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On-Topic Ukraine-Russia war will end on January 21st

Somewhat related...Hungary, no friend of liberal democracies in western europe and Ukraine, but tight friends with the Kremlin, is leaving the ICC.

Now they can have Putin come to visit.
 
Good ole JD, the gift that keeps on giving.

https://kyivindependent.com/after-r...-kyiv-vance-reposts-denunciation-of-zelensky/

He denounced Zelenskyy in response to the bombing of Kyiv back on the 24th. The American slams to Ukraine are so egregious, even the Germans are denounce us:

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-slams-trump-putin-partial-ceasefire-deal/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-to-russia-over-ukraine-german-minister-says

JD and Trump's bungling serves to rally Europe, even reluctant players like Germany.

Congratulations, MAGA, your brilliant deal artists have played themselves.
 
No one in Europe is the audeince, they don't give a shit what Germany thinks.
 
Ukraine seems to be sending Trump a message as much as Putin.

"No, we're not forgetting about Crimea. Thank you."

 
So after never really beginning, this is how it ends.

Not with a bang but a whimper.

TrumpCo. just slinks away.

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Well, we can't really blame Trump and Vance. Those stubborn Ukrainians never properly thanked them for desecrating all the lives sacrificed by Ukraine to save her country. Zelenskyy would rather fight than make Putin a new tsar. Go figure.
 
And we know that no matter what, rrrZZXia will not end the war.

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To absolutely no one's surprise, the Russians came to Istanbul with a poison pill. Their simple objective was to ask for capitulation as a precondition, and thereby force the Ukrainians to leave the table.

They laid out their demands in less than two hours, and the Ukrainian delegation withdrew.

It was fairly basic. "No, you can't rape our women. No, you can't dictate our ability to join NATO. No, we won't recognize the Donbas and Crimea as Russian. No, Zelenskyy won't resign. No, we won't accept Trump as abritrator for our sovereign nation. Fuck off."

Reuters article on peace talks
 
The reason Trump wants to distance himself from this war is that it can’t give him the easy win he prefers, same with Gaza. In both cases neither side wishes to compromise which makes for difficult negotiations and Trump doesn’t like difficult. The reality is to get these groups to the table and then forge a deal takes leadership and that’s not in Trumps toolbox.
 
As I noted in the other thread, Zelensky exposed Trump and Putin for what they are.

And also made it more than clear to Europe and other countries supporting Ukraine that the US and Rzzzia are not good faith partners in the peace process...which at least should trigger
the sanctions promised by the coalition countries.

And what has Trump done? Promised Putin even more besides de jure recognition of the seizure of Crimea and de facto occupation of the territory the rrrZZZianz still holds.

This all goes back to the 2019 meeting they had where Putin forced Trump to accept a scheme to divide the spoils when Rzzia would invade Ukraine as part of a promise to help Trump win 2020.

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rareboy said:
Trump is desperate to get the Nobel Peace Prize and time is running out.

God knows what Trump and Putin's memo will end up looking like, but I think we all know exactly the terms that it contains.

www.newsbreak.com

Putin agrees with Trump to work with Ukraine on memorandum on possible peace accord - NewsBreak

MOSCOW (Reuters) -Russian President Vladimir Putin, after a call with U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday, said that Moscow was ready to work with Ukrain
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All Putin is doing is stalling. That's clear to everyone. I bet even Toad knows. No one is buying it.
 
As I noted, Trump's only interest is that Nobel prize. Or to be considered as actually eligible now that he has nominated himself.

He won't care if all this leads to peace...be just wants to be able to claim that he brought rrZZZia to the table, declare that all the Kremlin's terms seem reasonable and then
blame Ukraine and Europe, Canada and the other partners for not wanting peace.

And yes, Putin is playing for time.

He has no intention of stopping his imperialist war of aggression to recreate the Soviet Union 2.0.
 
I would add that at this point, he's probably dead if he stops, probably dead if he doesn't, and definitely dead if he compromises on anything.
 
So really, they only talked about how TrumpCo. can get the back end of the deal if Putin gets de jure recognition for seizing Crimea, de facto recognition of their occupation of the
Donbas and Azov facing regions and how Trump can help Putin circumvent coalition sanctions.

Do I have that right?

Otherwise, they achieved nothing at all.

And one of the 'tells' is that TrumpCo. says it thinks it went 'very well'.
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The same modus operandi. Proclaim your own success, and point to something you had nothing to do with.

The press blurb was that "Ukraine and Russia will commence peace talks IMMEDIATELY. Clue. They started without you, Trump.

Good fucking grief.

Nothing good will come of it. Now Trump will again threaten Ukraine with US withdrawal of support, but maybe now the real NATO will be enough to keep Ukraine from folding.
 
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