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What Is The Use?

scooter63

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What is the use any more? What is the reason for going on? What is the reason for living? What value is there in my continuing to live?

This world will be a lot better off without my sorry, good for nothing, worthless body in it any longer. I have such a pathetic, absolutely pathetic, life and I am sick of it, sick of the torment, sick of the shit, sick of being sick, sick of facing each day, sick of the loneliness, sick of the rejection, sick of the game. There comes a point when you just have to face the facts of the game and realize that it is over and to bow out gracefully.

I am also sick of people telling me that it will get better, of people telling me that brighter days are ahead, and I am sick of people faking their interest in me. What do they know about me? My life? What I feel inside of me? The way I feel about things? What it is that I am missing in my life? I am sick of living a life for 45 years that has been nothing but one heartache and heartbreak after another and then to wonder why? What is the reason? What is the purpose? Then to ask myself why I do I even care? Then to have done it all alone without anyone there to share my sorrow, my misery, my joys, my happiness, and to share just me.

I have put a few postings on here, not many really, and I felt like shit afterwards. One person did show some concern and set up a conversation on MSN Messenger and then that soon ended. I look for like minded people in chat rooms such as Gay.com, Yahoo chat and no one ever returns a hello after I say hi to them. I am ignored all the time. The few people who did return a hello have never said another word. They didn’t even see a picture of me, even get a description of me, didn’t even give me the time of day and off they went. I have profiles out on the web at various online dating sites, and yes I do realize that most of them are probably only there for a hookup or quickie, but I can’t even get a response from them, at least that is serious. I am so sick of the gamers, the players, and the people who just play mind games with people. Don’t they realize what they are doing to other people? To their minds? To their value? To their self-worth? To their self-esteem? Do you people here on JUB even realize what your smart ass comments do to others in the same above mentioned categories? Get a life! Get a job! Get out and meet people! Get involved with other gay people! Get involved in gay organizations! Get out where other gay people associate at! Yeah right. Like we all live in the “gay” world where everything is just there waiting for us, just around the corner, look in the phone book under gay, where there is a large gay community that hosts all kind of things, or that we are all rich and independently wealthy and can afford to travel to these places of Shangri La and spend money on motel and hotel rooms, meals, and such. Does that mean we take time off of work to do that? What happens if we don’t have the time or the money to do it? Just how the hell do you propose that the rest of us do that? And what about those of us that live in the rural areas of this country that don’t have anything going on other than senior bingo afternoon at the local VFW or American Legion Hall? Where do you propose we go to meet people at that don’t use walkers, wheel chairs, and hearing devices?

I don’t even know why I have lasted this long. I was ready to go 10 years ago and it was only the thought of my mother that prevented me from carrying out my plan. A plan that would put me in a spot that I would be happy at, at peace, at comfort, and without anymore pain of rejection. A warm summer day, the middle of a nice swamp, a tree, a rope, the flies, the tall grass, the chance to just disappear. In a couple years there will be no trace left that I even existed on this planet. The grass would make sure of that. Always pulling down what is on top and burying it underneath the new layer, over time I will become a fossil for someone to find a million years from now. And who will even care? I have no one left that would. If my only living brother and sister cared don’t you think that they would at least call me once in awhile? Stop by the house to see me? After all they live less than five miles away and don’t even bother. Oh, I can make the effort to go to them but the selfish, self-centered bastards only care about themselves and getting their hands on the money. Well, I am making sure that they don’t get their hands on my money after I am gone as I am changing my Testament now as well and it is going to go support some other worthless cause, the George W. Bush Presidential Library Fund. Be damned if I am going to give them anything. Not even my nieces and nephews can make an effort to visit me or call. NO, but I certainly can go to them whenever they beckon for a birthday gift or what not. NOBODY stops by the house or calls and when I see people around town or at church they will ask how I am doing and when I say not the best right now they say OH and then walk away. What the fuck is that about and why did you even ask if you didn’t give a shit. What two faced bastards they are. What did they feel like they had to say something to me just to make them selves feel good inside? I know that I am a pariah in this community and that many people, if not most, look down upon me for the decisions that I have made and the voice that I gave to what I saw as wrong doing and corruption in people who held positions of trust and who have embezzled money from a community organization. What was I supposed to do just be quiet like all the rest of them when I was placed in charge of the organization to bring order to it? And then when I took it from $45,000 in the red to showing a balance of $17,000 in three years, I didn’t even get a word of thanks or anything. Instead, two days after my mother passed away while I was planning a funeral and getting things lined up I was expected to be at the town festival working my ass off for them and then they didn’t even make it to the funeral home or to the church for the Mass. And I should care about them?

