Who's afraid of Coronavirus?

[belamyi]

^ Reality show, pathological, sycophantic, lying, blabbering stooge.

But he fought for what he was right for him and for the medal-givers.

Like we were saying, you do not get rich and famous for what is right and good for absolutely everybody.

 

[belamyi]

Totally agree, even though we're deeper into this mess now. Our culture seems really good at compounding a crisis with hysteria and irrational response. Reminds me somewhat of 9/11 happening all over again, only it's nature attacking us this time instead of the Saudis. I wonder what the retaliatory war against nature is going to look like... We'll probably nuke Venezuela because that's where the virus leadership is hiding...

First off, that the total of dead by infuenza is higher is not even true anymore. But even if it still were so, the physiological and epidemic agressiveness of SARS-CoV-2 is not the same as that of common influenza. not to speak of the lack of a vaccine for it.
Then, that total of deaths that all wannabe rational negationists keep using in their bantering is not reached through epidemic peaks in very localized small areas and brief periods of time, like a weekend: it collapses the sanitary systems of whole nations for weeks.
The problem of this crisis, and the threat for the economy, is not in a current overreaction, but rather the contrary, in the extreme "underreaction" to it during the past three months: and negationists are being the bigger threat by insisting on the same ignorance that led us to this global mess.

 

[rareboy]

Totally agree, even though we're deeper into this mess now. Our culture seems really good at compounding a crisis with hysteria and irrational response. Reminds me somewhat of 9/11 happening all over again, only it's nature attacking us this time instead of the Saudis. I wonder what the retaliatory war against nature is going to look like... We'll probably nuke Venezuela because that's where the virus leadership is hiding...

Total nonsense.

The deaths per million in the most affected countries is staggeringly high...even where strict preventive measures are in place.

I think that many of you are somehow unable to take this all seriously if there aren't tens of thousands of dead lying in the streets. As long as it is someone else's family. And not you.

The Spanish flu pandemic should have been the only lesson the world needed...but we keep fooling ourselves into thinking that another rapidly mutating, incredibly efficient virus can't do the same damage.

Remember, this one is just phase one....in 1918, it was the second wave that killed tens of millions of people.

As someone who is in a high risk category, with a partner in a high risk category...I know firsthand how horrible pneumonia can be...and how easily masses of people can be infected with viruses.

And COVID 19 is no the number 1 cause of death in the US and is nowhere near finished. It is silly to keep comparing it to influenza.

And once again, although it shouldn't even need to be repeated....this isn't just about the death rate. This is about flattening the curve so that there are literally enough hospital beds and resources to deal with the caseload. With hundreds of thousands of active critical cases in the US all at one time....there would be no one...and I mean no one, to provide care and hundreds of thousands more would just have to die. Period.

You and others have this luxury of being an armchair quarterback and being grumpy because you think the reaction is excessive.

But not everyone wants to die or to see loved ones die in order to illustrate 'what doesn't killyou makes you stronger'.

 

[belamyi]

^ You can't blame people who believe in the economagics of trickle-down and the Laffer curve, and who would overreact whenever daddy government does not allow them to engage in reckless business, for feeling there is being a crass overreaction with the coronamess.

 

[Dominus]

A sailor just died onboard the covid 19 infested carrier.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/13/sailor-uss-roosevelt-dies-coronavirus-183164

So, it is not just the old and sickley that could die from this.

 

[dave99]

Sorry belamo and rareboy, but you're buying the government/corporate propaganda. The number of people who have been exposed is vastly more than reported, since testing has been so limited and even people with symptoms have been urged to stay home and not get tested unless the symptoms get critical. The death rate has also been vastly distorted because hospitals are reporting every death which the person tested positive as a COVID-19 death regardless of what the person died from. So if you look at the death rates for virtually all other diseases, they've dropped to near zero. The hospitals are happy to go along with this, because the $2trill stimulus bill provides full medical coverage for every COVID-19 patient, even the uninsured, plus pays 20% over Medicare rates. The vast majority of deaths have been very elderly people with serious underlying conditions, the same type of people who often die from influenza. The greatest indicator of the likelihood of death from this is being put on a ventilator; over 80% of the people being put on a ventilator are dying. There's a growing consensus within the ranks of the ICU docs on the front lines that the protocol is wrong for the symptoms they're seeing, and the ventilators are causing lung damage and a high percentage of the deaths. Put that all together and there is a MASSIVE distortion in the data. Times like this call for paying attention beyond the facade.

