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USA tipping culture

Jory said:
This is the average Federal minimum wage each State can set it higher but not below $2.35
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as Alpha1851 pointed out and i understood.
But i still think it is unfair for waiters no matter how big the tips are.
 
Telstra said:
as Alpha1851 pointed out and i understood.
But i still think it is unfair for waiters no matter how big the tips are.
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Unfair? No doubt on that. but the custom is so old that I doubt it ever changes. I've written dozens of long posts on tipping. Feel free to do a search on JUB; right now I just don't have the time.

There are courses taught at universities that study how tipping became the custom. And I'm celebrating tonight, and not up to a long serious post.

Since I am in the industry I can confirm that employers are *supposed* to make up the hourly rate to the federal minimum wage. But you don't believe that every Ma & Pa restaurant seriously does that, do you? I hope not.

The truth is that very often the server actually pays to work at the restaurant. If the server is very fortunate to have health insurance, the cost of the premium actually exceeds their paycheck - thus they pay their employer on payday, not the other way around.

And I know many servers that don't even bother clocking in. They just show up and work.

I'll leave the opinions to all of you guys and just present the facts tonight.
 
Jory said:
This is the average Federal minimum wage each State can set it higher but not below $2.35
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That's the direct wage, not the federal minimum wage. I actually thought the direct wage was $2.13, but maybe it has went up. The employer must pay the employee that direct wage every hour that they work, regardless as to how much money they earn in tips. At the end of the pay period, the employee's direct wage (what the employer must pay them per hour), plus tips (money they earn from customers), must be at least equal to the federal minimum wage which is currently $6.55 but will raise to $7.25 at the end of July. If the state minimum wage is higher, the employee gets the larger benefit. If the employee does not earn at least minimum wage, the employer has to make up the difference. There are exceptions to this rule of course.

Not that it really matters. I just don't want Telstra to worry.
 
snapcat said:
Since I am in the industry I can confirm that employers are *supposed* to make up the hourly rate to the federal minimum wage. But you don't believe that every Ma & Pa restaurant seriously does that, do you? I hope not.
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True. That's b/c many employers lie, or don't know their obligations and employees either believe the lies and/or they don't know their rights. It's all on the Dept of Labor website though. Pretty easy to find.

But, why do you hope that the Ma and Pa restaurant owners aren't paying at least the minimum?

I think tipping sucks as well. I'd rather have businesses (all of them) raise the prices to whatever they want to make their profit and pay their employees. That way there's no confusion about it and it will be easier. I don't think rewarding someone w/ a big tip makes absolutely no difference in service unless you frequent the place very regularly. We're a generation of "me, me, me," and it's doubtful that any service provider will remember you from Adam. Especially if they are waiting on several tables or have carried numerous bags, or have driven plenty of folks in the taxi. I seriously doubt they are pondering whether the big tip was result of their hard work and efforts or the small tip was a result of their poor attitude and lack of knowledge. Instead, the employee probably figures that flirting up a storm led to the bigger tip and the customer's snarky attitude or our current poor economy lead to the bad tip.

Plus, I don't believe tips really get counted into the taxes appropriately and there are definitely some employers who are not paying their workers at least the minimum. I'm guessing that about half of us would prefer to do away w/ the tipping system w/ the other half adamantly supporting it. Either way, it looks the custom is here to stay.
 
Nah, i'm not worry.

No wonder USA is the home of illegal immigrants. So don't complain about immagrants. They can hide anywhere they want because they work almost for nothing.

Its good to be restaurant owners there. Pay very little and make heaps of money.
 
Something I notice as well is every one is imagining the worst possible outcome from tipping. There are some people who earn quite a good salary who are tip earners. It is not like all people who work and mostly make their money from tips are poor.

Like I said in a previous post I guess tipping can seem weird it if is not something you are used to doing, but for us in North America it is something that is part of everyday life and we a very accustomed to it. Again tipping is something that is not written in stone, it is not like they have tipping police or patrol that are going to give you a ticket if you do not tip, and ultimately you do not have to tip, it is your choice.
 
now,
something about personal trainer and tipping.
They can becomes an escort if the tipping is good.:lol:

I guess people can tip their professors handsomely to get a degree. :lol:
 
telstra, I have been to australia and LOVED it.

I honestly hate tipping. Not because I don't think they deserve the money, it is assumed that is required. You get lashed at if you do not leave a tip.
 
If you don't tip a waiter at a restaurant you are stealing from them. They have to claim a portion of your bill as earnings. I think at least 7%. Many waiter have to tip out other employees from the money that you are supposed to tip them. I worked at a place once where they took money (almost 5% of your sales) out for Busboys, food runners and Bartenders.
 
newguyj said:
If you don't tip a waiter at a restaurant you are stealing from them. They have to claim a portion of your bill as earnings. I think at least 7%. Many waiter have to tip out other employees from the money that you are supposed to tip them. I worked at a place once where they took money (almost 5% of your sales) out for Busboys, food runners and Bartenders.
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NOT here if the employer pay them fairly for their work/time.
 
what about weddings reception?
Over here everything is already paid upfront before the wedding and all the wedding guests pay NO one on the day.

