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Undying love for my best friend...please read(long

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I know that everyone here is going to hate me for being the devil's advocate -- but here it goes...

Brian -- just be cautious, and don't forget about the reality of the situation. The advice that I see flying 'round here is based on hope that is just that -- hope. There is nothing wrong with hope just as long as you understand the reality of the situation, and I'm just worried that this advice is giving you a false sense of reality. Trust me -- to make a long story short, I can relate.

Most of us have been in a similar situation/triangle -- I am sure. Some of this advice is assuming that there will be a fairy tale ending that everyone has hoped for in themselves. There is nothing wrong with that either -- because we have experienced the same kind of love, however, there might be some hurt that goes along with it.

You also have this special and endearing friendship with Andy. Please take it a day at a time, appreciate it for the awesome thing that it is -- with no expectations. You have done all of the right things Brian -- you came out, you expressed your true feelings for him, and that will definitely make your friendship stronger. I was waiting on pins and needles, in this thread, for you to take these important steps -- and I am really proud of you.

Some of the most recent advice assumes a lot of about Andy -- and frankly -- my opinion is this -- whether or not Andy is bi and/or has feelings for you -- the ball will always be in his court, so there should be no pressure or expectations on your end in regards to your friendship. If anything was meant to happen -- now you know that you've done everything in your power -- with no regrets. And whatever happens between you (in regards to a deeper relationship) is up to Andy.

There will be nothing that will ever compare with your friendship with Andy. No matter what happens -- you will always hold a special place in your heart for each other. Amidst all of this -- you've got to assume that Andy is straight. For as long as Andy doesn't profess that he might be bi, or that he might have feelings for you -- it's *not* reality unless Andy reveals something more about himself: that might be now, that might be in the future, or that might never happen.

There are various factors that come into play: he doesn't realize that he's bi, he isn't ready to be out, he might not even realize what he feels for you, he might be in denial, his sexuality is untapped, etc. Last of all, he's got a pregnant girlfriend/fiancee! This is the reality IN ADDITION to the fact that on an emotional level, you depend on each other like you're committed. This is a solid fact -- and please realise that it's not necessarily good for your well-being because you seem co-dependent on someone who has not committed to you -- not as a partner, nor as a boyfriend.

Until then -- I hope that you remember to place you, and yourself, FIRST and FOREMOST in your life -- amidst supporting Andy. You have taken the right steps in wanting to finish school, but for as long as Andy is in a relationship with someone else, or is assumably straight-as-an-arrow, please don't let this friendship consume you to the point of placing your personal happiness aside and not moving forward in your life.

One of my mottos is this -- actions speak louder than words -- and for as long as he is with his pregnant girlfriend, he is committed to her first, then, you (even if your conversations imply otherwise).

Brian -- please don't take this all the wrong way. I have been reading this thread from the beginning, and have always hoped that you would pull through. The fact that you were honest with both yourself and Andy, and are headstrong about finishing school shows me that you have managed to have the strength to get yourself this far. However, some of the things that you mention really hit home, and I just wanted to lay my "two sense" out there. YOU come first, not nobody else but yourself.

I have written all of this based on the fact that some of the people on this thread seem to already assume that Andy will at some point "come to his senses and profess his true feelings for you". I realize that I will prob be judged negatively for my perspective -- please take this all with a grain of salt -- you will either see it as valuable, or not, and that is cool with me. Also -- you may have already realized all of the points that I made, so please accept my apologies. It's just that I definitely wouldn't be taking the time to write all of this if I didn't care about you in some way.

Brian -- Please take good care of yourself, and stay safe. My heart goes out to you.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

I'm not going to take anyone's head of for advocating caution. I totally think it's what Andy says over the next few days/weeks that will let us know. I have my solid reasons for being sure that Andy is bi, but I am on record as stating that he might not be able to give up his straight side or be in a romantic relationship and also that their relationship is already so freakin' tight it doesn't matter, they already share more love than most couples do, so even the worst case scenario is better than what many people ever find in their whole lives. If I could have someone like Andy but the trade off was that I could never touch him, I'd still say hell yeah.

Lucky for him though, the girl isn't pregnant anymore, you skipped through the last few pages ;)

lil_c, right as always...I look forward to hearing what Andy has to say over the next few days, that's how we'll know. But I can hope!
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Bri,

You need to just sit back and relax and wait until you see Andy in August. Take the lead on the phone calls and tell Andy not to be so down, that August will be here before he knows it. Continue your daily calls with him. You guys are so close that you don't want to stop them. You have the best of both worlds; a great plutonic relationship with Andy (yeah, I'm saying he's straight) and eventually a romantic relationship with the right guy. You're totally accepting of his girl and you know deep down that he will be accepting of whoever you meet. Actually, I think he'll be watching out for you so you don't hook up with the wrong guy. I don't think Andy was jealous of your relationship, sexual or otherwise, with Matt, I really think that he wanted to be there to make sure Matt was right for you.

Talk to you soon.

Joe.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Hey all.

Been reading all your posts and advice to me and I have this to say:

I do not know if Andy has any bi/gay issues...

I am holding onto the fantasy I have/had less and less each day that goes by. It hurts and it is not easy.