Those of you who read my other posts know of the situation with my mom as well as other members of my family that have gone. Taking care of my mom was what kept me going, what got me up each day. What gave me purpose in life and made myself feel like I had a purpose. Now there is no one, nothing, just emptiness. Each day I awake to the same thing, the same feelings, the same empty house, the same empty day, the same empty feelings, the same rejections I get from others. When I contact someone after they don’t respond for a couple days, I send them a note and just let them know that their silence tells the story and not to feel bad about the rejection as I am use to it. My whole life is just empty. My friends, if you can call them that, have all abandoned me what few I was able to have. They didn’t understand or couldn’t accept the time constraints that I worked under before and that priorities came before them. Now, the only people who are around and talk to me is all older people, 70+ in age and I have no interest in them, nothing in common with them, and no shared interests. The straight people that I knew from around all are married, have families, have kids involved in things and are busy with that aspect of their lives and don’t open up and involve a single, middle aged, balding, fat guy.

The people at the schools that I work at will talk to me while I am at school but if they see me outside of school, they don’t have anything to say or to even recognize that I am there. Some talk about how I am just the best sub that they have had and all and never once ask how I am doing and they know exactly what I went through the past couple years. Some even at times asked me specifically how to do certain things regarding Medicare funding, testing, and how to get a certain test performed. After all I was the expert I guess. Now, they don’t care but I make sure that I ask how they are doing and how they holding up under conditions. Always the caring one but never the cared for one.

I did make contact with some people that I use to work with years ago and three people showed up for a lunch/brunch get together. Again, I had to travel to them and after the first smile and hug and when one of them asked me how I was doing after going through everything this past year especially and when I said that I am not doing to well with it all and trying to handle everything, their response was oh, and then promptly moved on to them and their troubles and problems and issues that they are having. I haven’t seen these people probably for like 4 years or so and it was their suggestion that we get together some time via a Christmas card. They seemed to have no care or concern regarding me and only on themselves. So are these friends? Are these the people that we turn to when we are having problems and need help? Why? What good would it be or do?

I also have made contact with one person that I met off of Craigslist who is new to the area and really only temporary here. He lives out of town and is here only visiting and staying with family. We communicate basically via text messages as he hates to write by email and we have spoken on the phone a couple times but it seems like he does best with texting. We met in person when I said that I was going to make a trip to a gay bar and if he wanted to go along. He said sure and we went together. We stopped and had a little supper and talked on the drive. He turned out to be the hit of the night at the bar and I was well ………. the leftovers. Afterwards he came back to my house as it was closer seeing how it was so late or should I say early in the morning when I got back and I was tired after being up 24 hours. He helped me with a computer problem and then I took him back home. The next weekend we were going to just hang out for the night and go to a bar near his house and just do whatever. That didn’t happen as he called and wanted a ride to Minneapolis to meet up with some friends of his who flew into town. We walked into the hotel and that was the last that I saw of him or heard from him until he texted me and then called me the next morning when he was in trouble. I had already left town and came back home after sitting for an hour and a half with the hotel security wondering why I was just sitting in the lobby. He was in trouble and then wanted me to drive back to get him which I said I would and he said he was going to a friends house and would call me when he got there. I got a text from him and then never heard another word until that night when he said that he just woke up and that he didn’t want me to see him like he was. He asked to pick him the next day whenever I was free and haven’t heard a word from him, he won’t answer text messages or respond to voice mail or even to email. He was just a friend I thought but maybe just another game player, user, and get what I can while I can type person. Sing the sad song and wiggle the ass and everyone will come running. And me being me I drop whatever to help and get suckered in to another problem.

I was looking through pictures to sort through them and to give away ones and to throw away others and to make copies of still others for the ungrateful ones and I don’t know what happened to that nice looking boy that turned into me. I was looking through pictures of me in middle school, high school, college, and beyond and boy, how could anyone love that? No wonder no one was friendly in school. No wonder people picked on you, called you names, castigated you, shunted you aside, and didn’t want anything to do with you. But what they didn’t know was what was going on inside the home. What was happening with the alcoholic abusive father, the divorce, the turmoil, the lack of money, the lack of everyday things, the medical problems with my brother, the expenses, the having to do without so we could live. The trying to find a father figure person and trying to find anyone who would accept you. Why would a person feel good now when you never have? Why should anything be different now? It is the same person, the same shape, the same size, the same funny face, the same stupid person. Why aren’t you laughing now? Why aren’t you ridiculing me now? Why aren’t you telling me to get a life? Why aren’t you telling me brighter days are ahead? Why aren’t you saying anything? Why is anyone supposed to suddenly feel good about themselves when all their life they have been subjected to the most cruel, most humiliating, most vindictive, and most hatred words spoken and then when one person does say “I like you” a person has such a built up wall around them for protection that your first response is to immediately relate it to the past and how everyone picked on you. And yeah I realize and know that a lot of people got picked on in school. That is part of growing up and part of school and that I should just grow up and get over it. Easy to say isn’t it? Have you ever tried to do it? Have any of you ever truly followed your own advice? Have any of you actually had to go through the pain, the torment, the humiliation, and the feelings inside that keep telling you that you are worthless? The wall is pretty big and pretty solid and you just don’t take a hammer and knock it over.

