Twitter hero(es) help track down hate crime suspects...

[mikemizanin729]

^^ Must every thread involve racism or religion. It's ridiculous.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

It might be different if there were at least an account of the entire group being involved, but there isn't and it is both precipitous and in the worst tradition of a kangaroo court.

I went over the thread again just to be sure of myself before I said this, but no one in the thread actually claimed that the whole group in the photo was involved with it. Only yourself implying that was the intentions of the OP even though the OP explained why he posted the picture.

I honestly feel like you're just picking fights for the sake of picking a fight when there doesn't even need to be one.

 

[palbert]

I went over the thread again just to be sure of myself before I said this, but no one in the thread actually claimed that the whole group in the photo was involved with it. Only yourself implying that was the intentions of the OP even though the OP explained why he posted the picture.

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Let's remember the picture is most likely evidence, no matter who is in it: it was used in focusing in on the perpetrators and will be evidence of such. So those kids are "in the picture" whether impugned or not, whether they want to be or not.

Much is made of identifying the innocent: I don't think the photo - by itself - identifies anyone. Certainly not to me.

 

[mikemizanin729]

but no one in the thread actually claimed that the whole group in the photo was involved with it. Only yourself implying that was the intentions of the OP even though the OP explained why he posted the picture.

I honestly feel like you're just picking fights for the sake of picking a fight when there doesn't even need to be one.

He makes assumptions like this on a regular basis. He only hears what he wants to hear.

He has a remarkable talent for putting words in mouths.

 

[mikemizanin729]

I'm not interested in trying anyone by implication.

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Yet you imply that the OP's intentions are what you make them out to be.

 

[xbuzzerx]

A similar photo of a black church eating a dinner on the grounds would not likely evoke such innuendos of their assumed racism, nor would an all-Chinese gathering for Dim Sum at a restaurant. The sword of accusation is not two-edged, but one.

The sword of U.S. history was not two-edged, but one.

And to be clear, there certainly are posters impugning the entire group pictured. To not see that in the thread requires a will to not see it.

No, there aren't. There's you imagining that. Feel free to quote the post anywhere in the thread saying lock up everyone in that picture.

 

[mikemizanin729]

Feel free to quote the post anywhere in the thread saying lock up everyone in that picture.

He can't quote what doesn't exist and he KNOWS full well it doesn't .

 

[bankside]

No, I concede that the indictment of the pictured may be just as unintentional by Adrian as it might be by those promulgating it on the Twitsphere.

But it is wrong just the same, and the effect in the thread, and likely on the web, was to lead multiple people to migrate from impugning them as guilty of mob violence to convicting them of some sort of racism, a racism that is prima facie evidenced by their simple assembly as white people.

A similar photo of a black church eating a dinner on the grounds would not likely evoke such innuendos of their assumed racism, nor would an all-Chinese gathering for Dim Sum at a restaurant. The sword of accusation is not two-edged, but one. It only cuts against the majority, even though every honest person knows a group can be socially monochromatic without being some sort of sinister gathering that is one step away from becoming a clan rally.

It's much easier to cluck tongues and tsk-tsk at the all-whiteness of it all. Which is again, wholly unrelated to the crime that occurred that IS the subject of the thread.

It would be easy to stay on the subject of gay beatings if that were the intent of those posting -- but the evidence is plain that it is not.

And to be clear, there certainly are posters impugning the entire group pictured. To not see that in the thread requires a will to not see it.

I do find any monocultural group remarkable, though not inherently suspicious.

 

[xbuzzerx]

For there the be something manifestly odious, one must be able to prove some xenophobia or intent to exclude.

I guess you aren't aware that you're in a thread about people identified from social media pictures as being involved in a hate crime.

Since they aren't h.s. dropouts, however, we must certainly reserve all judgment and suspicion.