How about over there in a wedding reception? Do the guests pay tips to the waiters ?
 
i am generally a very good tipper. even though i dont personally know what its like to have to work for tips. i have a lot of friends who work for tips.
 
lurchinurchin said:
newguyj: utter nonsense - let the waitstaff prosecute me for stealing after they give shit service. Any judge woul THROW THAT OUT. It isn't stealing at all. Where do you live...IT ISN'T STEALING. And if given bad service I don't give a stuff what they have to claim to revenue. That'd their problem and they should then collect from the restaurant by legal action if they are so inclined...the more I think about this the less I feel like tipping...
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i understood where newguyj is coming from.
If tipping is the culture and you don't tip. It felt like stealing yes, its the feeling, being pressured to tip ....;)


Back to tipping:
good service = nice to someone = lick balls = tip = money
bad service = don't know how to be nice = not licking your balls = no tip
 
For all those who are not from the US and are confused about, or more to the point, antagonistic to tipping. You could stay in your own non-tipping countries if it bothers you so much.

I know when I went to Thailand, say, I took off my shoes before entering temples, I refrained from pointing with my feet, I tried to respect Thai culture.

If you come to the US and refuse to tip, because it's not part of your culture, it kind of makes you an oaf. Doesn't it?

Think of tipping as working to your own self interest as well. Pay for your first drink and not add a tip for the bartender, and I can assure you that he will be very slow to notice you next time you're thirsty, and I'm sure the second drink will be weaker and not as well mixed. Do you really want that for yourself?
 
I might also add that quite often meals and drinks cost much less in the US than elsewhere. Even a simple cup of coffee in Europe, for example. The price of a cocktail in Tokyo, when I was there, was higher than it would have been here....

So, how's it hurt you financially when visiting the USA to throw a dollar tip into the mix?
 
gratuity:   /grəˈtuɪti, -ˈtyu-/
1. a gift of money, over and above payment due for service, as to a waiter or bellhop; tip.
2. something given without claim or demand.
3. British. a. a bonus granted to war veterans by the government.
b. a bonus given military personnel on discharge or retirement.

From About.com...

Legend has it, the word "tip" itself came years ago from a pub owner who used the acronym on a box "To Insure Promptness." In that spirit, tipping should be thought of first and foremost as a reward for prompt and attentive service.

http://hotels.about.com/od/hotelsecrets/a/tipping.html
 
NineOfClubs said:
For all those who are not from the US and are confused about, or more to the point, antagonistic to tipping. You could stay in your own non-tipping countries if it bothers you so much.

I know when I went to Thailand, say, I took off my shoes before entering temples, I refrained from pointing with my feet, I tried to respect Thai culture.

If you come to the US and refuse to tip, because it's not part of your culture, it kind of makes you an oaf. Doesn't it?

Think of tipping as working to your own self interest as well. Pay for your first drink and not add a tip for the bartender, and I can assure you that he will be very slow to notice you next time you're thirsty, and I'm sure the second drink will be weaker and not as well mixed. Do you really want that for yourself?
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no no no you got the wrong idea. i'm not antagonistic to tipping.
i just want to point out the dis-advantage of tipping.

1/ customers feels pressured to tip
1a/ waiters feels angry if they don't get a tip
2/ low wages because of tipping system (tipping is part of workers wage)
3/ workers expect or demand to be tipped
4/ customers & waiters may not see eye to eye because of tiny tip or perceived bad service. What if not enough stuff and too busy hence really bad service , no tip to waiters ?
5/ waiters circling the rich and don't bother to go near the poor


Advantage of not tipping:
1/ you know how much you going to pay
2/ no arguements about this customer or that customer is cheap shit
3/ waiters treat everyone as equal


in the end, its not big deal. We just have a chat thats all. so this thread is annoying hey ;)
 
Point taken.

My limited experience visiting non-tipping places is mixed...

In the Bahamas a service charge was always added, and the service was abysmal.

In Japan, there's no tipping, and everything (even fast food) is perfection.

For us, in the US, I see no changes coming to the system.....
 
Telstra said:
what about weddings reception?
Over here everything is already paid upfront before the wedding and all the wedding guests pay NO one on the day.

How about over there in a wedding reception? Do the guests pay tips to the waiters ?
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Guests are Guests at Wedding receptions. If the people getting married/coupled/unionized make their guests pay, it is not a wedding reception. That's called dinner. :(

However, yes, the person(s) PAYING for the wedding reception, particularly if it is a sit-down meal are expected to tip the facility. In most cases it is such a large amount a 20% gratuity is simply added to the bill.
 
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