Taking care of mom and dad, yeah even after all he did and after the divorce I still went to see him and tried to help him and take care of him, it was me that did it. The others didn’t. What the hell, the gay boy can do it he doesn’t have anyone in his life, he doesn’t have the commitments like we do. He’s got the time on his hands. No one lifted a finger to help, to offer to help, to even offer to give me a break for a weekend so that I could go do something myself. When my dad died in February my sister had to camp in the friggin hospital room so that we could put a show on for everyone. Waited two hours to call to say that he was gone and then didn’t know what to do with him or what plans were made. I paid for the funeral out of my own money in 2005 and helped him set up a trust. My sister didn’t even know where he lived but wanted to go so she could dig through his stuff and had to read everything. Found the pictures and absconded with them and no one has seen them since. Don’t even offer to make copies for others. Not like what I am doing with my mom’s stuff. I am making the copies and burning them to a DVD for them. I did have the attorney file a claim against his few assets though for the $20,000 dollars that I gave him for expenses and got a whopping $4000 back.

I am thankful I was here for my mom and that I was able to make her life better for the last couple years and to be here for her when she lost two children. No one else even came or visited with her or even called. When she was in the hospital the last time, my sister came one afternoon while she was still groggy from the surgery and the next time was after I called to let her know that mom was going. By then it was too late to talk to her. My brother never came once during the 18 days she was in the hospital. Not once. Didn’t even call. I was there every day with her from early morning till late at night.

At her funeral, I was shocked at how few people from a town and community and county that she lived in for 50 years of her life actually came to her funeral either at the funeral home or at the church and how few people actually bothered to send a card or to call. All of these people, the assholes, who feigned interest, sincerity, love for her while she was sick and wanted to know every last bloody detail of her life never bothered to lift a finger after she was gone. Many of them now don’t even talk to me if they meet me on the street, at the post office, gas station or what ever. What great friends they were. And I am supposed to respect them? They are supposed to care about me? Fuck them. Fuck this town. Fuck everyone. Just fuck off people. Just leave me the hell alone then and let me suffer and die in peace.

The holidays were a bad time for me and I spent 40 days in the dark and not giving a rat’s ass if anything happened or went on around me. For the first time in my life I had to spend Christmas Eve and Christmas Day by myself, with no family around on those days, nothing to do, no place to go, nothing opened to go to, and no one to share a happy time with. Then I had to decorate the house, the same house that my mother was in, for Christmas as I had to have the family Christmas party which was held the weekend after so that my niece coming back from Denmark could be here. I had to re-live all of the Christmas’ past and all of the things that we did in the house and then they all leave without saying a word. Not caring if I was alright with all the memories, the emotions, the troubles. I didn’t start feeling like doing anything until the end of January and then that was short lived and now I am deeper into the darkness than ever before. I don’t care if I eat, I don’t care if the house is cleaned up, and I don’t care if the sun rises. I have a few projects for mom to get finished up and then …………………………………….

I have had prayed to Jesus to come get me. To take me home and to end this suffering. I have prayed to have or to get a terminal illness that will end it quickly by me refusing medical treatment. I have even thought about the rope again but we don’t have a warm sunny time in the swamp grass but there is the semi-trucks doing 70 down the roads, which is quicker, less than 3 seconds and its over.

Those of you who read my posts know about my past and the way in which I was living now. I just did my taxes and I don’t know how I am going to make it. Three quarters of my income, what little there is, goes to pay for health insurance. If I include interest income, I will have available for living expenses, water, heat, electric, food, insurance on the car, and gas about 3000 dollars. My heat expense is $300 a month alone, car insurance is $900 and who knows what gas is going to be. Yeah tell me to go out and find a job. I have looked, I have looked for part time, and I have looked for something in the evenings and on weekends that I can do with my other job, I have even hired a job recruiter. There is nothing around here. By the time I get done, I won’t have to worry about giving money away in my will as there won’t be any left to give away. I don’t even have money to go out to eat once a week. And the health insurance covers 3 sessions with a mental health provider. Then it is private pay. Already checked into that. What good is that? I don’t have the money to put food out for me little alone paying for that. There are no frills left for me. I don’t go out because I don’t have the money, I don’t belong to any internet sites that I have to pay for, I don’t buy name brand food items and shop at Wal-Mart and buy their brand. I don’t buy meat as it is too expensive. Crackers and water make a nice meal.