 

[Telstra]

I can see these girls and a few guys are porn material LOL

 

[Gentleheart]

This just in, the feds are getting ready to get involve. This could soon become a federal case.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...indings-on-center-city-beating-of-gay-couple/

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/26567155/councilman-wants-federal-hate-crime-charges

Here is the letter from Councilman Jim Kenney to the prosecutor asking for federal charges to be made.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34225393/240175265-Jim-Kenney-Letter-to-U-S-Attorney.pdf

thanks for those links.

I have been trying to find new information from today, but the most I have learned (new) is that one of the person of interest's attorney claims that there is additional video (not yet released, and he declined to share) which shows that the victims actually initiated the fight.

hmmmm...I still smell bull. But I'm going to see how this plays out. The video that the attorney is claiming shows a different scenario is going to have to make an appearance sooner or later. And even still, say by some crazy chance that the gay couple DID start the fight, what is there to be said about how events played out from there? Witness testimony alone STILL makes this appear as if the guys were confronted and subsequently beaten because they were gay.

what do you guys think?

And on another note...it's time for Pennsylvania (among other states) to update their hate crime laws. Whatever happens with this case, this is still a wake up call that gay bashing should not and will not be tolerated.

 

[Telstra]

Logic tells me that "Victims initiated the fight" doesn't make sense.
Two people doesn't not want to fight a large group of people.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

thanks for those links.

I have been trying to find new information from today, but the most I have learned (new) is that one of the person of interest's attorney claims that there is additional video (not yet released, and he declined to share) which shows that the victims actually initiated the fight.

I really find it hard to believe and would be surprised if this was the case, considering the only time I can imagine 2 people starting a fight with a group larger than their own would be when they were drunk. It is also weird considering the fact that again, the gay men didn't flee the scene and reported the incident to the Police. While the drunk group fled and stole belongings.

But I could imagine a reason for one of the gay men to throw the first punch, which would be that they felt cornered and the only way out of the situation was through a fight. I myself wouldn't blame them because if I felt cornered in the same situation and felt things were headed that way I'd rather go down swinging then let someone just beat on me.

Either way it is another shitty detail that is only meant to try to lesson the penalties on the drunk homophobic douches.

I mean from my own perspective and I am sure this isn't just a Philly thing, when altercations start people tend to push each other until eventually one of them throws the punch. I never understood this mentality and when I fought when I was younger I never even bothered with pushing, I went straight to the punches.

 

[cgymike]

Twitter should be exterminated!

 

[mikemizanin729]

Twitter should be exterminated!

So should Perseids stirring posts when he happens to find a problem with the OP when there isn't a problem visible.

 

[cgymike]

I'll send some daleks to do the job then...

 

[zombiekiller]

I find it amazing people are already forgetting about this case. And I find it incredible that it's taking them this long to do anything about it.

 

[mikemizanin729]

^ These things take time.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I really find it hard to believe and would be surprised if this was the case, considering the only time I can imagine 2 people starting a fight with a group larger than their own would be when they were drunk. It is also weird considering the fact that again, the gay men didn't flee the scene and reported the incident to the Police. While the drunk group fled and stole belongings.

But I could imagine a reason for one of the gay men to throw the first punch, which would be that they felt cornered and the only way out of the situation was through a fight. I myself wouldn't blame them because if I felt cornered in the same situation and felt things were headed that way I'd rather go down swinging then let someone just beat on me.

Either way it is another shitty detail that is only meant to try to lesson the penalties on the drunk homophobic douches.

I mean from my own perspective and I am sure this isn't just a Philly thing, when altercations start people tend to push each other until eventually one of them throws the punch. I never understood this mentality and when I fought when I was younger I never even bothered with pushing, I went straight to the punches.

I'd feel virtually guaranteed if 2 people started a fight against 15, they were backed into a corner and being yelled at and provoked and made to feel like they had to fight.

But the fact that they claim this video exists and they aren't sharing it is suspicious.

 

[cgymike]

Twitter is stupid and those who use it the weakest link.

Screen addicts!