On Topic Discussion What do you think about bisexuals?

[Kulindahr]

And I can't think of any of them which would allow a healthy and full sex life with men and never any opportunity whatsoever to ever pursue a woman. Sorry.

Not everyone thinks "a healthy and full sex life" is important in the first place. Besides, you're assuming that there are any women around who are worth the effort.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I don't fantasize about fiction -- and I get no enjoyment from any that talks about things I would never do. If I can't imagine myself in the place of at least one of the characters, it's about as exciting as reading the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. Actually, it's less exciting, because chemistry and physics are at least fun.

The fact that you are strangely self-limiting with the range of you imagination doesn't tell us anything about most other people. Some of the most popular characters from fictional media are villains, because the audience enjoying the story/movie/whatever can vicariously enjoy all kinds of actions they would never perform themselves in real life.

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There's a bi guy here who doesn't date gals, because all the ones from here worth having are either married or have left town to go someplace with a future. And most of the unmarried gals in this town who would be willing to have sex would be trying to use it to manipulate you.

Are we supposed to believe that the small semi-rural community you live in offers no straight women but plenty of gay dudes?

 

[Rolyo85]

There's a bi guy here who doesn't date gals, because all the ones from here worth having are either married or have left town to go someplace with a future. And most of the unmarried gals in this town who would be willing to have sex would be trying to use it to manipulate you.

Wow. Right. Women are either unattainable, or lying manipulative - and let's not forget fugly - sluts, so it's all about the sausage instead. Weird, how straight men somehow manage.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Fantasy can be purely what-if. I have a broad enough imagination to have at least theorized about what a relationship with all of my friends (male and female) would be like. That's not a desire to actually pursue them.

Do you fantasize about sex with people you don't desire? Do you jerk off to those fantasies?

Did you not identify as gay a page back?

Why are you suddenly so fiercely defending your newfound bisexuality?

I do identify as gay. I have my own reasons which I explained in that same post.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I had severe social anxiety that I didn't even begin to combat until I was 22.
I went to an all boys high school. I was more comfortable around guys. Social situations like trying to hit on anyone though gave me symptoms like having a heart attack.

It was much easier to communicate with people online. I have been attracted to both men and women as long as I can remember. Unfortunately finding women online, especially young women, for sex or dating at that point was pointless unless you wanted a tech-savy prostitute.

I've really only been better about in person interactions with strangers for the past 2 years. While id love to have sex with a woman, I'm not into sluts and Im selective. So maybe by this time next week I'll have had sex with a woman. I'm still looking for opportunities.

There are many other people who are straight who have been in my situation. And it my situation exists I'm sure there are countless others.

Narrow-mindedness isn't attractive.

The "difficulties" in pursuing women is not great enough to stop billions of straight men on the planet. I wish people would not insult our intelligence by telling us that it's too difficult just for bisexual people.

 

[Rolyo85]

Not everyone thinks "a healthy and full sex life" is important in the first place. Besides, you're assuming that there are any women around who are worth the effort.

But there are many gay/bi men who are? This stretches the imagination to the point of prolapse...

 

[xbuzzerx]

Do you fantasize about sex with people you don't desire? Do you jerk off to those fantasies?

Yes and yes. Both things have happened, much more than once. I've also wanked to plenty of porn images of acts I probably wouldn't actually do myself in real life, and performers I wouldn't actually pursue. I've also wanked to the occasional bi or straight porn image.

So throw all of that into your "if anyone ever fantasizes about it, it's a cast-iron tie to what they really want" and tell me what your conclusion is.

I do identify as gay. I have my own reasons which I explained in that same post.

Then as I said in my first response to you, you aren't even the subset we are talking about. Though you seem to be devil's advocating their case.

 

[Kulindahr]

I don't evade anything. My claim has been the same since my first post - bisexuality is real, but many guys use it to mask their HOMOsexuality, by claiming some theoretical, sorta-there-but-not-really-acted-upon attraction to the opposite gender. I say those guys are full of shit, and the fact that you avoid giving ANY arguments that defend your position, tells me you know it too. This whole topic has been nothing more than a giant clusterfuck of people being outraged that the idea of bisexuality is being questioned at all, while carefully avoiding ANY specific examples or in ANY way giving personal info. My sexuality is on my sleeve, I talked about it here, gave examples from my personal experience. Yet the other side, WHATEVER it is actually defending (which isn't quite clear) is religious in its vagueness.

And now it's deteriorated to you being "too good" to actually address anything, and are just being a Jack Springer and bashing minor points in other people's posts, without actually making any real arguments. Congratulations, you've created "another bisexual thread"

I've addressed nothing but your core claims, especially the one that says 20 = 0.

Arguments to defend my position? I've made lots -- I just refuse to fall for your attempts at diversion from objective thought.

Personal info is irrelevant, and until you are willing to be objective and stop making stupid assertions that a guy who is attracted to females isn't actually attracted because in your view his attraction is "too small", there's not much point.

I haven't made any claim about being "too good" -- I'm just sticking to the point, avoiding side issues and trying to get the focus on objective reasoning. I've advanced nothing theoretical; I'm trying to get you to stop being theoretical and admit that an attraction is an attraction, and claiming that 20 = 0 does not change that.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Fantasy can be purely what-if. I have a broad enough imagination to have at least theorized about what a relationship with all of my friends (male and female) would be like. That's not a desire to actually pursue them.

