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What do you think of this HIV results service?

Would you join a program that verifies your partner's latest HIV test results?

  • yes

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • no

    Votes: 5 45.5%

  • Total voters
    11
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Hello,

I'm new to the JUB forums, although definitely not new to this site in general ;)

I'm the developer of the service being discussed. I saw this post from our server referral logs, and just wanted to clear a few things up. I don't know hello2all and he doesn't work for us (although we have run into each other on the internets before).

I'm based in Minneapolis and San Francisco, and the founder/business guy is in Los Angeles. I'm an epidemiologist-turned-developer, and worked for the largest HIV clinic in Minnesota, as well as serve on a number of public health bodies. I became incredibly frustrated at the direction HIV prevention is going (i.e., nowhere), and that served as my impetus for joining this team.

We confirm HIV, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, HAV vaccination status, and HPV vaccination status. We display how long ago you were tested, and your test results expire after a year. When you were tested is a critical piece of the puzzle that is often missing (obviously, a test yesterday is better than a test 11 months ago). In addition, we confirm the type of test, which also can drastically affect the window period (e.g., an HIV PCR test has a smaller window period than an antibody test).

This works through a HIPAA authorization. When you sign up, you indicate where you were tested, and sign an authorization form. We fax that to the clinic on your behalf, and receive and process their response. At that point, your results are no longer covered by HIPAA, and they can be disseminated however you like.

The HIPAA authorization is a legal document, and falsifying your information is a federal crime. Similarly, a health care professional lying about test results is unethical and potentially illegal. Bad people are going to bad things... but, chances are they were doing bad things before our service existed.

We NEVER talk about being "clean". That implies someone with HIV or an STD is "dirty", and we simply don't believe that. For people living with HIV, we will also confirm their last viral load. HIV-positive people deserve to have sex too, and we're hoping we can break down some of the stigma by allowing people to share their viral load. An undetectable viral load poses much less risk than a very high viral load. So, with better education and information, perhaps our tool can help everyone have more sex more safely.

Everybody has different tools that they use to keep themselves (and their partners) safe. This might include condoms, strategic positioning, serosorting, limiting your number of partners, etc. Each strategy comes with their own sets of risks and benefits (and, certainly, some are MUCH more effective than others). However, if everybody always treated every one of their sex partners as if they had HIV or an STD, then nobody would ever get either. And yet, HIV rates in men who have sex with men aren't going down. Our service isn't foolproof, and it certainly isn't a replacement for other strategies. It is, however, a tool in the toolbox.

If you're on any gay dating/sex site, you've probably noticed that there's a "HIV Status" section. This is self-reported, and most likely inaccurate... I'm sure that we all have an ex that has never been tested for HIV but still claims to be HIV-negative on those sites. People already sort based on HIV-status... it's just horribly unreliable, and a false sense of security. Again, our service is not foolproof, but it's a huge leap forward from the status quo.

We don't make money. I mean, we'd like to make money, but right now everything is free. I don't foresee the service ever costing money for the users, since that just doesn't make sense (why would you pay for a service that's benefiting your sexual partners). There are a couple of business models floating around out there, and they're all based on finding other people to subsidize the HIV/STD confirmation portion of our service.

I'm happy to answer questions, take criticisms, etc. I'm also happy to share my results with you guys, so you can see how it works. I'm more interested in having an informed dialoge about our service than recruiting new members... so, I'll respect the mods and rules, and not be too commercial ;)
 
well .. you were given a second chance and not banned for being a spammer. I don't know what gave you the impression that we would allow you to re-post the url a couple of posts later. As I said .. act like one, be treated like one. Also spammers who want to insult our users, are never allowed back :wave:

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Hello,

I'm new to the JUB forums, although definitely not new to this site in general ;)

I'm the developer of the service being discussed. I saw this post from our server referral logs, and just wanted to clear a few things up. I don't know hello2all and he doesn't work for us (although we have run into each other on the internets before).
You must monitor them very closely .. I mean .. the url wasn't up for a long and just right after he was banned, you happen to join?
 
It was up long enough for 3 people to click through :) I check about once a week, and it just so happened to be this morning. I can't help how it looks, but I trust that if you take a look at your server logs and registration information you'll see that we're different people. When I signed up, he hadn't been banned. That occurred between when I signed up and when I submitted my post.

