"Vaccine didn't work, never work .... "

[eastofeden]

The CDC recommendation for Shingrix over Zostavax came out at the end of October. One of the press releases that I saw said that GSK would begin delivering Shingrix as soon as the end of November. You can check with your local pharmacy but I would expect to see Shingrix replacing Zostavax in early 2018 at most clinics and pharmacies.

The one difference between the two immunizations is that Shingrix is two shots given 2 months apart. But given the success rate and the fact that CDC is even recommending Shingrix for people who got Zostavax in the past, it's worth waiting for Shingrix.

Perfect! I will wait....and I appreciate the info and help...from yourself and everyone else who weighed in..thanks!! (and thanks to Telstra for starting the topic! )

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I like the Roman legion shield wall as illustration for herd immunity.

I loved the Pietà featuring Andrew Wakefield!

 

[frankfrank]

The one difference between the two immunizations is that Shingrix is two shots given 2 months apart. But given the success rate and the fact that CDC is even recommending Shingrix for people who got Zostavax in the past, it's worth waiting for Shingrix.

It wouldn't surprise me it's a few thousand dollars. Hell yeah I'll do that - I HAVE had the Zostavax three or five years ago, but I was told that I'm still left with a 1-in-3 chance of getting shingles. That's unacceptable if I can reduce it instead to 1-in-10, especially to help protect against something that could KILL ME.

Shingles doesn't do that, but the resulting lack of sleep could indeed lead to heart attack or something else serious; or an impaired immune system making it easier to have other ailments, cells and organs having less than optimal capacity to keep themselves in shape, etc.

I'm also assuming that Zostavax PLUS the new vaccine make the odds even better?

 

[KaraBulut]

It wouldn't surprise me it's a few thousand dollars.

The price will probably be similar to the HPV and Hep B vaccines- in the $200-300 range.

Under ACA rules, it will be covered as a preventative treatment. It will probably take Medicare B a few months to write the policy that will cover it (they're always slow but under the current administration's chaos, expect it to be even slower).

...I'm also assuming that Zostavax PLUS the new vaccine make the odds even better?

Because the Shingrix studies showed a >90% prevention rate for shingles, the CDC recommended that Shingrix be a replacement for Zostavax even for patients who had already received Zostavax.

 

[mikey3000]

What I am going to say you can interpret any way you like..I go back and forth myself....

I never had the flu in my life ....so I never took a flu shot until a doctor sorta convinced me it was a good idea...

...and then I got the shot...and I got the flu....and it sucked....

..neither had I ever had pneumonia....but the doctor convinced me with my heart thing it is a good idea to get a shot...

...so I did..and then I got pneumonia.....

...and NOW...I keep hearing about the shingles and the shot I could get...F U C K ......

...I would be a fool not to consider that it might be a bad idea....

Here't the thing. Most doctors would not even consider that I am a physical empath. They would dismiss it..but it is real and it has been scary as hell more than once...like when I had the same physical symptoms as my mom when she was dying...my arm even turned yellow....so maybe..just maybe...since they don't even recognize my condition...that maybe my body is not compatible with the "shots"....

I know that I will not get a definitive answer but occasionally I talk to a lady who completely "gets it" and so I will ask her what she thinks as I trust her to at least give me the best answer and/or tell me if she doesn't know.

I have taken a flu shot three times, years apart, and each year I got severe flu. But now it's more serious...

My wife is a lymphoma survivor and had a stem cell transplant fifteen months ago. Three months back they started to re-immunize her and about 6 weeks ago she got the Shingles vaccine Zostavax. Two weeks ago we rushed her into emergency where it was discovered she has Shingles...and Acute Myeloid Leukemia. There is no treatment left for her now and are just keeping her comfortable on hydromorphone while we consider hospice care. They've given her maybe a couple months to live.

So I don't know what to think anymore.

 

[Telstra]

so for mikey,
flu vaccine does not work.

 

[KaraBulut]

I have taken a flu shot three times, years apart, and each year I got severe flu. But now it's more serious...

Out of curiosity, did they do nasal smears to confirm that it was the flu and determine which strain it was?

My wife is a lymphoma survivor and had a stem cell transplant fifteen months ago. Three months back they started to re-immunize her and about 6 weeks ago she got the Shingles vaccine Zostavax. Two weeks ago we rushed her into emergency where it was discovered she has Shingles...and Acute Myeloid Leukemia. There is no treatment left for her now and are just keeping her comfortable on hydromorphone while we consider hospice care. They've given her maybe a couple months to live.

