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Which ideology are you closest to?

Which ideology are you closest to?

  • Socialist

    Votes: 8 14.8%
  • Social Democrat

    Votes: 11 20.4%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 8 14.8%
  • Communist

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 7 13.0%
  • Libertarian

    Votes: 11 20.4%
  • Fascist

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Moderate

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • N/A

    Votes: 2 3.7%

  • Total voters
    54
I am a liberal capitalist...HA

political parties are only good for focusing on the assholes, not really for joining.

Technically I am registered as a non affiliated voter.
 
Hmmm... I guess Moderate. Best of both worlds?
 
Frequently, a vast number of the people hollering that phrase are using need to hide their greed.

BTW, here's an approach to dealing with that 2% having so much of the wealth:

replace any (including the absence of) an inheritance tax with a stipulation that no one bequest, save one bestowing the family home, can be more than 1/2($1 million)(minimum wage).

Sit down and calculate just how many heirs Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, et al would have to find.

I was starting to like you until stopped at greed. So rob the rich of their hard earned money that they got just out of the desire to let their children grow up reasonably well.
I do not believe you are at all a Libertarian.
Please explain this "Constitutional Monarchical Libertarianism" and in the basic sense what this means.
 
I was starting to like you until stopped at greed. So rob the rich of their hard earned money that they got just out of the desire to let their children grow up reasonably well.
I do not believe you are at all a Libertarian.
Please explain this "Constitutional Monarchical Libertarianism" and in the basic sense what this means.

rob the rich

desire for children

really? REALLY??

Donald trump doesn't have money for his kids. He has it because he likes blondes and gold leaf throne rooms. He does it for the power.

Its capitalism... he can make cash. Its also a democracy and he pays fairly for what he fed off of.

GREED is not noble.
 
I was starting to like you until stopped at greed. So rob the rich of their hard earned money that they got just out of the desire to let their children grow up reasonably well.
I do not believe you are at all a Libertarian.
Please explain this "Constitutional Monarchical Libertarianism" and in the basic sense what this means.


Hard earned money"?

Wow, are you naive! The entire financial system is rigged to funnel money from the poor to the rich, without any effort on the part of the rich at all. Of course a great deal of civil law is designed to punish the poor for being poor, too.

Of all the rich people I've met, only a handful had "worked hard" for their wealth. Every one of them gave away a fifth or more of their income to people in need -- rarely as money, though, but as things people needed (like the one who, at a PTA meeting for the local church school, realized what a constant effort it was for the poorer people to work out rides for the kids, so he (1) wrote a check to the school for two large vans, (2) established a modest endowment to pay for insurance for those vans, and (3) learned from the pastor and school administration just how many families would still be struggling, with which information he went down to some car dealerships and set up a system for those folks to get cars free [without them ever knowing who did it]... with the warning that if there was any problem with any of those cars, he'd make a problem for the one who sold it [unintended consequence: not knowing which cars the families were going to choose, they overhauled every used car that could possibly qualify]) (or like the doctor who bought himself, his wife, and his secretary new vans every year, and sometimes more than once a year, because a local private school had a rule that they would not accept donations of new merchandise over some amount in cost -- and his one requirement for the school was that when they switched an old van for a "not new" one he was providing, they take it to a certain garage and have it thoroughly checked out and overhauled, and then give it to a needy family in the neighborhood).

Now, just where did I propose robbing anyone of anything? Didn't happen.

Oh -- are you objecting that I called people screaming for government money greedy? Often they are.

I suspect that by the time they die, those rich people's kids will already be doing quite well. And if they aren't, a bequest of 1/2($1 million)(minimum wage) ought to take care of that (if it can't, they're miserably incompetent anyway, and should give their money to someone who can be creative with it).


Am I a Libertarian? More than any on this board, and more than most I've met in real life... enough that I get called a liberal by the reactionaries here (the actual conservatives seem to be able to tell the difference) and a conservative by unthinking liberals.

Most self-named libertarians aren't at all -- they're closet anarchists. Case in point: dismantling the federal government -- do it overnight, as most self-proclaimed libertarians drool about, and you don't enhance liberty, you get anarchy.

Others are just liars. Example: the Koch Brothers. Looking at where they donate their "libertarian" money shows a pattern aiming at plutocracy.

And speaking of plutocracy, and decent libertarian should oppose anything that trends in that direction: plutocracy inevitable becomes some form of feudalism, and feudalism is not good for liberty. Historically, intense concentration of wealth is bad for liberty; therefore, any libertarian with an IQ over 95 should see that the concentration of wealth is to be opposed.


That's long enough; I'll describe my constitutional monarchical libertarianism later.
 
rob the rich

I have no interest in robbing the rich -- I'd just like to make them give back their unjust unearned income.

