What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

[White Eagle]

I found this link in an email this AM.

http://www.nclrights.org/cases-and-policy/cases-and-advocacy/latta-v-otter/

Case Summary & History
Family & Relationships
Latta v. Otter
STATUS: Pending, Idaho

Four same-sex couples have filed a federal lawsuit in Boise challenging Idaho’s laws prohibiting same-sex couples from marrying and refusing to respect the legal marriages of same-sex couples who married in other states.

The lawsuit argues that Idaho’s laws barring same-sex couples from marrying and prohibiting the state from respecting the marriages of same-sex couples who married in other states violates the United States Constitution’s guarantees of equal protection and due process.

 

[Ninja108]

You knew marriage equality was going to pass by all the stalling tactics the anti-equality side did. You don't do that unless you are trying to kill the bill.
Welcome to sweet 16 Hawaii,you've earned it!

 

[White Eagle]

I just found out that through the First Nation Ministry I can get ordained to become an official minister. I will be able to perform marriage ceremonies. Looks like I have a way to make Texas a Gay Marriage friendly state./satire off

http://www.firstnationministry.org/

Three Easy Steps To Ordination...

We work with you to become a trained and licensed Officiant for all ceremonial rites, with legal ordination through First Nation Ministry and comprehensive certification through the American Council of Wedding Officiants (ACWO). The process generally takes only a few days, is simple, requires minimal study* and is valid and legal everywhere in the world!

Under the bylaws of First Nation Ministry, any person can serve as a ceremonial minister (or Officiant) for weddings, funerals, commitment ceremonies, handfasting, house blessings, naming ceremonies and other rites with approval of the church's board. Click here to begin the ordination process ... it only takes a few minutes!

 

[Alnitak]

I just found out that through the First Nation Ministry I can get ordained to become an official minister. I will be able to perform marriage ceremonies. Looks like I have a way to make Texas a Gay Marriage friendly state./satire off

No joke, that's already taken place in Oklahoma. If that interests you why don't you go for it?

 

[palbert]

I just found out that through the First Nation Ministry I can get ordained to become an official minister. I will be able to perform marriage ceremonies. Looks like I have a way to make Texas a Gay Marriage friendly state./satire off

http://www.firstnationministry.org/

Go for it W/E!

 

[White Eagle]

No joke, that's already taken place in Oklahoma. If that interests you why don't you go for it?

Wow! I have a funny feeling about this. But you and Palbert are for it. Thinking, Thinking, Thinking. Will let you know.
Oh, I don't know any gays here in CC let some that want to get married.

 

[Alnitak]

The Hawaii Senate will approve the House amendments when it reconvenes sometime after 2 pm (EST) on Tuesday, Nov 12. After that, the bill gets sent to Gov. Abercrombie. Of course, that places Hawaii again in competition with Illinois, whose bill has a signing on November 20.

 

[Rolyo85]

The Hawaii Senate will approve the House amendments when it reconvenes sometime after 2 pm (EST) on Tuesday, Nov 12. After that, the bill gets sent to Gov. Abercrombie. Of course, that places Hawaii again in competition with Illinois, whose bill has a signing on November 20.

I'd say we are still #15, since the signing is a done deal and there is already a date set for the start of marriages.

(Anyone who tries to pry our number from us, will suffer horribly ^_^)

 

[Ninja108]

Illinois is number 15,Hawaii will be 16. NM is likely to be 17th and sadly,until Oregon (most likely) repeals its amendment to become the 18th,that will most likely be where the count is until the courts step in.

 

[scream4ever]

Illinois is number 15,Hawaii will be 16. NM is likely to be 17th and sadly,until Oregon (most likely) repeals its amendment to become the 18th,that will most likely be where the count is until the courts step in.

If the Virginia Attorney General race indeed heads in the direction it looks to be then they are likely to be state number 18. Also, Colorado and possibly Ohio are strong contenders for amendment repeals/legalization for 2014.

 

[Ninja108]

If the Virginia Attorney General race indeed heads in the direction it looks to be then they are likely to be state number 18. Also, Colorado and possibly Ohio are strong contenders for amendment repeals/legalization for 2014.

Time will tell. The courts are the only way Virginia will allow gay marriage and that will take time.

 

[chrisrobin]

Time will tell. The courts are the only way Virginia will allow gay marriage and that will take time.

That it will, but we must remember this: The women's movement started in Seneca Falls, N.Y. in 1845. By 1924, women were allowed to vote in a presidential election. Regarding equality, we're way ahead of the game as it stands right now.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." — Mahatma Gandhi

 

[scream4ever]

Time will tell. The courts are the only way Virginia will allow gay marriage and that will take time.

The district court the case is pending in is the fastest one in the country. The average time frame from case filing to decision handed down is only 1 year (it's not nicknamed The Rocket Docket for nothing). If no statewide officials step in to defend it (and the family groups can't anymore due to the Supreme Court rejecting Perry due to lack of standing), then there is a strong chance marriage equality will be a reality in Virginia by next fall.