And then there is the postings that I made regarding Sean. Yeah Sean. And the ridicule that I got in responses about hearing voices and seeing things. Well, explain to me then what it really was? The night my mom passed away I knew I was being sent out of the room for some thing. Two nights before I had the white light come back to me but this time it was behind a wall and I couldn’t see around it. Mom’s room was being prepared for her. After my dad passed away, a man who had no believes at all, had no ideas about anything, on two different occasions there was one lone white feather falling from the ceiling in front of me, one at home one at school, and just falling slowly. Not moving in the air that was circulating, not moving in any other manner but just straight down. And yes, I still believe in them, in what I saw, what I heard, what I was told. And Sean has still not been a part of my life and I do know that he is now once again back at his home, no job, no work, no love interest, looking hard to find it. And he rejected me just like all the rest and without a word. Do I hate him? NO. In fact I still care about him very much. I just don’t understand why, is all? I called him at Christmas time and left a voice mail message wishing him a Merry Christmas. I called on New Years Eve and he picked up the phone and I spoke with him personally and wished him a Happy New Year and he did the same to me. He asked what I was doing on New Years and he told me that he was at a party so I said that I would let him go so that he could be with his friends and he said that he would call to get caught up with me. He has never called back. I have called him on the main holidays, Valentines, St. Patrick’s Day (he is Irish) and left him voice mail messages wishing him the best. This last time I told him to call me during the day while I am work and leave me a message if he wants me to stop calling him and wishing him the best. No call.

I just got done reading The Shack and loved it so much. I can’t wait to go and visit with God and Jesus and to be with them when this is all over with. There will be a shack for me as well and I will be able to be with everyone at a place where there is only love, only comfort, only joy, only good times, and only peace. My pains and torments will be done, gone, no more and I will finally be at peace.

I have written this over several weeks and have left it. Thinking it is therapy to write. Well, its not. The guy that I met from out of town who left me in Minneapolis was gone a week. Messed up big time again with his “friends.” He is from New Orleans originally and is heading back there. He wants me to go with him and take him back and he wants to show me the town and thinks that it would be good for me and that I will be able to find a job down there and start over. Down there he says, nobody cares about your past only the here and now. My sister and brother are now calling me all the time because a little Miss Busy Body saw me having trouble at church one night and called my sister. Now they are concerned. Now they want to get involved. Before it was who cares now they think there is a problem. And I called Sean to wish him a Happy Easter and his phone has been turned off and the number has been cancelled. The one person who I cared for the most and just vanished. I don’t understand what is happening in my life right now at all. I am preparing to leave on a journey on Easter Sunday and I don’t know where the journey will lead me of if I will return from the journey.

I just want someone to love me. I just want someone that I can love. I just want someone to care enough about me that they would send the very best. I just want ………………………. just want this shit to end. I want it to be over with.
 
Honey, in all honesty, the world is a tough place. If you want people to love you YOU HAVE TO LOVE YOURSELF FIRST! nobody knows you and chances are nobody ever will, nobody will ever care about you as much as yourself. You're a wonderful human being that just happens to be going through an extremely rough patch. I was there once, I know what it's like to wake up and feel purposeless, I know what it's like to feel like nobody gives a damn about you, I know what it's like to feel and be invisible, feels the days are just endless torture methods that lead nowhere... I know what you're going through.

You have to care for yourself, you have to look up and say you deserve everything in the world because you do. Nobody gets anything handed to them. That's what people that CARE about you do: appear when you need them most! They love you very much and are just noticing how much you need their help right now. NOTHING in this world is worth killing yourself for. NO ONE deserves your life like this. Killing yourself is never an answer to escaping your problems. Looking for ways to really solve them is (and that's rarely easy).

Get help. Find mental help. Sometimes, it's impossible to get out of depression since it could be chemical interactions in your brain gone wrong (you may need antidepressants to actually feel better). Stay busy: read books, keep writing (you might not know it but venting all this frustration is actually helping you somehow), listen to music, go to the park and walk around. I know its hard to find anything pleasurable anymore, but keep doing stuff. Staying busy keeps your mid off these things and exercise liberates certain chemicals in your body that make you feel better.

Maybe you do need to move somewhere else. Sometimes we associate depression with places. Like for instace, when I was depressed and visited my mother's apartment it would worsen while I was there and actually get better after I left. I went through a lot at that place. The worst 5 years of my life...

Maybe meeting new people will do you good!

Don't expect people to give you attention when you ask for it. It's not how it works! Just focus on yourself. Humans are by definition selfish creatures (after all, we ARE an animal species), and you should be too! I know you need to feel like someone else acknowledges your existence to feel alive again, but in your current state very few people will actually want to be around you because it affects them too you know! Those that do want you to get better probably do mean it because they care. If they didn't they wouldn't bother telling you anything like the rest of the world you might or might not know.

Don't be afraid to PM me if you need to talk to someone. Nothing is worth losing your life over... nothing!
 
You are obviously an intelligent person.

You admittedly have serious mental health issues and are obtaining help. If you feel you are in crisis, tell your therapist. Your post appears to indicate that you are in the midst of a major existential crisis and talking to someone on the helplines may also be good for you at this point.