Regardless, I'm here now :) I'm happy to listen to whatever feedback (positive or negative) you may have, and answer any questions about our service.

NaughtyArousal: That's the end goal. Text messaging is more a novelty than an actual useful feature. Ideally, we integrate directly with services that people already use, and we serve as the third party that actually performs the verification. So, it shows up directly on your Grindr profile, or whatever other service you use. In the meantime, we're set up so you can "claim" your profile on various dating/sex sites, so it's easier for people to find your results. Of course, you can always password protect them, so only the people that you grant access are able to see them.
 
Regardless of how you try and spin it, I simply fail to see how it is of benefit. What I DO see though, is how it can actually encourage people to be more irresponsible and take unecessary risks in the mistaken belief that because your current shag for the night got a clean bill of health a month ago (or longer) you don't have to worry about protection.

The real reason that HIV infection is on the increase again is down to lack of mainstream and targeted education, and (ironically) the combination drug therapy now available.

Being HIV+ has now been transformed from a death sentence to a life-long chronic disease thanks to the 20+ anti-HIV drugs now approved for the treatment of AIDS.

This increasing belief that 'because AIDS is no longer a death sentence I don't have to worry' has been left unchecked due to the lack of a decent education programme. Result = less knowledge = more risks taken = increase in infections.

If I were to use the service and my prospective shag for the night had a clean result from last week, would it cause me to not play safe? No it wouldn't, but to other idiots out there, it would - that's what I can't reconcile, and that's what I find irresponsible about the service.
 
apparently there is now an APP in the APPstore that allows you to check your partner's last hiv test status. it's not from the service discussed above, but a different one.
i'm afraid to mention it here. i might be banned by hitler.
 
apparently there is now an APP in the APPstore that allows you to check your partner's last hiv test status. it's not from the service discussed above, but a different one.
i'm afraid to mention it here. i might be banned by hitler.

interesting video tho
 
They should rig it so that your HIV status goes straight to your Grindr account.

If you test clean for all STDs, you should get a special "Bareback riendly" badge on FourSquare.

Generally speaking, I assume people with clean STD tests aren't going to be bareback friendly, though.
 
Generally speaking, I assume people with clean STD tests aren't going to be bareback friendly, though.

PRECISELY! Not sure why some guys think just because results are negative that someone would be interesting in barebacking. what is that foolishness?
 
well because some people aren't honest about their sexual health, don't care, or just don't know. it gets people in the habit of getting tested and sharing that information before you go banging someone out. do you care if someone you're about to have sex with is HIV positive or has syphilis or gonorrhea? i do!
to me this isnt much different than getting tested a few times a year, keeping your paperwork, and showing your partner(s). that might seem too procedural so why not just do it quick and electronically? of course you should still be wearing condoms!, especially with people you're not in a relationship with!

The trouble with tests is that they don't tell you a thing about the time between the moment the blood was drawn and the present. If I get tested, and my partner gets the results in an email two weeks later, what does that tell him about me except that if I needed to get tested, he can't trust what I did in the two weeks he waited?

I see this as an "I'm a slut so I think I'll rub it in your face" service.
 
I think this 'service' is a terrible idea.

Or a scam. What kind of personal information does it want from clients?

exactly! not to discriminate against people with HIV, but i dont understand why they get the pity party. so many other people are sexually discriminated against for being fat, asian, black, short, white, ugly teeth, yellow teeth, bad hair...etc, etc, etc, etc,...we all have our preferences. some people prefer not to have sex with people with HIV, even if it involves a condom. so i dont feel bad about sifting hiv infected people from the people i choose to be sexually active with. in public, i support everyone....but behind doors i want to see the person im with has been tested and is HIV negative. so yes, its likely a person with hiv wouldnt get test and wouldnt join the site...and then id know they arent for the picking...at least for me.

Um, no one is dying of being asian, black, short, white, etc., and having sex with one of them isn't playing russian sex-roulette.
 
If I've got the right service, there's actually an item about it in a peer-reviewed medical journal published by the Public Library of Science that's worth reading for an informed opinion. One of the conclusions was that further study is needed to assess any impact for reducing disease transmission.
 
i'm afraid to mention it here. i might be banned by hitler.

yep. what a coincidence you just showed up here to post it. and not a single post in between this one and your last one in this very thread.

of course, you'll still insist that you didn't join here just for promotion :roll:

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And it wasn't Hilter that banned you. :twisted:
 
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