what a load of bullshit. disciplining your kids with a belt may increase the risk of a mental illness.

[yeahright1991]

Refuji vs a scientific study - doesnt shock me.

 

[SuprSonic]

Anecdotally, my experience matches up with the study. I was spanked as a child. As an teen and adult I've dealt with anxiety and depression.

 

[jasoncrew03]

Anecdotally, my experience matches up with the study. I was spanked as a child. As an teen and adult I've dealt with anxiety and depression.

I'm not trying to prove anything with this, I am honestly interested in your response. Do you believe that your anxiety and depression was caused by your being spanked? Have you ruled out the possibility that you may have been depressed because of your home life, being gay, genetic predisposition, etc?

 

[evanrick]

lets back this train up and replace spanking with war and child with adult

adults that go to war commit suicide, suicides are skyrocketing in the military, so to think that physical abusing your child doesn't give them mental problems doesn't square with reality.

age doesnt matter, the type of violence or setting doesn't matter. we are all humans and childhood is probably the worst time to experience that kind of pain.

 

[MMMonsterBoy]

Let me see now...a young couple, first time parents, needing advice and guidance how best to raise their babies. Who do they turn to? Social workers, psychologists and researchers? OR...their own parents, grandparents, extended families and friends who have actually raised babies of their own? The latter would be the wise choice. The former is just plain silly. There is certainly some value in books on child rearing, but nobody does it better then dear old Grandma or Mama, who will patiently, tenderly and lovingly walk you through it all. Besides they are free day and night for those panicky calls.

Spot on. I mean, one can read as many self-help books or as many studies as they like, but you never know until you're raising/have raised your own children. Books and scientific research does not define all experiences. I'm sure my mother doesn't regret spanking me and I don't regret it either. I'm not an abused victim, and I am surely not going to blame all my problems on being spanked as a child.

 

[bankside]

We'll come to a time when hitting your child is unacceptable.

Just like we've now come to a time where hitting around your wife to get her to act right is now unacceptable.

I agree. Or like the way we now view drunk driving.

 

[Benvolio]

We'll come to a time when hitting your child is unacceptable.

Just like we've now come to a time where hitting around your wife to get her to act right is now unacceptable.

The difference is that parents do need to control their children and children do need to learn self discipline. If the wife did not learn control as a child, it is too late. Children need to learn and be taught.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

We'll come to a time when hitting your child is unacceptable.

Just like we've now come to a time where hitting around your wife to get her to act right is now unacceptable.

really ooh

da time now is world ova
SSSH"

anyway

long live turtulls
-yeaaaaa-

 

[Benvolio]

I don't know why people are trying to debunk the research as a whole. The research is there and it's true. The research isn't saying that spanking will cause one to develop mental disorders, but it just increases the risk. With that, just because people here have been spanked or whipped and turned out fine doesn't mean they didn't have an increased risk.

It's important to know the difference between causation and association. You can't dismiss the research just because it didn't apply to you and/or a few others you know.

All too often this kind of research is designed to confirm the testers prior beliefs. It is not like testing in physics or chemistry. There are too many variables. Also it defies common sense and experience. How many kids in history grew up without ever being spanked? What percentage turned out to have mental problems.

 

[PreTTy PeTe]

If you need to hit a child you are fucked.

If you hit your child you will fuck up the kid.

and the wheels on the bus go round and round.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Re: Our Society has changed from Patriarchy to a feminised Infantocracy

This has become the prevailing educational dogma of our time. Pain of any kind must be avoided, at all times and at all costs.

High school science is taught via the baking of cookies, literature by watching movies and maths by playing animated video games. Many schools, many parents, believe it is ''cruel'' to reveal children's marks to the class. Fine for everyone to know who's the best swimmer or footballer, but when it comes to Latin verbs or differential equations, evident inadequacy could be scarring.

If it's not altogether fun and feelgood for the kiddies, it's not acceptable. In many ways this might be seen as democracy's inevitable endgame, but the unspoken rationale goes something like this:

One. Happiness is more important than anything; more important than goodness, decency, wealth, duty, achievement or knowledge. More important even than friendship or love, which matter only insofar as they bring happiness.

Two. Our primary job, as parents, is to maximise our children's future happiness. Three. Future happiness builds on present happiness. Four. Present happiness requires self-esteem, maximum pleasure and, as nearly as possible, the absence of pain.

Pain prevention therefore becomes the parent's paramount task.