If you lack adequate resources, tell them about this as well and see if they can help find you some assistance with shelter and food costs. You live in a very unforgiving country, but in the US there still are support systems to help people with severe mental health issues.

The posters on this forum can only help to a small degree and your problems are likely well beyond the scope of most guys' experience here. This will explain why you get so few responses and why many of them may not be satisfactory to you. This doesn't mean that they don't care; only that they likely feel helpless in the face of your despair.

So, once again. Call your therapist and a helpline to get through this major depressive episode. Have the therapist re-evaluate your drugs. Stop eating preserved foods and sugars. Make sure you are getting a full night's sleep.

Good luck and God Bless.
 
Scooter63: You mentioned that your family had some issues with alcoholism. Has your therapist ever discussed ACOA (Adult Children of Alcoholics) syndrome with you? If not, two books you might want to read on the subject are "Adult Children of Alcoholics Syndrome" by Wayne Kritsberg and "The Struggle for Intimacy" by Janet Woititz. Both of these books are somewhat old paperbacks, so you could probably pick them up at a used book store (or online) for as little as a few dollars.

If you're not familiar with this topic, these books will be an eye opener (trust me on this). Sometimes even a small understanding of self can make a big difference.

There are also some ACOA support groups that are free and, if you're in a large enough area, there may even be gay-oriented meetings. It does not really matter if the person in your life is no longer drinking or even living. Feel free to private me if you'd like to know more.
 
I don't know where any of you got the idea that I was seeing a therapist. Where in what I wrote does it say that? I am not. Have never seen one. If I was seeing one and was in this much trouble don't you think that I would already have been committed through a chapter proceeding? I wouldn't be out of the house and have access to my computer if I was committed.

The journey to New Orleans is a bust and I will be returning as soon as my car shows up again. The final journey.

And what a wonderful comment about God. I know most of you if not all of you on here have no faith, have no belief, and have no desire to hear it from anybody else. I have seen the promised land and I belief I too will be there. Religion is man made and all of the rules and policies and the people who tell us from the pulpits are all for their own benefit. Religion and faith are two totally different things. I don't have much time for the religion part either but I do go to church as my one hour devotion to go outside of my house and normal routine.

I came to New Orleans looking for, seeking something new, something different, maybe trying to find myself, maybe trying to allow myself to be free and that is a bust. I just got done spending an entire night alone in my hotel room with no way of getting out that doesn't cost money via a taxi ride some place. Don't know the town, the places, how to get around, where to go. I haven't eaten since Monday morning. And now my phone is having network issues and I can't call out or text out to anyone.

More of the same. It to shall end soon.
 
Complaining and looking on the dark side isn't getting you anywhere now is it?

People really don't want to help or be around you until you can learn to laugh and lighten up some. Then they can help you. But not until you learn to lighten up and not take life so seriously.

We're too busy dealing with our own pain to help you with yours. Everybody is that way.

I can empathsizie with you, feel sorry for you I could even talk and talk about your problems and feelings for hours. But ultimatley what would that do for you?

Usually when people focus on themselves they feel miserable. It's only when they focus on other people do they tend to be happy. There are other people worse off than you. Help them. Then maybe you'll be a little happier. who knows.

You seem like you're still trying though. That's all that counts.

Look at the blessings in your life you do have. Stop focusing so much on the negative. Life isn't an ideal fag fairy tale picnic but it's *not* as bad as you think it is.
 
I guess we assumed that since health insurance covered three sessions with a mental health provider, you had taken advantage of it since you are in crisis.

If you haven't you should.

You might want to go to an emergency centre to see if you could access some urgently needed mental health care.

Since you are a believer, you might also go to your church and ask for help in finding mental health care. Most pastors are able to get fairly quick access to these services.

Failing everything else, contact the suicide help line.

Posting about your determination to end it all on a porn forum board is not a way of dealing with your existential crisis.
 
mmm don't know.

take a long walk .... see beautiful surroundings, trees, plants, fresh air, eat healthy, daily walk, .... who knows .
 
...take a long walk .... see beautiful surroundings, trees, plants, fresh air, eat healthy, daily walk,....

Great idea Tels..................scooter63 (I love that name scooter63----very kool), Tels idea of going for a long walk and reflecting on the beauty of this planet is awesome advice..................


You are obviously an intelligent person. ...

I agree with rareboy..................that is quite a post you used to start this thread..................me, I've learned to take stuff one-day-at-a-time and keep my faith in a better tomorrow..................

..................like for example on Sunday our family learned that my aunt at age 57 has stage 4 ovarian cancer (really sucks) but none & I mean none of us will give in yet..................then yesterday, when I stopped by the doc's office to get my lab results, I got some not so good news from my doc about my health but as we talked we refused to discuss the "oh mys now what" we discussed the let's do this & see what my tomorrow's bring..................what a cool doctor he is..................I'll be fine but I have some work to do..................

