer. 3 & 4 are too.

And 3 & 4 add up to more than 1 & 2.

I think. I'm dyspeptic, remember?

 

[Jersey Domino]

No we shouldn't

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER LIKE IT OR NOT.

This is the LAST thing we need to be doing. We all need to stand together as Minority's, Stop fussing at each other, and get some fucking rights. Because if we don't then we're screwed.

 

[Jory]

Unknown Author
First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist.Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew.Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant.Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

 

[treanir]

And with my vote, the "this is bullshit" camp is now winning. Good.

bisexuals don't have to face any discrimination or stuff.

*eyes bulge* Are you being controversial on purpose? If anything, bisexuals face more discrimination than gays. Bis are the Other in both the straight world ("yes, but you also suck dick") and the gay world ("yes, but you also fuck pussy"). In addition, there's an idea (which you also show in your post) that bisexuals are just undecided and/or greedy and just need to get their act together and choose. There's perhaps more stigma attached to being bisexual than to being gay.

And as for the T? I'd like to refer you to Effortless_Pro's excellent post: "if it wasn't for the "T"s in "LGBT" the "LGBT" movement wouldn't have started when it did."

 

[The_Reaper]

In a battle for rights, it's more important to have allies than to stand alone because we have conflict within our own community.

Bisexuals do face adversity, as other posters have said, from both the straight and gay community. By classifying bisexual guys as going through a 'guy stage' and a 'woman stage', we're just as bad as heterosexuals condemning gays for being unstable in relationships.

I know I've gone on record here before saying that I wouldn't date a bisexual guy personally, for fear of being dumped for a woman, but that doesn't mean I don't support their decisions within their own life. As many of us have said, you love who you love, and you're going to end up with a person who takes your heart and fills your mind, not someone who simply has one set of reproductive organs over another.

Like I said, when you're fighting for something as important as human rights, you cannot afford to lose any allies that will stand with you. We are stronger as a group than we are by ourselves, and like it or not, Bisexuals are a part of this group.

As for the transgendered; I must admit, I don't really have much experience with this category of people within the community. But, I will still say that they make an ally in a fight we cannot afford to lose.

 

[torontoguy22]

As much as the demands of the various letters are unique, splintering a group of sexual minorities is IMO not a wise move. It'll make it that much harder to make gains.

 

[G-Lexington]

May as well kick out the Ls, too, since they all make porn videos for straight guys to jerk off to, so they don't ever face any discrimination.

Ignorance may not be bliss, but it IS sometimes fun.

Lex

 

[popoxDDD]

"Bisexuals especially hurt the whole gay rights thing as it make ordinary people to think that gays can change their sexuality and can live happily with a woman if they want."

and somehow you make it sound as though its the bisexual's faults that "ordinary people" think this way.
for a group of people who complain about why homophobes dont understand that its possible to like the same sex why isnt it possible to understand that its possible to like BOTH sexes?

its true that there are some girls who are like bi curious or some shit to get attention but there really are people who can be sexually attracted to both sexes.

The "T" falls under sexuality as well. I may not understand it that well but honestly if we discriminate and say that transsexuals dont belong because they "have their own problems" then who should we be to talk about equality? cuz while they have their own problems they also have many of the same problems. gay men and lesbian also have their unique problems by that logic should we make L and G separate as well?

 

[Críostóir]

People have made the arguments against this asinine, cruel, heartless, bigoted, stupid idea. So I just have one thing to say.

Solidarity forever.

 

[Swellegant]

I am heartened by the responses above.

My only problem with all the letters in the acronym is that they're unweildy, especially when we try to make more people feel included and add more letters on. I wish we had a shorter, more inclusive name that still honors the constituent parts. Like "Human," or something.

Because that's what this is really all about: we're all human, created equal with certin inalienable rights; we deserve the same rights as everybody else. We need to be included, not excluded; but to be included because we excluded someone else is called "selling out." It's also called Uncle Tom-ism. It's cowardly, craven, and demeaning to us and to the people we sacrificed on the way.

We have banded together because we have certain things in common, but we most certainly aren't all the same... neither are all the ethnic and religious minorities all the same, but with something in common.

 

[treanir]

^ I must say this about the unwieldiness of the acronym: I've seen someone use LGBTQQC (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Curious). Talk about unwieldy! (also, I don't see much difference between the second Q and the C)

The rest of your post simply deserves a standing ovation.

 

[TygreBryte]

Now this sounds really controversial. A sizable number of gays are becoming distracted from the whole LGBT thingy. As many gays say, bisexuals don't have to face any discrimination or stuff. They just go through phases and try both worlds. They are also least interested in gay rights or stuff. Similarly, transsexuals have their own problems. They want to go through sex reassignment surgery or whatever or do their own stuff. Bisexuals especially hurt the whole gay rights thing as it make ordinary people to think that gays can change their sexuality and can live happily with a woman if they want.
So isn't it the time to turn to just LG rights?

Hey! I've got an idea!

Let's do this, and call it "The Final Solution"! Clever, huh? And original?

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>My only problem with all the letters in the acronym is that they're unweildy, especially when we try to make more people feel included and add more letters on. I wish we had a shorter, more inclusive name that still honors the constituent parts. Like "Human," or something.

I've always been partial to "alt-sexed" and "non-straight".

Lex