There is also some part in me that will never give up hope of something more. But that hope doesnt really run my life anymore(as hard as it is to fight it). Or make decisions for me.

I make decisions for me now.


That being said...

My buddy called me last night. He said he needed a favor and that he is going to need some money for getting cards(something they make you get when you work in Vegas) and that this will be the last time he asks for my help..I asked him how much..he said like around 500...

I dont know why..but I got really down. I could not explain it. He knew it and asked me if it was over the money. I told him no, that I helped him with much more than this before so it wasnt a money thing.

I told him I miss him and wished he was here in NYC.

He said he wished I was there in Vegas or that he was here in NYC with me too.

I told him that I had to go.

He said dont go, lets talk.

But my pain was too deep for that moment last night. It told him I would speak to him soon and hung up saying that I missed him terribly.

Talk to you all soon...Brian !oops!
 
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I understand your feelings for Andy. I do. I understand you'd do anything for him.
However I can't help but ask, where's the fiancé’s friends and family? This job he's getting is for the both of them. So why should the burden of bailing them out fall on you?
 
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looseliam said:
I understand your feelings for Andy. I do. I understand you'd do anything for him.
However I can't help but ask, where's the fiancé’s friends and family? This job he's getting is for the both of them. So why should the burden of bailing them out fall on you?

I was kind of thinking the same thing. This may sound rediculous and like an assholish thing to say, but what if he is still using you for money? It sounds like he asks for a lot and quite frequently. He may have just told you that he was using you for money before ot gain even more of your trust and ot make you think that's he's completely open to you. I know this isn't something that you want ot think about and I don't want it to be true for you either, but you have to consider the possibility looking back at all the mponey he's asked you for... Sorry if this upsets you, but I want you to have all the possible angles covered so you don't get hurt.
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

Actually, there are heteros who talk of and to their friends that way -- I don't think Andy's way of talking to Brian is evidence of anything yet -- suggestive, but not evidence in the least.

Brian, I'm wondering if on some level the money thing is bothering you. I didn't go back through the thread to look, but it seems to me you've gotten suddenly down before when he needed more money. You could be stressing over it or feeling despair and that translates into feeling down, and you don't even know it -- just something to think about, especially since you said you have no car or money for getting to Vegas when school is done.
As for school -- August will come fast. I came out last August, and can't believe how quick that first year anniversary is rolling around. I want it to be here, but on the other hand I don't.... But August will come, right on schedule, despite any anticipations or longings or wishes. Let's just keep on keepin' on, and let it get here on schedule, 'kay?
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

I can't say for sure, but I would expect he's down because he feels that Andy called just to ask for money. Brain: your thoughts?
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

The money thing does not bother me.

I mean, do I wish he gets on his feet soon and DOESNT HAVE to ask me for financial help? Of course..I want the very best for him.

It is a strain sometimes and stressful...but Im more than happy to help him out if I can do it.

Secondly, he does not use me at all. I went through my depression phase over what he told me he used to do in the beginning of our friendship. He does not use me..we had many open talks about this and he till this day feels deeply bad about it. It was the person he was and that had all changed once he got to know me. He said by meeting me, that offered him a way out of his bad past.


Thing bout me and Andy...I used to go to him for training sessions in the gym...and after a while we were meeting by the gym, not for training sessions but to talk, about our problems and our future..people started talking at his work with his other trainer friends about how he could be spending so much time talking to me(he would cancel clients so he could hang out longer with me)..and what exactly did he see in me as a friend....we were so different..and on every level we are exactly the same.

There was a time in my life when I had nothing too and he was there for me...

As for his fiancee's family...her parents are divorced and her father lives with another girl...unless its problems about cars, he is of no help...her mother doesnt like Andy deep down and wouldnt help out even if she could...which she cant though...

His mom is very poor and is living on the road in a truck with her boyfriend, who is a trucker...shes moving to Vegas in the same complex as my buddy as we speak...either tonight or tomorrow.

His dad speaks to him very infrequently and for some months not at all.

He told me that he knows what I go through being gay..because everyone judges him too..they judge him as a loser...and lazy..and someone who is not a go-getter.

I love him so much. He saved my life. He has tons of talent and I know he will make it doing something big.

His wife isnt even that supportive. I am unwavering in my support for him and he is me.

We cannot do anything wrong by each other, thats how much we are friends. We both said that we try to stay mad at each other and sometimes we even try..but we cannot..not even for a few minutes.

I feel like I am looking into my soul when I see and hear Andy..he is such a great person. I wish everyone could know him. Hes kind, understanding, generous and smart, both street and otherwise. Having no GED doesnt mean he is worthless as much as everyone tells him he is.

I cannot wait to see him again. bri !oops!
 
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LostVegas said:
...he is such a great person. I wish everyone could know him. Hes kind, understanding, generous and smart, both street and otherwise.

I smell a road trip. Vegas JUB anyone? ;)

I didn't mean to pry nor put words in your mouth, but I was just wondering.
He is lucky to have someone such as you on his side no matter what. I can't begin to imagine the struggles he's going through right now.