Read more: Spare the rod, spoil the planet

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Re: Our Society has changed from Patriarchy to a feminised Infantocracy

This has become the prevailing educational dogma of our time. Pain of any kind must be avoided, at all times and at all costs.

High school science is taught via the baking of cookies, literature by watching movies and maths by playing animated video games. Many schools, many parents, believe it is ''cruel'' to reveal children's marks to the class. Fine for everyone to know who's the best swimmer or footballer, but when it comes to Latin verbs or differential equations, evident inadequacy could be scarring.

If it's not altogether fun and feelgood for the kiddies, it's not acceptable. In many ways this might be seen as democracy's inevitable endgame, but the unspoken rationale goes something like this:

One. Happiness is more important than anything; more important than goodness, decency, wealth, duty, achievement or knowledge. More important even than friendship or love, which matter only insofar as they bring happiness.

Two. Our primary job, as parents, is to maximise our children's future happiness. Three. Future happiness builds on present happiness. Four. Present happiness requires self-esteem, maximum pleasure and, as nearly as possible, the absence of pain.

Pain prevention therefore becomes the parent's paramount task.


Read more: Spare the rod, spoil the planet

really?

suggest all lands planet get tageter ans go find out wot parent mean cause

pluto is not in seattle

thankyou

 

[frankfrank]

Re: Our Society has changed from Patriarchy to a feminised Infantocracy

pluto is not in seattle

thankyou

Are you sure that nobody within the entire city limits of such a large city has a bunch of vintage Disney cartoons in his or her collection?

He appeared in a LOT of the original Mickey Mouse cartoons.

 

[Callum]

We should bring back conscription - it will fix these disciplinary issues.

 

[DigitalFudge]

If refuji disagrees with a a certain facet of science, It's wrong.

 

[mikey3000]

Lol. I'll still look to those who have studied these things all their lives. Just as I would trust medical advances over home remedies.

LOL! Oh man. Science has been so wrong in the past, what makes you think it is infallable now? There is more fraud and collusion in accademia now than ever. Research is always skewed in the favour of the corporation who is paying for it, usually big pharma. Just ask GlaxoSmithKlein. Universities today are just training grounds, devoid of any independant thought. There is a "study" to prove ANY point in history.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

It should be ignored if they're conclusions are invalid according to their operational definition, the OD being what they're actually trying to study. If they're intended to strictly study whipping and came to the conclusion that whipping a child increases the risk of mental disorders, then it should not be ignored. If they intended to study whipping, yet proceeded to generalize that all physical punishments increase the risk of mental disorders, then yes, this study should be ignored.

As the researchers themselves pointed out, it's not a causal link, but an associative one; that is, it's just not a strong enough link to do anything with, but please keep it in mind. In that regard, I'm not dismissing the study out of hand, just not letting it affect my usual opinion on the matter. FWIW, I'm for moderation in punishment, and that it should not be delivered when angry or to the point of bleeding.

I don't know what constitutes abuse in your book, but it never talked about the effects of abuse. But we all have different definitions of that, don't we?

Actually, it was all about the effects of abuse; that's why only a select group of results were used. That's sort of why I'm pretty much just taking it under advisement; I just figured it was a "duh" result.

As for my general definition of abuse, when it leaves a mark (mentally or physically), and when the goal is to simply humiliate rather than merely punishment (that is, the goal is to break a child's will), I'm inclined to go "Abuse!", FWIW....

RG

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
re: I don't know what constitutes abuse in your book.

The word 'abuse' has become SO popular this last decade but everyone has their own definition of what it is.

 

[hungkee]

yes, using sticks, canes, paddles, and belts is barbaric and outdated


I prefer a more 21rst century approach...

and besides, the drooling, memory loss, slurred speech, and loss of bowel control only lasts for a day or two..so were good to go

That will potty train the kids real quick. lol

 

[aanhoudend]

Spanking May Increase Risk of Mental Disorders - Yahoo! News

i call bullshit and either way, i would much rather my child have an anxiety attack everytime he's about to do something that he knows is going to get him an asswhipping where he doesn't do it more so than for me to have to deal with a child that i was soft on that thinks he can put his hands on me or where i have to bail him out of jail. i'm still shocked at that little kid smacking his mom in the face on dr. phil. my mom would beat the breaks out of me if i ever did that which was why i never did anything crazy when i was younger.

Child abuse should be illegal - it is in Europe. You clearly have no idea or understanding of the impact of corporal punishment on the mental health of a child. Your lack of empathy is scary, and I pity your child.