What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

[Ninja108]

This vote is going to be a nail biter,no doubt about it. Hopefully others won't wimp out like Carroll did.

 

[rareboy]

^ It's because of those "conservatives," Sausy is the only one that celebrates in good news posts of marriage equality and LGBT civil rights. The others are *always* silent, if not critical of such progress towards equality. Which is why their motives for being a part of this community are suspect.

this.

 

[frankfrank]

^ It's because of those "conservatives," Sausy is the only one that celebrates in good news posts of marriage equality and LGBT civil rights. The others are *always* silent, if not critical of such progress towards equality. Which is why their motives for being a part of this community are suspect.

Allowing marriage among two people who love one another would, I think, be a conservative value.

Faux conservatives scream about the "sanctity of marriage" but it's entirely OK for a former Georgia congresscritter to divorce his bedridden wife in her hospital bed, suffering for cancer, while he goes off and robs the cradle. It's also OK for Britney Spears to be married for a fraction of a week.

Allowing only some to experience the "sanctity of marriage" while arbitrarily disallowing others, is not conservative. No different than the laws a couple generations ago which didn't allow anything but couples from the same "race."

There is no bull's rush, anytime soon, to start allowing polygamy, or marriage to close relatives, or letting me marry my refrigerator (or a cat, if I chose to get one). Of course marriage to relatives has been proven, for a long time, to tend to cause gene-pool issues.

I'm not convinced that polygamy is harmful, except that the genders are more-or-less balanced in this country (something like 48% men, 52% women? - less a small number with gender ambiguity) and, as polygamy is almost always a guy marrying multiple women, the available pool could go out of balance.

There is no rush to allow people to marry inanimate, or non-human, objects.

Though I am a screaming diehard liberal - which includes a number of "universal" viewpoints which SHOULD NOT be considered to be conservative/liberal at all - Sausy knows well that I fully respect his viewpoints, because his views are backed with his own thoughts and decisions, not merely parroted because a blogger, an organization or entity (Tea Party, a union, Fox News or MSNBC, etc.), a politician (even Chris Christie) believes it.

 

[palbert]

This morning in the Hawaii House:

The second reading on the bill is delayed.

The Hawaii House of Representatives gaveled into session a little after 10 a.m. Wednesday for the second reading and vote on an amended version of SB 1, the "Hawaii Marriage Equality Act of 2013", which advanced out of the Judiciary & Finance committees 18-12 Tuesday night.

After an invocation and brief introductions, lawmakers immediately recessed. Vice Speaker John Mizuno indicated Representatives would reconvene at 11 a.m., but nearly an hour has come and gone since then with no indication of when legislators will return to the floor. Republican Minority caucus member, Representative Bob McDermott, who is a staunch opponent of SB 1, says the delay is a result of in-fighting between Democratic Majority caucus members. McDermott says a few Representatives reportedly want a roll-call vote on the floor for a proposal to introduce a Constitutional Amendment to let the people vote on same-sex marriage, but not everyone agrees.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...-sex-marriage-bill-advances-to-floor-for-vote

 

[frankfrank]

Of course, in politics nowadays, there is almost NO such thing as a "universal" value. IF OBAMA LIKES IT, IT IS BAD. (so say Republicans sitting in Washington.) So many Supreme Court decisions are 5-4. Washington votes such as 424-11/96-4, or 8-1/9-0 Supreme Court decisions should be - if not the rule - at least common. But this stuff rarely happens at all.

 

[Ninja108]

It si getting ugly at the capitol building in Hawaii. Gay Marriage supporters are now being rushed and drowned out by "loving" Christians.

 

[Alnitak]

It si getting ugly at the capitol building in Hawaii. Gay Marriage supporters are now being rushed and drowned out by "loving" Christians.

The Civil Unions battle in Vermont thirteen years ago was worse.

This is the last statute that will ever legalize same sex marriage and the fundies may be cognizant if that.

 

[TickTockMan]

Illinois means that 30% of US states now have marriage equality.

But, because those states with marriage equality tend to be populous, I have made a rough calculation that 37% of the American population now has access to gay marriage. (If Hawaii becomes the 16th state soon, it will be 37.6% of the population).

I doubt it matters much population wise, but don’t forget that at least two Indian tribes in Oregon have equal marriage for their people.


I suppose it may not matter much since I doubt the Feds recognize it.

 

[Kulindahr]

I doubt it matters much population wise, but don’t forget that at least two Indian tribes in Oregon have equal marriage for their people.


I suppose it may not matter much since I doubt the Feds recognize it.

They should go radical, and offer a blood ceremony for any gays who want to join so they can get married.

 

[Alnitak]

Hawaii House of Representatives passed its bill on second reading 30-18 after 11 hours of debate on amendments.

They must wait 48 hours until a third reading, presumably Friday, and confirmation by the Senate, before going to Abercrombie.

Good article on the day's events: http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2...other-hurdle-final-house-vote-set-for-friday/

 

[kallipolis]

Despite being pioneers in gay sexual activity reaching back some thousands of years, Greece has fallen well behind on the legalisation of gay partnerships...nevertheless, The European Court has just given our judiciary a kick in the pants with the hope that the Greek Government may take note by introducing parliamentary legislation to legalise partnerships for gay loving couples:

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_07/11/2013_526716

I quote:

Greece wrong to exclude same-sex couples from 'civil unions,' European Court of Human Rights rules

 

[Ninja108]

One final floor vote so expect some antics but I expect the vote tally we saw for the second reading will be the final tally. A majority no vote yesterday and the bill would have been dead.
Number 16 is on its way folks.

 

[Ninja108]

http://hawaii.news.blogs.civilbeat....rep-jordan-first-gay-lawmaker-to-vote-against
Guy pretty much explains it all. It all boiled down to politics.

 

[chrisrobin]

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Governor Quinn will sign the Marriage Equality Bill in Chicago* on November 20. Congratulations to Illinois!



To the other 35 states: persistence works!

*University of Illinois

 

[Alnitak]

Scotland is on track to approve equal marriage

Legislation to introduce equal marriage in Scotland has been backed by a committee looking into the proposals

The Equal Opportunities Committee has forwarded the bill to Parliament, where the first stage will begin during the week of November 18. The final stage should wrap up by February, leading to royal assent soon after.

 

[AstareGod]

Heard news today that four couples in Idaho are suing the state in federal court for the current laws on the books against marriage equality.

Is this how it's going to have to be to get all the red states on board?

 

[JayHawk]

I suspect that is how it will be. I am in a red state and the majority are unshakable in their ignorance.

 

[Kulindahr]

Heard news today that four couples in Idaho are suing the state in federal court for the current laws on the books against marriage equality.

Is this how it's going to have to be to get all the red states on board?

It's how the laws against mixed-"race" marriage were downed.

 

[Alnitak]

Heard news today that four couples in Idaho are suing the state in federal court for the current laws on the books against marriage equality.

Is this how it's going to have to be to get all the red states on board?

Yeah the 9th circuit is already briefing Sevcik, so the Idaho case might not even reach trial.

 

[Alnitak]

Alright folks, Hawaii's in the bag. The House just voted 30-19 on passage, and confirmation in the Senate will be a formality.

This was the final statute in the marriage equality agenda. It was a circus to watch, with some of the worst testimony I've ever heard in years of following this debate, including from a member of our own community.