Ukraine in Revolution

[palbert]

An other take (opinion piece) on the situation in the Ukraine.

The Ukraine crisis: John Kerry and Nato must calm down and back off [theguardian.com]

Kerry's rush to punish Russia and Nato's decision to respond to Kiev's call by holding a meeting of member states' ambassadors in Brussels today were mistakes. Ukraine is not part of the alliance, so none of the obligations of common defence come into play. Nato should refrain from interfering in Ukraine by word or deed. The fact that it insists on getting engaged reveals the elephant in the room: underlying the crisis in Crimea and Russia's fierce resistance to potential changes is Nato's undisguised ambition to continue two decades of expansion into what used to be called "post-Soviet space", led by Bill Clinton and taken up by successive administrations in Washington.
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The Russian-speaking majority in the region is as angry with elite corruption, unemployment and economic inequality as people in western Ukraine. But it also feels beleaguered and provoked, with its cultural heritage [ed.: its right to use the Russian language] under existential threat. Responsibility for eliminating those concerns lies not in Washington, Brussels or Moscow, but solely in Kiev.

A worthy read.

 

[Kulindahr]

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That's a very sensible article.

In a way, the people saying the Ukraine situation could provoke a new cold war are wrong: the Ukraine situation exists because we already have a new cold war, with Russia and NATO competing to dominate the area.

I occasionally think we should just invite Russia to join NATO and be done with it, and have an alliance that goes all the way around the northern hemisphere.

 

[Jack Springer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3ec62c-a157-11e3-9ba6-800d1192d08b_story.html

 

[palbert]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3ec62c-a157-11e3-9ba6-800d1192d08b_story.html

Jack, I am reporting this.

The clear meaning of the "additional posting guidelines" is that, when quoting, you should add some of your thoughts or what the cited piece is about.

That, here, would save me going to an article I'd already read.

 

[TX-Beau]

THEY TOLD ME IT WOULD BE FINE! I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS! I DIDN'T DO IT! I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

My input on this is that I have no input. I don't even know where Ukraine is in relation to Bulgaria...

That settles it, Russia is using gypsy spies on JUB to destabilize Ukraine.

I suppose I'll have to use some enhanced interrogation techniques to get the truth out of you.

 

[kallipolis]

This morning's news suggests that after their arrival in Kiev, Kerry, and Hague the West's BatMan, and Robin will thwart any further advance of Russian troops into Ukraine's, Russian dominated Crimea using the most advanced rhetoric available to NATO goverments.

 

[Jack Springer]

This morning's news suggests that after their arrival in Kiev, Kerry, and Hague the West's BatMan, and Robin will thwart any further advance of Russian troops into Ukraine's, Russian dominated Crimea using the most advanced rhetoric available to NATO goverments.

Kerry will speak french and no one will know what he's saying -- which isn't much different than what he said yesterday on the news shows.

 

[Jack Springer]

Jack, I am reporting this.

The clear meaning of the "additional posting guidelines" is that, when quoting, you should add some of your thoughts or what the cited piece is about.

That, here, would save me going to an article I'd already read.

I guess I should have said something like 'it's a worthy read.'

 

[Rolyo85]

That settles it, Russia is using gypsy spies on JUB to destabilize Ukraine.

I suppose I'll have to use some enhanced interrogation techniques to get the truth out of you.

I have discovered that I can't help but tell the truth when my dick is inserted into someone's ass. For example, I always come when I say I will. You should try that technique.

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I guess I should have said something like 'it's a worthy read.'

Do you ever get tired of being antagonizing and obnoxious?

 

[rareboy]

I guess I should have said something like 'it's a worthy read.'

I think the idea is that you are supposed to offer your own take on it, or state whether you agree or disagree and just possibly why.....

 

[Kulindahr]

Do you ever get tired of being antagonizing and obnoxious?

Apparently not.

I think the idea is that you are supposed to offer your own take on it, or state whether you agree or disagree and just possibly why.....

Or at least point out it brings a new point of view, and cite some of the verbiage as an example.

 

[palbert]

How does this look as a post?

http://www.nytimes.com/

 

[Kulindahr]

It's a political comment.


Really.

 

[maxpowr9]

At least we know the EU will continue to remain inept in this whole ordeal. We know economic sanctions won't come from Europe because who do you think supplies much of the area [specifically Germany] with oil and coal? The EU will just wag its finger like some progressive parent who doesn't believe in disciplining a child.

 

[HenryReardon]

Jack, I am reporting this.

The clear meaning of the "additional posting guidelines" is that, when quoting, you should add some of your thoughts or what the cited piece is about.

That, here, would save me going to an article I'd already read.

Yeah. God forbid, any liberal should have to read and decide for himself. Gotta have those guidelines, don't you know?

 

[Jack Springer]

Apparently not.



Or at least point out it brings a new point of view, and cite some of the verbiage as an example.

Is the liberal clique at CEP back? Where's your leader? He's AWOL.



I understand your frustration with the lack of leadership by our President -- but don't take it out on me. You're just experiencing what many Americans have for the past 5 years.

 

[Kulindahr]

At least we know the EU will continue to remain inept in this whole ordeal. We know economic sanctions won't come from Europe because who do you think supplies much of the area [specifically Germany] with oil and coal? The EU will just wag its finger like some progressive parent who doesn't believe in disciplining a child.

And Muscovy has always tried to vanquish Kiev.

The new Prince of Muskovy, Tasr Putin, is just one more in a long line.

 

[Kulindahr]

Is the liberal clique at CEP back? Where's your leader? He's AWOL.

The liberal clique had a leader? I hadn't noticed one since Alfie sank.

I understand your frustration with the lack of leadership by our President -- but don't take it out on me. You're just experiencing what many Americans have for the past 5 years.

Are you ever going to grow up? Stop seeing what you want to see, and actually pay attention to people, Jack! In fact, I think that the way you truly offend others here is that you don't treat any of us as people, you just drop us into categories.

 

[HenryReardon]

In fact, I think that the way you truly offend others here is that you don't treat any of us as people, you just drop us into categories.

And you fit into them so neatly!

Not to worry, Rachel Maddow has already blamed the whole Ukraine situation on George Bush. Yet further proof that the mad cow is absolutely bat shit crazy.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not to worry, Rachel Maddow has already blamed the whole Ukraine situation on George Bush. Yet further proof that the mad cow is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Link?