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On-Topic WH Admits it Lied About All People Being Able to Keep Their Health Insurance

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The Administration decided back in 2010 that some people make bad purchases of health insurance and that they, the Administration, know better often costing the individual more. The comparison of the government deciding what car you should own is spot on.
 
Jack Springer said:
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The Administration decided back in 2010 that some people make bad purchases of health insurance and that they, the Administration, know better often costing the individual more. The comparison of the government deciding what car you should own is spot on.
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It actually borders on mental deficiency. People who buy cars actually have only to deal with themselves, their own needs and their knowledge of cars. Insurance - ANY insurance - has to deal with EVERYONE, not to mention that most regular folks don't know anything about it.
 
bankside said:
You're missing the point of how insurance works. It's like saying "Mr. President, recently I was shocked to discover that car insurance covered my neighbour's minivan, when I don't even own that minivan, nor, clearly, would I ever drive one. What are you going to do about it?"

Insurance pays for things that aren't about you, because it is about pooling risk. That is the main point of this financial product.
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You pay for that pooling effect in all insurance products. It is how it works.
 
JayHawk said:
You pay for that pooling effect in all insurance products. It is how it works.
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Well ideally you would be able to pool risk only with people whose illnesses you approve of, so that the other people could go and die by themselves without any help.

That is ideal....isn't it???
 
Rolyo85 said:
It actually borders on mental deficiency. People who buy cars actually have only to deal with themselves, their own needs and their knowledge of cars. Insurance - ANY insurance - has to deal with EVERYONE, not to mention that most regular folks don't know anything about it.
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You are totally missing the point. Stubborn?
 
I'll refer to it as your party loyalism to the detriment of the country.
 
Kulindahr said:
It's a pile of crap. It's only redeeming quality is that it's somewhat of an improvement over what we had.
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It was poorly thought out and implemented, You can not rush out a complete Reform of Health Insurance and not expect some serious problems.
The Insurance Policies being cancelled were not all lousy, Obama actually said "MOST" of the Policies were lousy.
He is now trying to have some of those Policies "Grandfathered" in.
The cost of the Plans given on the website are only "estimates" While many will get an affordable policy, More are in for sticker shock as they see policies "Double" what they have been paying.
 
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A big part of the problem is Sebelius. Kitty Kat's focus as HHS Secretary was to implement Obama's radical abortion policy but with Obamacare her priorities were shifted. She's not capable of orchestrating a revision of 1/5th of the American economy.
 
Still it is the only plan in town, the republican party has oft said they would replace it but NEVER EVER EVER offer a plan that Americans could consider. Isnt it sad when one party abdicates their duites in this country? So Sad...

The other sad fact is eventually it will work and millions more will be insured... hell tens of millions more than had to change their plans. But republicans don't really give a shit about that, in fact you will never hear them mention a single breath about the massive group of Americans they prefer to die than to give medical care.
 
Jack Springer said:
The republicans have offered changes in health care --- but not a overhaul like the democrats.

Just a few of the plans offered . . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c111:./temp/~c111tPT6NA

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collection.action?collectionCode=BILLS

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c111:./temp/~c111OVIW6d

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c111:./temp/~c111OVIW6d
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The first one is a reply to the ACA that keeps all the items that poll well in America and offers ZERO details on how they would do such a thing as "ask pretty please for the states to pick up the tab... we all know the states are broke and we would have more than the current thirty nine refusing to play ball.

The second is a broken link, but to be fair that probably accurately describes the plan you were trying to float.

The third link is a listing of congressional bills with no specificity. While I applaud your recognition of where laws come from it still represents no health care bill. It does represent an obstructive republican party controlling the house, stopping progress and hurting America..... so in that vein it does represent a republican plan.

The fourth link timed out. Which is a great way to explain what is happening to the republican party. Time has moved on and they have been left out.

The fifth and final link is a folly of errors similar to the previous four..... are you taking hints from republicans and figure if you post the same broken link over and over it will mean something? If so, then by my count you have 38 more links to post to hit 43 useless attempts to NOT provide health care but pretend real nice like you are.....

Jack you do make this easy.
 
Jack Springer said:
The republicans have offered changes in health care --- but not a overhaul like the democrats.

Just a few of the plans offered . . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c111:./temp/~c111tPT6NA

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collection.action?collectionCode=BILLS

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c111:./temp/~c111OVIW6d

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c111:./temp/~c111OVIW6d
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Not even ONE of those links works for me.

It's actually a rather profound statement of what Republicans are offering in the way of healthcare. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
 
Bill Clinton said yesterday that Obama should own up to his lie and make good on his promise of people being able to keep their insurance. It's humorous that Clinton who told his share of lies in the 90's would tell Obama to tell the truth.

Obamacare is huge mess. Huge programs that affect so much of the US economy should not be passed by a one party vote. The confusion is going to get worse. The web site is corrupt and not safe to enter personal information. Americans will only have 2 weeks to purchase insurance ... that is if the web site is actually working and secure.

Obamacare is a MESS.
 
Jack Springer said:
Bill Clinton said yesterday that Obama should own up to his lie and make good on his promise of people being able to keep their insurance. It's humorous that Clinton who told his share of lies in the 90's would tell Obama to tell the truth.

Obamacare is huge mess. Huge programs that affect so much of the US economy should not be passed by a one party vote. The confusion is going to get worse. The web site is corrupt and not safe to enter personal information. Americans will only have 2 weeks to purchase insurance ... that is if the web site is actually working and secure.

Obamacare is a MESS.
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It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
 
Rolyo85 said:
It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
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Nonsense. Republicans fought the enactment tooth and nail. This is a Democrat mess and the people will not allow you to lie out of it as usual. The big question is how soon enough Dems will join in the effort to repeal it.
 
Rolyo85 said:
It was bipartisan. And the larger chunk of the law is Republican. Go bark at your own tree.
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You've pushed this lie about Obamacare being a bipartisan law before. It's a lie and you know it.

Senate vote:
On December 23, the Senate voted 60–39 to end debate on the bill: a cloture vote to end the filibuster by opponents. The bill then passed by a vote of 60–39 on December 24, 2009, with all Democrats and two independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against (except for Jim Bunning, who did not vote).[101] The bill was endorsed by the AMA and AARP.[102]
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House vote:
The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it.[117]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
 
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