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That it will, but we must remember this: The women's movement started in Seneca Falls, N.Y. in 1845. By 1924, women were allowed to vote in a presidential election. Regarding equality, we're way ahead of the game as it stands right now.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." — Mahatma Gandhi

Don't you mean 1920?

 

[Alnitak]

Illinois is number 15,Hawaii will be 16. NM is likely to be 17th and sadly,until Oregon (most likely) repeals its amendment to become the 18th,that will most likely be where the count is until the courts step in.

Nevada is half way there already, and Colorado, Michigan, Arizona, and Ohio can go to the ballot at any time. In fact I anticipate it all of them.

 

[Alnitak]

There is no bull's rush, anytime soon, to start allowing polygamy, or marriage to close relatives, or letting me marry my refrigerator (or a cat, if I chose to get one). Of course marriage to relatives has been proven, for a long time, to tend to cause gene-pool issues.

I'm not convinced that polygamy is harmful, except that the genders are more-or-less balanced in this country (something like 48% men, 52% women? - less a small number with gender ambiguity) and, as polygamy is almost always a guy marrying multiple women, the available pool could go out of balance.

Polyamory is already here and accepted by much of the LGBT community, if not the straight world just yet.

Polygamy as a legal construct has consequences for class warfare in relation to availability of spouses.

It's already a problem in China where a permanent underclass of men cannot attract available spouses, up to 15% of men in fact. The reason: available women are all taken by wealthier men. Chinese culture today does not widely practice polygamy, but it does practice selective abortions favoring male babies. What if Chinese men who could afford to support more than one wife started doing so in large numbers? The unmarriagable class would only widen.

 

[chrisrobin]

The district court the case is pending in is the fastest one in the country. The average time frame from case filing to decision handed down is only 1 year (it's not nicknamed The Rocket Docket for nothing). If no statewide officials step in to defend it (and the family groups can't anymore due to the Supreme Court rejecting Perry due to lack of standing), then there is a strong chance marriage equality will be a reality in Virginia by next fall.

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Don't you mean 1920?

I do, thanks. Women really had a long, tough road - 75 years. National marriage equality should happen much sooner. We can only hope.

 

[Alnitak]

I do, thanks. Women really had a long, tough road - 75 years. National marriage equality should happen much sooner. We can only hope.

Nobody seems to agree when the movement for same sex marriage started, but there are several candidates:

• May 18, 1970 Jack Baker and Mike McConnell filed for a marriage license and then fought for it in Minnesota court.
• August 28, 1989 Andrew Sulllivan published "Here Comes the Groom: A (Conservative) Case for Gay Marriage."
• May 1, 1990 same sex couples in Hawaii filed suit for marriage under Baehr v. Mike. Trial court find for the couples in 1996.

Most everyone agrees that by the mid-90s, same sex marriage was a major issue. In 1996, the public got wind that same sex marriage would be legalized imminently without prophylactic legislation. In that year Congress and several states passed defense of marriage acts, and the rest is history until today.

The roots go back to 1970, but by and large, the movement is only about twenty years old.

 

[frankfrank]

The district court the case is pending in is the fastest one in the country. The average time frame from case filing to decision handed down is only 1 year (it's not nicknamed The Rocket Docket for nothing).

Is this the Court in which the Republicans are blocking ALL THREE of the Obama nominations to fill the vacancies? They claim that he is "packing the Court" when he is merely doing his Constitutional duties to fill vacancies on this Court, and bring the number of judges back to the PRESCRIBED number for that Court.

Now, FDR *did* try to pack the Supreme Court in the 1930's, by naming Justices which would bring the total number of Justices ABOVE NINE - now, THAT is what "packing the court" means.

Whether it's THIS Court that Obama is merely trying to do his duty to restore the prescribed roster for, or not, how long did it take for THREE vacancies to accumulate? This has to be a process of YEARS, perhaps from as far back as Sen. McConnell's stated purpose was "to make Obama a one-term President."

If it is this Court with the vacancies, any decision in it may not be as certain to be favorable to us, because I assume there are old Republican appointments in it as well, and the Republicans will do anything they can to make sure they don't lose that.

 

[Alnitak]

Is this the Court in which the Republicans are blocking ALL THREE of the Obama nominations to fill the vacancies? They claim that he is "packing the Court" when he is merely doing his Constitutional duties to fill vacancies on this Court, and bring the number of judges back to the PRESCRIBED number for that Court.

That is the DC Court of Appeals. No marriage cases will ever go there.

Bostic v. McDonnell is in the District Court Eastern District of Virginia, which falls under the heavily Democratic 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

If it is this Court with the vacancies, any decision in it may not be as certain to be favorable to us, because I assume there are old Republican appointments in it as well, and the Republicans will do anything they can to make sure they don't lose that.

They stopped permitting appointments when the court was split 50-50.

 

[palbert]

The Hawaii Senate passed the Bill, as amended in the House, 19-4.

Signing details are unconfirmed.

The law will be effective December 2.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/11/12/us/ap-us-gay-marriage-hawaii.html?hp