What books should ultimately be saved

[kallipolis]

Yes, he's one of the potential authors.

Let us know when you publish....

 

[mikemizanin729]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=p...2Fparis-hilton-your-heiress-diary.htm;222;280

I want ALL things Paris saved. The book itself contains images too.

She is a sexy goddess.

 

[belamyi]

You've irritated me elsewhere by wanting to destroy "religious" books (there's a decent argument that the word religion describes medieval Catholicism and nothing else). Then I see your beauty on virtually every show random bits of yourself thread.

Then you show knowledge of random esoterica.

You are Helen of Troy masquerading as a boy. I'd lead all of Greece on a quest to bring you to bring you to my bed. I'd watch civilizations collapse, the Republicans take both houses of Congress, and hear my mother loudly telling people that my British accent is fake, I'd do all these things and many more to touch the hem of thy garment.

I'd fall on my sword for you, write poems, loudly sing at you (think operetta, Nelson Eddy, Jeannette MacDonald).

You by now have decided that I'm crazy and you are probably correct. The sight of you spikes my serotonin levels to near insane proportions. Quite accidentally you have become my burning passion a kind of erotic idol (I mean idol in the explicitly religious sense).

*puts briefs, back on, calms down, doesn't say any of the above, because that's an INSANE way to speak to a stranger*

Yes, he's one of the potential authors.

I had already thought of posting this before you wrote that, but you are definitely one funny erotomaniacal philanderer

 

[IamNoah]

I had already thought of posting this before you wrote that, but you are definitely one funny erotomaniacal philanderer

 

[belamyi]

Nothing beats clay tablets or a good old vellum manuscript.

Codex Vaticanus c. 325 AD

And you had to pick up precisely THAT one.

 

[Alnitak]

And you had to pick up precisely THAT one.

Secular texts weren't much worth preserving to most Europeans through the early Middle Ages due to the expansion of Christianity concomitant with declining economies and the disappearance of scientific and philosophical communities.

 

[belamyi]

Secular texts weren't much worth preserving to most Europeans through the early Middle Ages due to the expansion of Christianity concomitant with declining economies and the disappearance of scientific and philosophical communities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergilius_Romanus

http://www.codex99.com/typography/images/manuscript/vergilius_7v_lg.jpg

 

[IamNoah]

Secular texts weren't much worth preserving to most Europeans through the early Middle Ages due to the expansion of Christianity concomitant with declining economies and the disappearance of scientific and philosophical communities.

Things that cohere are not necessarily related in a causal way. The growth of the Christian religion and the decline of the secular learning of the ancients were born from the same crises, but the one did not cause the other. And I'd hardly assert that Philosophy disappeared once the West was baptized. I think we'd all most likely find ourselves more comfortable with St Augustine than Ovid.

 

[belamyi]

And there were no "Europeans" in Late Antiquity.

 

[Alnitak]

Things that cohere are not necessarily related in a causal way. The growth of the Christian religion and the decline of the secular learning of the ancients were born from the same crises, but the one did not cause the other. And I'd hardly assert that Philosophy disappeared once the West was baptized. I think we'd all most likely find ourselves more comfortable with St Augustine than Ovid.

I didn't say one caused the other. I said they were concomitant. However, while you opened debate on the subject, I will point out that early church fathers ordered the closure of major centers of learning including Plato's academy and the Serapeum in Alexandria.

 

[rareboy]

I'm shocked and amazed that someone knows who John Dee was.

Well that isn't too patronizing or insulting.

 

[IamNoah]

Well that isn't too patronizing or insulting.

Anyone who wants to be offended will find ample opportunity in my various postings. Elsewhere I've been celebrating the superiority of European/Western Civilization.

 

[mikemizanin729]

What about books on womens rights...??? Surely they should be kept.

 

[IamNoah]

I didn't say one caused the other. I said they were concomitant. However, while you opened debate on the subject, I will point out that early church fathers ordered the closure of major centers of learning including Plato's academy and the Serapeum in Alexandria.

I'm a bi quarter-Jewish lapsed Catholic. I'm no apologist for Christianity--I just don't think it destroyed the classical world. I think much of the ethos of late antiquity is preserved admirably by the Church most Christians belong to.

 

[belamyi]

I'm a bi quarter-Jewish lapsed Catholic. I'm no apologist for Christianity--I just don't think it destroyed the classical world. I think much of the ethos of late antiquity is preserved admirably by the Church most Christians belong to.

 

[belamyi]

I'm a bi quarter-Jewish lapsed Catholic. I'm no apologist for Christianity--I just don't think it destroyed the classical world. I think much of the ethos of late antiquity is preserved admirably by the Church most Christians belong to.

Right, Christian Antiquity. Precisely. What about Classical, older Antiquity?
You are no apologist, only an apologete.

 

[IamNoah]

Right, Christian Antiquity. Precisely. What about Classical, older Antiquity?
You are no apologist, only an apologete.

I think, unless one's name is Julian the Apostate or Gibbon, one should not assert that Christianity caused the end of the Classical world. People should look into the Crisis of the Third Century, the rise of the Principate, etc. I have a very difficult time seeing how the martyred and harassed little Jewish sect that became Sancta Ecclesia ended the Classical world. But meh.If it did I say good riddance. I'd rather Augustine (homophobia et al) to Ovid.

 

[belamyi]

I think, unless one's name is Julian the Apostate or Gibbon, one should not assert that Christianity caused the end of the Classical world. People should look into the Crisis of the Third Century, the rise of the Principate, etc. I have a very difficult time seeing how the martyred and harassed little Jewish sect that became Sancta Ecclesia ended the Classical world. But meh.If it did I say good riddance. I'd rather Augustine (homophobia et al) to Ovid.

It's very simple to see why: present people with a simple, easy, hazy set of ideas to cling to in their minds, substituting all the complexities and pains of an intricate global civilization i the real, material world. But that had, in fact, few to do with that Jewish god-man: Christianity is too intelectual for the mob to understand, let alone accept, as true Christianity: that is why there are so many different sorts of wacky "real Christians" in America.

You could be proud of yourself, No: you are a perfect example of the man of the future, the man nourished by Late Western civilization ready to cave the eyesockets and torso of that which nurtured him.

 

[Alnitak]

Anyone who wants to be offended will find ample opportunity in my various postings. Elsewhere I've been celebrating the superiority of European/Western Civilization.

Which has only been the most sophisticated for about the last five centuries, compared with five millennia of recorded history when that title was borne by Sumer, Egypt, China, Islamic Caliphates, the Greeks having plumbing while Anglo-Saxons were still shitting in huts, and not to mention two hundred thousand years of human existence.

 

[IamNoah]

It's very simple to see why: present people with a simple, easy, hazy set of ideas to cling to in their minds, substituting all the complexities and pains of an intricate global civilization i the real, material world. But that had, in fact, few to do with that Jewish god-man: Christianity is too intelectual for the mob to understand, let alone accept, as true Christianity: that is why there are so many different sorts of wacky "real Christians" in America.

You could be proud of yourself, No: you are a perfect example of the man of the future, the man nourished by Late Western civilization ready to cave the eyesockets and cavea of that which nurtured him.

I agree except for the bit about me.