..................scooter, it sounds to me as if you also have some work to do so when you are ready please contact one of the numerous helplines set up to help all of us get through our days..................peace..................Yuki
 
there are so many issues in scooter63 post.

maybe just walk and walk daily, don't think too much.
When tire, just ly down under the tree, relax and drink water when thirsty.
 
The truth is... To love yourself first, you have to stop caring about other people. It sounds really fucked up, but it's the truth.
I love your post dude. I have felt like life would be better if I wasn't here.

You sound like an amazing person... I can tell that you are totally smart. You are porb. too smart for people.

I am going to send you positive energy right now, and I hope that life changes for you.

-hugs-
 
I have to agree with rareboy. If you are not receiving mental health care, you need to. There are options available for you, regardless of your insurance or financial circumstance. It's time to get going and act on this.

You are obviously depressed, and that depression is creating a clouded lense on your reality. You've had many bad breaks, and all the shit you've lived through has accumulated to a mountain heap. You're not going to solve your problems in one day, or one week, but you do need a professional to guide you through the morass and help you bring order and hope to your life. Moving to other cities will almost never work because you carry your problems, and mindset, with you. Same shit, different locale.

And--as and aside--many of us here are religious, or as least faithful, in many ways. Some through organized religion, and some through an internal anchor of faith and morality. Don't judge us all by the stray comment of a poster or two. Reach inside you and summon that faith and belief-in-goodness that you have and use it to turn your life around.

Please get going and get help. Your problems are years in the making and it's going to take some time to get past them. They exceed the scope of internet forum boards and you need to see a professional.

Good luck to you. You're a bright guy who has lived under a cloud for a while. There is help out there. Please do yourself the biggest favor ever and seek it out.

Keep us up to date on how you're doing.
 
I read about 1/3 of your rant and got bored. I will be 45 in 4 months and don't understand you, what has age got to do with it? Get a therapist, join a group of people with the same interests, anything to interact with people and get out of your own problems. You are obviously well versed and intelligent by your grammar and use of words. Life is never gonna be up to the standards you think they should be. Move on and do something with it that you will enjoy, if you wait for the perfect man or job or whatever to validate your existence then you may be in for a long wait. Take what life hands you and make the most of it and go from there. Good luck and hope you take some of the good advice from the others above me.
 
I read about 1/3 of your rant and got bored. I will be 45 in 4 months and don't understand you, what has age got to do with it? Get a therapist, join a group of people with the same interests, anything to interact with people and get out of your own problems. You are obviously well versed and intelligent by your grammar and use of words. Life is never gonna be up to the standards you think they should be. Move on and do something with it that you will enjoy, if you wait for the perfect man or job or whatever to validate your existence then you may be in for a long wait. Take what life hands you and make the most of it and go from there. Good luck and hope you take some of the good advice from the others above me.

What a rude person you are. It's RUDE to say that you were bored after reading 1/3 of his post. He clearly doesn't need your negativity right now. He needs HELP, and it's people like you who who make things worse.

IF you can't even be bothered read his whole post, maybe you shouldn't give advise in the first place.
 
there may not be partners for everybody in life, but I truly think there are friends.

volunteer for any organization, there is love from a lot of people to be had.

I'll pray for you
 
For the record, I read your entire post. It sounds to me like you're letting yourself drown in your sea of troubles, waiting for someone to rescue you - it's just not going to happen.

No one is going to fix your problems for you. That's just not how life works. You expect too much of other people. You have all this faith in society and in God, but have absolutely no faith in YOURSELF. YOU make things possible, not your family, not your friends, and definitely not Jesus. Don't pray for a way out, instead pray for the strength to keep going until you find yourself a way out. There's the saying "God helps those who help themselves" and it's true.

You complain that everyone says, "join a group, etc" and that there is no gay community for you there, but yet it doesn't sound like there's anything holding you to that community, since you seem to hate everyone for not devoting all their attention to you. Why don't you leave? Go somewhere else. Start over. Maybe that's not financially possible for you, and if that's the case then that's truly unfortunate, but life isn't hopeless. There are support systems for people in financial crisis, but it's not going to fix your life. Life is probably going to suck for an extended period of time, and there may not be brighter days right away. You probably feel alone right now, like no one cares about you, which is probably true since you, yourself, don't care about you.

You have such potential in life, and I wish you could see it. Look at all the people who have been moved by your post (Sure there are the morons who come in with harsh words and no advice, but ignore them and stick to the good ones) You did that. Your words touched other people and made them care about you. There are people here that are rooting for you, and praying for you, to gather the strength to change your life. You need to have faith in yourself. You have the power to make miracles happen, but like all miracles, you have to believe in them to make them happen.