 

[opinterph]

… the $2trill stimulus bill provides full medical coverage for every COVID-19 patient, even the uninsured, plus pays 20% over Medicare rates.

… the ventilators are causing lung damage and a high percentage of the deaths.

Well that information is definitely from somewhere beyond the facade.

Got any links?

 

[belamyi]

Sorry belamo and rareboy, but you're buying the government/corporate propaganda. The number of people who have been exposed is vastly more than reported, since testing has been so limited and even people with symptoms have been urged to stay home and not get tested unless the symptoms get critical. The death rate has also been vastly distorted because hospitals are reporting every death which the person tested positive as a COVID-19 death regardless of what the person died from. So if you look at the death rates for virtually all other diseases, they've dropped to near zero. The hospitals are happy to go along with this, because the $2trill stimulus bill provides full medical coverage for every COVID-19 patient, even the uninsured, plus pays 20% over Medicare rates. The vast majority of deaths have been very elderly people with serious underlying conditions, the same type of people who often die from influenza. The greatest indicator of the likelihood of death from this is being put on a ventilator; over 80% of the people being put on a ventilator are dying. There's a growing consensus within the ranks of the ICU docs on the front lines that the protocol is wrong for the symptoms they're seeing, and the ventilators are causing lung damage and a high percentage of the deaths. Put that all together and there is a MASSIVE distortion in the data. Times like this call for paying attention beyond the facade.

Obviously the number of infected and dead will always be higher than the officially VERIFIED numbers, in 2020 like in 1348, and that leaving aside the fact that countries like China or Russia, let alone North Korea or Myanmar, may have a particular interest in deflating their totals: only gullible people either stick to official numbers, or think they are outsmarting everyone by doubting anything with governments or corporations involved. There is a petty kennel ranting going on over here in sunny Spain about people holding their dear dead against the government as if they had been part of a cover-up conspiracy, when it is only a common matter of verified and unverified, not of real against fake, that nobody ever cared to consider until there were thousands of people involved and, most importantly, their families got personally involved.

That's what happens when clueless people get a big slap from reality, which leaves them more baffled and numb than actually awake, and then they pretend, just like you do, that they are discovering an unknown fact that escapes everyone except a few initiated like themselves.

Just before we proceed any further and farther, take notice that every bit of information you may want to use against anyone in any discussion, also derives, one way or another, ultimately from a government or corporation: another obviousness you may want to consider. That, unless you are the hero of some Roland Emmerich blockbuster, who gets first-hand info that allows him (it's always a he) to enlighten and save the world from evil or merely clueless governments and corporations.

You are talking about ventilators, but then you are assuming that crappy American technology being sold for a profit instead of for quality service, if that's the "likelihood" you are referring to, must be the same case going on everywhere else around the world. Or, leaving aside the country and entering more into therapy, as you point in your own post, it is true that ventilators are a very aggressive treatment for people over 70 or 80, who may already be suffering from other conditions: a couple of weeks ago, there was a media uproar dealing with a protocol from the Catalonian government discouraging outright treatment with ventilators in that sort of older, less strong patients, precisely because of its aggressiveness, but the people took it as if they were denying dispensable elders a treatment that would be better employed in younger, stronger patients.

Put all that together and there is a MASSIVE distortion, not merely of data, but also of the information and the reasoning willing to put together all that data: if you wait until "times like these" to be called for "attention beyond the facade", you are no better equipped to get a better understanding than those you pretend to enlighten about what may actually be going on, and a good proof of not "paying attention beyond the facade" is remaining stuck in the teenage game of X-files conspiracy theories.

 

[mikey3000]

Totally agree, even though we're deeper into this mess now. Our culture seems really good at compounding a crisis with hysteria and irrational response. Reminds me somewhat of 9/11 happening all over again, only it's nature attacking us this time instead of the Saudis. I wonder what the retaliatory war against nature is going to look like... We'll probably nuke Venezuela because that's where the virus leadership is hiding...

I bet you it will look something like what the Patriot Act looks like, stripping what remains of any rights and freedoms you have left.

 

[mikey3000]

And for the record, I haven't yet found one person who believes this is all virus. Every single person I know there is way more going on behind the scenes. Remember, the virus is not the cause of this economic collapse, but it is the cover up. With all the bullshit that has happened over the past four years, you'd have to be an idiot to think this production is all organic. I'm not saying their isn't a virus, there are many on this planet, but the response to it is totally contrived.