The "difficulties" in pursuing women is not great enough to stop billions of straight men on the planet. I wish people would not insult our intelligence by telling us that it's too difficult just for bisexual people.

No one said it's too difficult. And do you know how many straight men have told me that gay guys have it easy? They are jealous of how accessible NSA sex with hot men is.

straight men have no choice. Bi men do.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Fantasy can be purely what-if. I have a broad enough imagination to have at least theorized about what a relationship with all of my friends (male and female) would be like. That's not a desire to actually pursue them.

Yes and yes. Both things have happened, much more than once. I've also wanked to plenty of porn images of acts I probably wouldn't actually do myself in real life, and performers I wouldn't actually pursue. I've also wanked to the occasional bi or straight porn image.

So throw all of that into your "if anyone ever fantasizes about it, it's a cast-iron tie to what they really want" and tell me what your conclusion is.

Then as I said in my first response to you, you aren't even the subset we are talking about. Though you seem to be devil's advocating their case.

"Probably wouldn't actually do"
You're being purposefully obtuse.

So you're saying you and people in general fantasize and become sexually aroused to mental images of sex acts that they, in no way, desire or are attracted to?

 

[xbuzzerx]

Personal info is irrelevant, and until you are willing to be objective and stop making stupid assertions that a guy who is attracted to females isn't actually attracted because in your view his attraction is "too small", there's not much point.

We have no objective basis, though. If we applied the same argument offered here to closeted gay men who identify as straight, we're all pretty awful, narrow-minded people for not recognizing their heterosexuality. The logic is never applied to that scenario, though.

 

[Kulindahr]

The fact that you are strangely self-limiting with the range of you imagination doesn't tell us anything about most other people. Some of the most popular characters from fictional media are villains, because the audience enjoying the story/movie/whatever can vicariously enjoy all kinds of actions they would never perform themselves in real life.

I watch shows with villains, but I have never identified with a villain. I've tried to understand villains, but I just don't get it. I can't grasp why anyone would want to hurt someone else without cause, or engage in vandalism or whatever.

Are we supposed to believe that the small semi-rural community you live in offers no straight women but plenty of gay dudes?

Where did you get that from what I said????

Of course there are straight women, but the only single ones are traps angling to snap shut on you. As for gays, I think the population might be large enough to need a second hand to count on.

 

[xbuzzerx]

No one said it's too difficult. And do you know how many straight men have told me that gay guys have it easy? They are jealous of how accessible NSA sex with hot men is.

straight men have no choice. Bi men do.

If anxiety is a key concern in the choice of what kind of partners to pursue, I have difficulty seeing the "Hurdles" of pursuing women as greater than the social hurdles one faces in family and community by being seen as a gay guy, or a guy in male-male relationships.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

If anxiety is a key concern in the choice of what kind of partners to pursue, I have difficulty seeing the "Hurdles" of pursuing women as greater than the social hurdles one faces in family and community by being seen as a gay guy, or a guy in male-male relationships.

We're talking about sex

 

[xbuzzerx]

"Probably wouldn't actually do"
You're being purposefully obtuse.

So you're saying you and people in general fantasize and become sexually aroused to mental images of sex acts that they, in no way, desire or are attracted to?

Yes. I think few people want to get raped. I think few people want to do octopuses, cartoon characters, or My Little Ponies. I think few people would suddenly get rock hard seeing a human-animal hybrid in real life. I think few men want to get pregnant, I think few men want to get infected with HIV, I think few people want to become professional used underwear thieves. Those things all get fantasized about.

The fact that these things even need to be pointed out is a statement on how obtuse you and Kulindahr are being; not the other way around.

 

[Kulindahr]

Wow. Right. Women are either unattainable, or lying manipulative - and let's not forget fugly - sluts, so it's all about the sausage instead. Weird, how straight men somehow manage.

I have yet to meet a single gal in this town who isn't trash. The ones with any chance at a real future leave just about the moment they graduate from high school. If you're still in high school, there's plenty of opportunity, but the main goal of anyone with any talent who graduates from high school is to get out and live somewhere else. Frak, I wouldn't even be here if my elderly parents hadn't needed someone to take care of them, and that I've become something like addicted to the conservation project I'm working on.

 

[LuckysRevenge]

Yes. I think few people want to get raped. I think few people want to do octopuses, cartoon characters, or My Little Ponies. I think few people would suddenly get rock hard seeing a human-animal hybrid in real life. I think few men want to get pregnant, I think few men want to get infected with HIV, I think few people want to become professional used underwear thieves. Those things all get fantasized about.

The fact that these things even need to be pointed out is a statement on how obtuse you and Kulindahr are being; not the other way around.

I think they want those things. But they don't want to actually do them.

Otherwise why would they fantasize about it if it doesn't turn them on

 

[xbuzzerx]

I watch shows with villains, but I have never identified with a villain.

Going deeply off topic about how you limit the realm of your own fantasies still doesn't impart universally that people do not fantasize about things they would never do. Most do.

 

[Kulindahr]

Do you fantasize about sex with people you don't desire? Do you jerk off to those fantasies?
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LOL

Good point.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I have yet to meet a single gal in this town who isn't trash.

You and Lucky have both made these kinds of comments about how you're picky, the women available and interested are trashy or slutty...

yet the guys you can easily hook up with NSA apps, that level of pickiness just up and disappears.

Curious, that.