I know nothing about your family, or about this Sean character, or about this random guy that you followed to New Orleans, but I do know that you are letting these people take advantage of you in your fragile state. All I can say is that you deserve to be treated better than you are allowing these people to treat you. Your stuck with your family, but stop relying on them. If they're not paying any attention to you, than you need to make yourself worthy of attention. This Sean guy is obviously not interested in pursuing a relationship with you, in any form, so stop wasting your time with him. This guys from New Orleans sounds like he's using you for a ride and then abandoning you until he needs another ride. You don't need that, so leave him at the curb. The New Orleans idea may have been a good one however, so why don't you consider that.

In the end, I don't have any answers for you, and perhaps no one does, but it's up to you to make your life better. You can either wait for other people, or God, to change your life, or you can put all your efforts in to bettering your life for yourself. You CAN do it.

Stay strong. Keep us posted.
 
The truth is... To love yourself first, you have to stop caring about other people. It sounds really fucked up, but it's the truth.
I love your post dude. I have felt like life would be better if I wasn't here.

You sound like an amazing person... I can tell that you are totally smart. You are porb. too smart for people.

I am going to send you positive energy right now, and I hope that life changes for you.

-hugs-
How true you are when you say that in order to love oneself you need to stop caring for others. Part of my whole problem, part of my whole issues, part of the mess that I am in is that I have done nothing but care for other people my entire life and never once had I had the time to care for myself. So I don't understand how someone can say that we have to care for someone else before we can care about us.
 
It is now Thursday morning. I am still alive. I haven't eaten since Monday morning and I am still in New Orleans. I have been through a lot since I lasted posted a reply. I have been through many issues here with the person that I came to New Orleans with which has nothing but compound my problem(s) and make matters worse for me. He had told me that he was going to be here with me, show me the sights, the sounds, the things the city has to offer and to show me that I could live here and start a new life. I have been alone most of the time that I have been here as as soon as we hit the city and got checked into the hotel he has been gone most of the time. Will come back for a short period of time and then is gone again. I don't know if he has slept or ate anything and I have no clue what he is doing. He tells me he has issues that he is working on here that he needs to resolve before he can start his life over. My money has slowly disappeared when I went and checked on it early this morning and I confronted him on where it went. He said he needed to pay off some debt and that money is coming in from his grandparents to re-pay me. Yeah, I know already. You don't have to rub my nose in it. I know what shit smells like and tastes like and I have been receiving a diet of it for the past several days.

All this time of being alone, not knowing where the things in the city are and being scared by him telling me not walk around without taking a cab so I don't want to venture out to far from the hotel. So I spend most of time either sleeping, which I have been doing a lot more of in the past couple months than ever before. I am always tired. So while I am awake I have been using that time to play back what has been happening and going on over the past months and years of my life. What a fucking mess it is.

I do appreciate that some of the people who have responded have been thoughtful in what they wrote. And yes, there are assholes that read a thread like this and evidently can't figure out that my life is all fucked up for what ever reason it is. Whether it is my fault, my own doing, what I have allowed to happen, the choices that I have made or the fact that I was just manufactured like this and don't have all the parts that I need or whatever. If people would have read what I wrote about the hurtful comments and how it makes people feel inside. If it isn't that obvious to you then maybe I will spell it out for you. There are times that people who are thinking about, contemplating, planning, or working it through do make comments or motions or means of letting people know that they are in trouble and what they really are doing is asking for help. Asking for someone to step up and provide a shoulder, a direction, a means, a kick in the ass or whatever to get them the help that they need. So making rude, inconsiderate, moronic comments about writing, posting on a gay forum or whatever are just that. You are the one that is missing the boat. You are the one doing more damage. Your comments, your thoughtfulness, your sincerity, and your compassion was greatly appreciated by me. It helped a whole lot.

And yes I am looking, wanting, planning, trying to get out of the town I live in. It is my home town. And no I am not pissed that they are giving me the devotion that I expect it is the respect that I deserve for being a human being and for being a member of that community and in helping that community fuction. But being small towns it is all about last names, about jobs, about who you are related to, and how much money you have. I am only back in that town because that is where my parents were and I was there to take care of them. Now with everything else going on in my life and in the economy it is just fucking hard to get out and re-started anywhere. All I ever wanted is just respect. Just people to respect me for who I am, for what I am, and for what I have become. I don't want devotion I want people to respect me and appreciate me. And after all, I have dropped what I do to go help them and they don't reciprocate back. Some haven't even paid me the money they owe me for working for them.

I live in a small town, in a rural county, that is the poorest county in the fucking state, it has the lowest education level, and probably ranks among the lowest on any of the other hundred of labels as well. There are no organizations to belong to and when I was part of one it was not anything that provided a social outing, interaction with, instead it was one that I gave an inordinate amount of time, effort, and my own personal money to in helping it get back on its feet financially. And while I was doing that, I was taking time away from spending with my mom and helping her enjoy what turned out to be the last years of her life.