 

[dave99]

Well that information is definitely from somewhere beyond the facade.

Got any links?

Sure. Sorry for the long videos, but I think they have perspectives that aren't getting out via the mainstream media. If you have the patience to get past the talk about conspiracies, the experts in both videos are worth hearing out.

belamo, I have nothing more to share with people so naive as to throw out the "conspiracy theories" dismissal/put-down. That just announces that one wishes to be unteachable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmD...-faQejc7eSik8eCrvKkNncIqhvWRv6ZaA-CWTpfgZ2HEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g4...cSxFMrPXfpKsJhZxNBHBlNrACcKFF_D7LSTeY6lFxRkRA
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200409.207680/full/
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_pub...cine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

 

[mikey3000]

^^^ exactly, anyone that thinks Nursing is a glamorous well paid job should think again, same for a Paramedic, you're never going to get rich doing either. It's a career choice, and not one for the feint hearted.

Here, it's common for nurses to hit the $100k mark. And no, you didn't sign up to die, neither did anyone else who gets sick on the job and dies. Miners, plumbers, electricians, hair dressers even, everyone can die on the job. But none the less, I think nurses do a very important job and often make our worst days better. A big thank you for everything you do.

 

[belamyi]

belamo, I have nothing more to share with people so naive as to throw out the "conspiracy theories" dismissal/put-down. That just announces that one wishes to be unteachable.

I did not get so touchy when you lightly accused me of merely buying official propaganda.

So you didn't read the parts in which I somewhat agreed with you, and you just stuck with the references to the conspiracy loonies: people getting "perspectives" away from the mainstream media can be either conspiracy theorists or people trying to go "beyond the facade", and I was just trying to discern which group you belonged to,

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

Sure. Sorry for the long videos, but I think they have perspectives that aren't getting out via the mainstream media. If you have the patience to get past the talk about conspiracies, the experts in both videos are worth hearing out.

belamo, I have nothing more to share with people so naive as to throw out the "conspiracy theories" dismissal/put-down. That just announces that one wishes to be unteachable.

Youtube videos aren't sources btw.
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On another note, this is pretty fucked up.

 

[belamyi]

belamo, I have nothing more to share with people so naive as to throw out the "conspiracy theories" dismissal/put-down. That just announces that one wishes to be unteachable.

I did not get so touchy when you lightly accused me of merely buying official propaganda.

So you didn't read the parts in which I somewhat agreed with you, and you just stuck with the references to the conspiracy loonies: people getting "perspectives" away from the mainstream media can be either conspiracy theorists or people trying to go "beyond the facade", and I was just trying to discern which group you belonged to,

BTW, one does not need to be very fancy to be a conspiracy theorist, and randomly treating people of being gullible, and liberally throwing out expressions like "government/corporate propaganda" are enough to fit you into the conspiracy theorist group... just like quoting the "government/corporate 'propaganda'" seems enough to dismiss someone's comments as naive "propaganda buyer".

 

[rareboy]

Sure. Sorry for the long videos, but I think they have perspectives that aren't getting out via the mainstream media. If you have the patience to get past the talk about conspiracies, the experts in both videos are worth hearing out.

belamo, I have nothing more to share with people so naive as to throw out the "conspiracy theories" dismissal/put-down. That just announces that one wishes to be unteachable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmD...-faQejc7eSik8eCrvKkNncIqhvWRv6ZaA-CWTpfgZ2HEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g4...cSxFMrPXfpKsJhZxNBHBlNrACcKFF_D7LSTeY6lFxRkRA
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200409.207680/full/
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_pub...cine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

hahahahahaha

omg.


Where are the videos that all of this is all about establishing the New World Order?

Or that the virus is spread by 5G networks?


"If you have the patience to get past the talk about conspiracies, the experts in both videos are worth hearing out."

If Youtube is where you are getting all your 'information'...you should probably climb back up from that rabbit hole.

 

[rareboy]

 

[NotHardUp1]

Not the Indians.

 

[belamyi]

hahahahahaha

omg.


Where are the videos that all of this is all about establishing the New World Order?

Or that the virus is spread by 5G networks?


"If you have the patience to get past the talk about conspiracies, the experts in both videos are worth hearing out."

If Youtube is where you are getting all your 'information'...you should probably climb back up from that rabbit hole.

I'm still curious about they have to say: I will be listening one minute at a time from both videos until this evening.

 

[rareboy]