If the rates and structures at U S Bank here are a good example, my estimate is that a sixth of income from financial institutions is unearned, fleeced from the poorer depositors. I'll assume that holds true across the financial system (arguable -- so sue me). So financial investments are hauling in 15+% totally unearned.

Now they of course use that to get other income. Looking at the interest rates they charge people, I'll say they're getting a 15% return. Throw those together, and I judge they're earning 18% they have no right to.

So they should pay at least 18% in taxes, even if no one else pays any at all.



.... my noggin is saying I slipped up in there somewhere, but it's past my math bedtime.
 
You can't blame anyone for being greedy, swear by the bible if you want to. If I want to buy a boat and sail the world, but the only thing that's stopping me are competitors and my $1,200 a year salary (just an example) then I will wipe out the competition based on my greed.

Not directing this all to you kulin.

But you must stay away from generalizations about the rich
"The entire financial system is rigged to funnel money from the poor to the rich, without any effort on the part of the rich at all."
Except for, you know some of the small business owners having to struggle with owning one local restaurant that spends almost all of it's money earned on paychecks, electricity, and rent, but then having to deal with a higher tax based on how their business makes more than $150,000 without taking away the expenses.

"Wow, are you naive!"
Aren't we all? haha

"I have no interest in robbing the rich -- I'd just like to make them give back their unjust unearned income."
You adding the word "make" just turned this sentence into a huge contradicting Newspeak phrase.

"Its capitalism... he can make cash. Its also a democracy and he pays fairly for what he fed off of."
This explains why I'm finally happy to live in the United States, for we have the choice to give to the poor or handle our own money in whatever way we want without having pricks regulating us to give it back.

I probably didn't give you the proper response you wanted.
 
You can't blame anyone for being greedy, swear by the bible if you want to. If I want to buy a boat and sail the world, but the only thing that's stopping me are competitors and my $1,200 a year salary (just an example) then I will wipe out the competition based on my greed.

And so long as you do it ethically, and actually earn the money, fine.

But you must stay away from generalizations about the rich
"The entire financial system is rigged to funnel money from the poor to the rich, without any effort on the part of the rich at all."
Except for, you know some of the small business owners having to struggle with owning one local restaurant that spends almost all of it's money earned on paychecks, electricity, and rent, but then having to deal with a higher tax based on how their business makes more than $150,000 without taking away the expenses.

Which has what to do with my statement you quoted?

If you don't think the financial system is set up to funnel money to the rich without them having to lift a finger, you are definitely naive.

"I have no interest in robbing the rich -- I'd just like to make them give back their unjust unearned income."
You adding the word "make" just turned this sentence into a huge contradicting Newspeak phrase.

So when a burglar swipes my wallet and takes my cash, am I supposed to ask him nicely to give it back?

"Its capitalism... he can make cash. Its also a democracy and he pays fairly for what he fed off of."
This explains why I'm finally happy to live in the United States, for we have the choice to give to the poor or handle our own money in whatever way we want without having pricks regulating us to give it back.

No, we just have pricks regulating us to give it to the rich.

Just as an example, my town now has a regulation which allows the cops to take your car off the street if someone thinks it's unsightly, and impound it without warning. Who benefits? The wealthy -- because if you want your car back, you have to pay the $500 impound fee, the $200 towing fee, and storage fees on top of that, to one of three guys already with a net worth of $3+ million not counting the business.

They could already do the same thing to RVs, even on your own property; if it's unsightly, they can cut the lock on your fence, drive across your yard, haul away your trailer or motorhome... and if they declare it "derelict", they can scrap it and keep the money.

Here's a fun one I got clobbered with: if you're poor and move, the bank charges a $30 change of address fee. If you don't come in and fill out a form officially informing them, they'll charge it again the next month.
Then there's the account inactivity fee, which of course applies only to accounts with less than $10k in them.
And the paycheck advance fee, to get money against your paycheck they know is coming; if you're poor, you pay $25 or 10% of the advance, whichever is greater, but if you're rich, they do it for free.
And the "failed automatic payment" fee, which is a punishment for the poor for not having enough money to make a computerized payment -- the bank doesn't pay it, of course, but then they charge you because they didn't pay it...
unless you're rich, in which case it's all free.


These practices are nothing but theft, aimed at fleecing the poor to make the rich even richer.
 
I'm effectively a social democrat, though in Canada that term can more or less be interchanged with socialist, for the most part.
 
Which has what to do with my statement you quoted?

Ah yes addressing two people at the same time makes me think I'm addressing one.

And so long as you do it ethically, and actually earn the money, fine.
And in your opinion are there any companies/corporations who follow this? Noone does even if it's the smallest of mistakes. Please own a business, then became a corporation and tel me if your views change at all, for this idea makes me queer.
 
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