I am not looking for someone to come and pass a magical wand and take all of my problems away. I am looking for someone who will be there for me no matter what. Who will stand by me in the hard times as well as the good times, if they come to me. I am looking for someone to say, maybe quietly, maybe loudly, maybe forcfully, maybe with physical force that I need to go some place. Is that too much to ask for? Is that too much to voice in a written form even if it is on a gay forum for christs sake? And yes, I have talked to my Priest and yes I have told him in response to his question about whether I am serious about harming myself and he was at a loss for what to say or do. They are equipped to handle that. Who is? I have talked to him three times and one time for about 5 hours. When my sister confronted me at church I told her that I was thinking about ending all of this. She goes into a protective and covering almost smothering mode and I don't need that. Besides, it comes across to me as so fake and insincere when someone does that after not being in contact with someone after a period of time. If you care enough about people you stay in contact with them. I thought the person that I had come to New Orleans with was the person who was going to be standing by me and who would be there to support me. Instead, I fear and feel that I have just been made a sucker for someone who is adept at playing the con game and getting what they want from people who are in desperate states. Like I said above, I don't need my nose rubbed in it again. I think I have figured it out. Now I just have to see to it that I get out of the situation.

Like I alluded to above, I have been sitting in the hotel room and thinking. I am seriously thinking that when I drive back north that it will end somewhere along the line. Those thoughts, those plans, those ideas are not gone. They are not weaker or are they getting smaller in my mind. I am planning on leaving New Orleans on Friday, earlier than what I had planned for and a whole lot more frustrated about the whole situation. All the things that I was lead to belief about what this trip was going to be about, what it would do for me, and how it would go have not been to fruition. It has been the complete opposite of everything. Instead of a chance for re-discovery, re-birth, and a new beginning it has been one of staleness and more of the same stuff just different location and different person doing it. It has not been a chance to start over or to feel like starting over. In fact it has made me all the more down and all the more certain that my life is over. Another example of how pathetic I am and what lousy decisions I make all in the attempt to find happiness. To buy happiness. To feel happiness from someone.

If I make it back home, and I say IF with emphasis, my thoughts right now are that I am going to make an appointment with a doctor and spell it out for them. IF I make it back home, if I have to be hospitalized for this then it will be. IF I have to be locked up in a secure facility in order to not harm myself then it will be. IF I need to be medicated then it will have to be. IF I have to be in therapy then it will have to be. IF it costs me what little money I have in the bank and IF it costs me my temporary job, and IF it costs me my house and worldly possessions then it will be. IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF. Those are mighty big words. The drive down was with someone. The drive back home will be by myself.

A person I work with before I left noticed that I was not looking or acting to good. I told her I wasn't. She asked for how long. I said I have been doing a good job of covering it up until now. My problem now is that I no longer can cover it up. I can't hide it behind a smile or fake interest. I can't hide it behind the sagged eyes, the lost weight, the tired ness, the lethargic attitude and walk. I can't hide it any more.

And one last thing, God created us and He gave us free will as humans. We do what we want whether it is right or wrong. Whether it harms him or not. God created a Shack for us all. He also created a place for each of us. I firmly believe that as humans we are put on Earth to learn from others and to teach others on how to live. We keep doing that until we have learned what it is that we are to learn. Then we stay home. God loves us entirely and unconditionally no matter what we do, no matter who we are, no matter what we think. God loves us whether we are gay or straight. God loves us unconditionally. And no, in my book, suicide is not a crime against God or his love, or his plan. Suicide is an option for us to go back and get a new mission to learn and teach what it was that we failed do in this life.

There are other comments that we posted that I thought about responding to but this reply is getting long and it seems as though others don't like to read long posts. How short our time is really and what it would have been had we taken the time to read a longer post, a longer thread, a longer idea, a longer problem, just to take the time. We need to take the time to think of what our actions, verbal and physical, do to others. What it says to them, about them, and about what we think of them. We need to be more considerate about our fellow MAN and the person sitting next to us, walking next to us, living next to us, working with us. We just need to be considerate and understanding. Maybe if more people started caring for others then they will come to like themselves more as was told in an earlier post. How that works I still don't get. We do have to be more considerate and understanding of what others are doing, saying, going through before we can be a better human being and we should be caring enough about each other to show a little compassion once in a while. There is a time for tough love, for bare knuckles, and for a knock out punch. But there is also the time for a little tenderness, a little caring, a little love, a little understanding, and a little pat on the back. Is that too much to ask for? Is that too much to want? Is that too much to desire?
 
Scotter man, you're all over the place. There are glimpses of light that you just can't see right now. You have a job (allbeit temporary) you have a house and some money. Many, many people don't have even that much. When your head clears you can have friends that you can count on. Don't be afraid to check yourself into a hospital.

I see the hope and the want in love riddled with wanting to end it all. You need to reinstitute faith and hope to get what you want. No it isn't too much to ask for, but you have to clear your head enough for it to even happen. You can't get what you want if you bow out.

It's your choice.
 
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