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What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

Kulindahr said:
That's what I expect. It will make far more sense to bundle several cases. I really don't expect SCOTUS to tackle this before 2016, unless it's another case it can rule on in a very narrow fashion.
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Yah it'll be interesting to see how they handle Sevik v Sandoval. With Pennsylvania I expect the state supreme court to resolve it before the federal courts do as there are only two steps in the court system there (commonwealth court and supreme court), plus the county clerk case is already in the appeals process.

Tomorrow we will find out if the NJ Supreme Court issues a stay of the ruling. Big plans are already being made for Monday so something's telling me speculation is that a stay will not be issued.
 
Kulindahr said:
That's what I expect. It will make far more sense to bundle several cases. I really don't expect SCOTUS to tackle this before 2016, unless it's another case it can rule on in a very narrow fashion.
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The ideal would be after the 2016 election, when several middle ground states will repeal their amendments. That would signal to Ginsburg that the time is right and the issue is more or less over in most of the country.

However, several cases are now racing towards the Supreme Court that will there before the October 2016 term. Scream mentioned the Nevada case, which could get to the Supreme Court next year. There is also Bostic v. McDonnell in Virginia, which will be wrapped up quickly in the fastest federal trial court in the nation. It actually has a nickname - the "rocket docket."

Legal variables can have a large range of possibilities. As you mentioned, we could just get more narrow rulings, or the Supreme Court could just hold them. That leaves us time to get the ground ready for a final victory in June 2017.
 
I had this discussion yesterday with a coworker talking about gay marriage by state. I would honestly think that a state with gay marriage would not vote for a Republican President [barring a "Dukakis Democrat"]. So if you look at the states that already allow gay marriage...

http://www.270towin.com/2016_election_predictions.php?mapid=bDSt]Gay Marriage Electoral Votes[/url]

That's already 175 Electoral votes locked up for the Democrats. That number will only get bigger when states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Oregon and Hawaii allow gay marriage in the very near future. The more the GOP tries to stop gay marriage, the worse off they'll be.
 
Great news for my home state of New Jersey!:D
 
Oh, so I wonder if now one of his kids came out as gay, Chris Christie would "hug them tight and tell them he loves them but that daddy believes marriage to be between one man and one woman", but then add awkwardly "but the courts overruled me, so you can get married"?

Fucking Hutt...
 
New Mexico may happen next week. The state Supreme Court is supposed to hear arguments for it next Wednesday and could issue a ruling immediately.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Oh, so I wonder if now one of his kids came out as gay, Chris Christie would "hug them tight and tell them he loves them but that daddy believes marriage to be between one man and one woman", but then add awkwardly "but the courts overruled me, so you can get married"...

Fucking Hutt...
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Reagan was the first governor to legalize abortion and no-fault divorce, but in today's GOP it is impossible to have a liberal past on social issues.

maxpowr9 said:
New Mexico may happen next week. The state Supreme Court is supposed to hear arguments for it next Wednesday and could issue a ruling immediately.
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Possible, but ruling from the bench on a weighty issue is very rare. A high court has never done it on a gay rights case as far as I know.
 
Alnitak said:
The ideal would be after the 2016 election, when several middle ground states will repeal their amendments. That would signal to Ginsburg that the time is right and the issue is more or less over in most of the country.

However, several cases are now racing towards the Supreme Court that will there before the October 2016 term. Scream mentioned the Nevada case, which could get to the Supreme Court next year. There is also Bostic v. McDonnell in Virginia, which will be wrapped up quickly in the fastest federal trial court in the nation. It actually has a nickname - the "rocket docket."

Legal variables can have a large range of possibilities. As you mentioned, we could just get more narrow rulings, or the Supreme Court could just hold them. That leaves us time to get the ground ready for a final victory in June 2017.
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The Court can always let cases simmer until they're ready to deal with them, and I expect them to do so in order to hear several related cases at once. In some ways, a ruling pertaining to multiple cases at once is stronger, and if they have any wisdom at all among them, they'll go that route.
 
Because of a previous state lawsuit,the NJ Supreme Court ordered that gay and lesbian couples be provided marriage or something equal that would provide all the protections of marriage,thus the civil unions.
But even before the DOMA ruling,it had become clear seperate and equal wasn't,Section 3 of DOMA simply drove it home.
Bottom line,NJ is going to be the 14th state to have marriage equality,something long overdue.
 
Michigan is having the case go to trial.

Which is actually fine, because the LGBT couple will win.


That trial begins in February 2014. That may seem a long way; but it's not.


Mich. Atty. Gen. Bill Schuette, a Republican, is doing his usual politics about there to be no marriage licenses granted during the interim. That was from a spokesperson. But I wouldn't bet either way on cooperation.

Michigan has a gubernatorial election next year. We'll find out how smart Republican politicians are at pretending they're so opposed. (Behind the scenes: they don't actually care; they care about their electoral power.)


As a lifelong resident of Mich., I can say that I want this state to jump ahead of many in the chronological order of states recognizing marriage equality. That isn't truly what's important. What is necessary is that all states plus District of Columbia enforce everyone's Bill of Rights and that the LGBT community will have their same-sex marriages legally recognized throughout this nation. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision, from this past June, is instrumental in getting this to happen.
 
Judge sets February trial for challenge to Michigan's gay marriage ban

By Tresa Baldas and Jim Schaefer
Oct. 16, 2013 | http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013310160031

Michigan’s ban on same-sex marriage will remain in place for now after a federal judge opted not to rule on the issue today and instead hold a trial in February — a decision that dashed the hopes of dozens of couples waiting at local clerks’ offices with plans to wed that day if the ban was lifted.

“I wish I could sit here today and give you a definitive ruling,” U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman said in a courtroom packed with nearly 100 gay rights supporters. “There are issues that have to be decided. ... I am in the middle. I have to decide this as a matter of law.”

It’s a decision weighing heavily on Friedman.

“I’m a little nervous,” Friedman admitted in court. “I’ve never had a case like this before.”
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I think Hawaii will be the next state to legalize gay marriage. Yes the Mormons are fighting too and nail there but I stand by my feelings that unlike NY and IL,this is a special session and they wouldn't have called it if they didn't have the votes.
As for NJ, a veto override is fine but unlike other places,I'm not worried about the NJ Supreme Court reversing itself.
The 2006 case has made that impossible.
 
Thanks for the link, Matt. I'm watching live, now. This is a very beautiful thing to witness live. Congrats to all the newlyweds in NJ tonight!!!
 
Got home late from work but looking online as well and am very happy with my home state of New Jersey. An override by the state legislature of the unfortunate veto by Governor Christie will be icing on the wedding cake.
 
I love this thread. JockBoy87's original was much more involved with his input but I love to read the opinions and updates I may have missed from different parts of the country. Thanks to everyone who posts and keep the info flowing.

The singular case in Ohio where a partner is fighting for his right to be buried with his husband is another situation that gives me hope for Ohio and change in my home state.

Still the legal acceptance of gay marriage will have to come via courts. Here in Kansas and Missouri, plus a good deal of the southern states would never accept anything like that on their own.
 
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