Sorry to hear about your wife's illness.

Zostavax should not be given to someone with lymphoma or leukemia and unfortunately, it sounds like they weren't aware of her AML before she was immunized.

The virus that is in Zostavax is a specific strain of HZV and when these outbreaks occur, they do cultures to determine whether the lesions are from the original chickenpox infection (that was already there before the shot) or from the strain of virus in the shot. Most of the time, the virus was from the pre-existing infection, not the shot. In the US, we would complete an adverse reaction report to the CDC and determine where the shingles came from. It's something that you can ask your doctor if you want to know for sure.

Again, sorry that your wife is ill- it's the news that noone wants to hear.

 

[mikey3000]

That's the point. There was no AML before the Zostavax. Because she was a allogeneic stem cell recipient at Princess Margaret Hospital, one of the top cancer research hospitals on the planet, we had regular follow ups at least monthly. Everything was clear until two weeks ago when the rash first broke out and I took her into emerg. to another hospital as PMH does not have an emergency dept. It was discovered at TGH. Since then they have done swabs left and right but no one is talking. It was our family doctor who gave the Zostavax, not the hospital.

As for me, no, no one did any swabs on my flus, but they were extreme and lasted for months.

 

[Benvolio]

That's the point. There was no AML before the Zostavax. Because she was a allogeneic stem cell recipient at Princess Margaret Hospital, one of the top cancer research hospitals on the planet, we had regular follow ups at least monthly. Everything was clear until two weeks ago when the rash first broke out and I took her into emerg. to another hospital as PMH does not have an emergency dept. It was discovered at TGH. Since then they have done swabs left and right but no one is talking. It was our family doctor who gave the Zostavax, not the hospital.

As for me, no, no one did any swabs on my flus, but they were extreme and lasted for months.

Zostavax is a live attenuated virus and is not recommended for patients with compromised immune systems. It

 

[mikey3000]

I know that now, but I think my family doctor should've known that too. The oncologist is saying that the ANAL most likely came from the donor's stem cells. Shouldn't there be a screening process in place for this?

 

[mikey3000]

ANAL? What?!?!? I meant AML.

 

[Zeno Lorea]

I'm pretty sure the OP is now lost in this discussion.

 

[Kulindahr]

He doesn't. Anyone who thinks that vaccines were invented to cause sterility and infertility wouldn't even get a job teaching grade school science. He's worse than Flat Earthers because his 'opinions' can KILL PEOPLE.

Absolutely.

The only instance of a connection between vaccines and sterility that I'm aware of was in India, where the government deliberately added something to the vaccines administered in poor villages that made many people sterile.

 

[Kulindahr]

"Seeming" or "sounding" like someone knows what they are talking about doesn't mean they do.

Definitely. The bizarre tele-preachers who promise that if you kneel in front of your TV while they're praying then you'll get a huge check in the mail or get healed or something tend to sound like they know what they're talking about -- when in truth hey don't even know what the Bible is talking about (or they wouldn't say such stupid things). And those preachers have an important thing in common with this charlatan: the point is to get people to send them money.

 

[Kulindahr]

After catching up on this thread, I'm sitting here trying to remember if I ever had chickenpox. I know I had the measles, for sure, but not anything else.


I'm also wondering how the episodes of "freezing" I sometimes get relate to autism.


But I have no worries about getting my flu shot soon.

 

[mikey3000]

Just a thought... if your kid is immunized and mine isn't, what's it to you?

 

[freefall]

^What precisely do you mean? The question's too short for my understanding.

 

[Rubber Rat]

Definitely. The bizarre tele-preachers who promise that if you kneel in front of your TV while they're praying then you'll get a huge check in the mail or get healed or something tend to sound like they know what they're talking about -- when in truth hey don't even know what the Bible is talking about (or they wouldn't say such stupid things). And those preachers have an important thing in common with this charlatan: the point is to get people to send them money.

Agreed.

 

[Telstra]

Just a thought... if your kid is immunized and mine isn't, what's it to you?

They said the virus would mutate ...
that is why they want to immunize everyone to get rid off certain viruses at once like small pox or polio.

 

[Telstra]

I'm pretty sure the OP is now lost in this discussion.

of course when i got bored with the topic, i stop reading it ...