So, how's the Matt situation. You mention you and he were 'busy' the other night. Are things back on?
 
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Relationship is not really on. We are friends and we talk..and when we are both in the mood for some lovin, we are on call for each other, but right now thats about it with him. Bri
 
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Hey, I'll just say it again...

...to remind you cuz you already know this...

...you already have more than most people can ever hope for. If this is all you ever get, you still get more than most people ever get in their whole lives.

My buddy Joe was always asking for favors, too, which I provided happily. People put him down for being uneducated and being a little miscreant when he was growing up. His wife's mom didn't like him at first. I think he's a smart little fucker...maybe uneducated, but he's way better at solving problems and figuring stuff out than I am. If you want to have a debate on nuclear policy, call me. If your car breaks down, call Joe. Which one's more useful?

Even you're only ever best friends, you're the best friends ever! Anything else aside, future aside, second-guessing what he wants aside...it's just so awesome to see you two being friends again. If anything else is meant to happen, it will happen naturally, not because it was forced. Just relax, bask in the fact that you have anyone on this earth watching out for you that closely, and we'll see what comes next.

Later buddy!

Lawrencebomb, I'm not really that wise. I learn from my mistakes and they are legion. The GAYDAR comes from being aware, observant, and open. The open part is most important...you all second-guess your GAYDAR too much. It's not the first time I have provided this service though. The very first time was, a guy asked me if his brother was gay (one of my best friends, I knew he would be supportive). I met him and we exchanged like 3 sentences, "hey how are you, pleasure to meet you," etc. The answer was yes, definitely, although most of you would have prolly thought he was straight. By coinidence me and the brother got on the same plane flight home, I had a connection in Dallas, which was his stop. When he got off the plane, he got met by all his gay friends who were very happy to see him and they all went off and were gay together. He was really cute, too...I so wished I didn't have another flight to catch.

It comes in real handy in the Marine bar. Believe me, we're talking the straightest group on the planet, or so you'd think. You can't sneak by me though.

If you've got a friend and you want to know what's up, send me some pics and I'll let you know, so you can know whether he's worth the time or not!
 
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TOTALLY off Topic! ...

What the Heck happened with lil_c_boy? :confused:

It says "banned" under his name, and his home page has been disabled! :eek:

Any clues? Anyone?? :(
 
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Kyanimal said:
TOTALLY off Topic! ...

What the Heck happened with lil_c_boy? :confused:

It says "banned" under his name, and his home page has been disabled! :eek:

Any clues? Anyone?? :(

Good question! What happened?
 
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Bri ...

Things certainly have changed in such a short time! All seems to be running along the right tracks, now! ..|

And "the money thing" may be coming to a close, too. This last request may well be the "last" request. (I certainly hope so!)

Andy has found a job, and this "investment" to help him secure it may be your best yet. I'm not clear about what he means by "cards". But if it gets him in the door, a valet position, especially in "Lost Wages", can prove to be a Very lucrative one for him.

With his Street Smarts, and apparent Charm, it's quite possible for him to make a Very Nice living "running" cars. Let's just hope he can hold onto it! Encourage him to not think of it as "work", but more like "Fun"! Afterall, being successful at a job like that takes the same "moves" as being a good Poker player!

He'll be getting a chance to experience some "kewl" Rides, while possibly "coaxing" some decent bucks out of the pockets of the tourists, wannabes, and rollers! Who knows? Pretty soon He may be able to start helping out with Your tuition and books!! :D ..|

But ... no matter what ...

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Ky ;)
 
Re: Undying love for my best friend...please read(long)

This one is more of an update on my feelings...


Been kind of down this weekend....didnt really do anything productive..missing my buddy way too much..wish he was here to hang out...woke up to a message from him last night but was too tired and fell back asleep...


I miss him terribly...just way too much. I dont know how to deal with this emptiness...I dont think friend wise or partner wise Ill ever meet someone who will make my soul feel like it does when I even think about Andy...

Talk to you all later... !oops!
 
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I know how you feel dude, and it really sucks. You're lucky he isn't too freaked out by your love though. Once my best friend found out... he broke off ALL contact with me, completely... I guess it was too much for him to take. Seriously though, if I weer you, and could afford it, I'd fly to Vegas REALLY soon, it will seriously help make you happier, and help him know that you WILL always be there for him when he's down as well.
 
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Kyanimal said:
TOTALLY off Topic! ...

What the Heck happened with lil_c_boy? :confused:

It says "banned" under his name, and his home page has been disabled! :eek:

Any clues? Anyone?? :(

Hey guys, I just had an email xchange with him, everythings fine. Although he was more mature than half the peeps on here, he was not actually quite old enough by the calendar. He was going through a very similar thing to Brian when he found this thread and felt compelled to join. He apologizes and says hey to everyone, especially Brian. I really feel he was mature enough and I'll miss him for the 9 months or so he has to wait til he's grown up enuf to talk to us again ;)
 
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is there any way you can get to Vegas, even just for a few days? Priceline maybe? It will really, really do you two good to see each other. We'll try to help you think of something...what do we have to work with? Can you get away? Do you have any extra money? If I could have Sam back for one day I'd sell everything I owned.
 
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