Why can't white gay men just admit they are racist?

[BrandonSBCA]

It's strongly common in the bear community, and any other community as well. Had a big argument with a guy who ended up calling me a very offensive word to describe a Mexican.

 

[Ninja108]

I see more racism in your post than from the so called "gay mafia". And Isaiah made his comments in private and public, so I highly doubt it was planned. Is there still racism yes. But to broadbrush everyone makes you as bad the racists you claim you hate.

 

[theFallenGod]

Charles Knipp a white gay man only got negative press attention because black gay activists pointed out the hypocrisy of the white gay community. Yet Knipp perfoms in blackface as Shriley Q liquor at white gay bars all across America where white gay men sit with their friends and drink and laugh at all the racist stereotypes and caricatures of black womanhood.

You forgot to mention that GLAAD ONLY took ACTION SEVERAL MONTHS after the Shirley Q Liquor incidents after the LA Times and black gay activists bashed GLAAD in an article and THEN GLAAD spoke out against Shirley Q Liquior. You also forgot to mention that it was the work of a black lesbian feminist Jasmyne Cannick she was the one that lead the charge against the bigotry and racism of GLAAD and Shirley Q Liquor. GLAAD ONLY took a stand after black gay activists pointed out their racism.

Of course....MORE HYPOCRISY....

Its ok when the Wayan Brothers do it.... or when Eddie Murphy does it....but not ok when a drag queen does it....????

Yeah typical hypocrisy....do as we say not as we do...absolutely no better than Ted Haggard at all....

Plus the fact that Shirley Q Liquor is based on a friend of Charles Knipp's doesn't make a difference....

We all like to laugh when Bernie Mac makes racist remarks but as soon as the shoe is on the other foot its instantly race card time....

DOWN WITH THE WHITE DEVIL.....

 

[cbtfan]

My Bangladeshi boyfriend didn't think I was racist, nor did the Jamaican one...nor, in fact, did the Ghanaian one...

Mind you the Welsh one did...and so did the the Irish one.

But it was a bit difficult for me...

As the Bangladeshi hated the Jamaican, the Jamaican the Welsh , the Welsh the Irish, the Irish the Ghanaian and the Ghanaian hated the lot of them.

 

[jackoroe]

There is more than enough racism, homophobia, misogyny and every other kind of hate to go around. And it is with whites, blacks, indians, asians and any other group you care to mention. Maybe if we all stop noticing our differences, we may just come together as human beings. Just my hope.

 

[Richardodessa]

I'm a white gay male and I haven't a racist bone in my body, and I also don't get the point of this thread. I think the thread is perhaps racial motivated.

 

[yuty]

All y'all white krackers is racist!!

Begone White Devils!

I said, BEGONE!

:|

 

[luminum]

Or, could it be that the fact that Isaiah Washington is a black man who should know what it's like to face prejudice and he still lets loose hate speak?

Perhaps it's the irony and hypocrisy of the situation that makes people angry, not because they're racist.

 

[JackFTwist]

Personally, when I heard about this Isaiah Washington thing, my first thought was, "Hmmm. Someone who I would expect to be crying 'prejudice' is actually the one who is spouting it."

You would think so.

And as well, you would think that no gay man would defend Don Imus.

What has been stunning - and why the author of the first post of this thread is on to something real - is that JUB has been filled with stunning posts that leave me very concerned about where I hang out.

In short: a black man made a comment in private and we had theeads with petitions to get him fired and every other sort of denouncing. No one thought that somehow his rights to free speech were being denied.

A white man says something on public airwaves and we have threads on how he is being picked on, how he is being persecuted, that it is wrong that he be held accountable, that everyone says it, no big deal, his free speech rights are violated.

You would think gays would understand that we cannot tolerate hate speech. But what we have seen in JUB is that speech by blacks is traeted differently than speech by whites, and that homophobic speech is treated differerntly than racist or sexist speech.

So I call that racist too. And very sad. Because eveidently the so called freedom of the rainbow flag is so white guys can suck each others cocks, it is not about anything more such as the defense against speech anytime anywhere by anyone so that all people can live without harrassment. And that is very sad.

 

[JackFTwist]

Or, could it be that the fact that Isaiah Washington is a black man who should know what it's like to face prejudice and he still lets loose hate speak?

Perhaps it's the irony and hypocrisy of the situation that makes people angry, not because they're racist.

see the post above.

the fact the white gays have such high expectations on what African Americans should do and are so fast to defend Imus is the double standard and the irony and hypocrisy of the situation that makes people angry, because it reveals the racism.

 

[yuty]

You would think so.

And as well, you would think that no gay man would defend Don Imus.

What has been stunning - and why the author of the first post of this thread is on to something real - is that JUB has been filled with stunning posts that leave me very concerned about where I hang out.

In short: a black man made a comment in private and we had theeads with petitions to get him fired and every other sort of denouncing. No one thought that somehow his rights to free speech were being denied.

A white man says something on public airwaves and we have threads on how he is being picked on, how he is being persecuted, that it is wrong that he be held accountable, that everyone says it, no big deal, his free speech rights are violated.

You would think gays would understand that we cannot tolerate hate speech. But what we have seen in JUB is that speech by blacks is traeted differently than speech by whites, and that homophobic speech is treated differerntly than racist or sexist speech.

So I call that racist too. And very sad. Because eveidently the so called freedom of the rainbow flag is so white guys can suck each others cocks, it is not about anything more such as the defense against speech anytime anywhere by anyone so that all people can live without harrassment. And that is very sad.

It's called a double standard.

I never thought Washington should be fired. He was expressing his views no matter how insulting they were.

Don Imus did the same.

Either way, the gay community was defending their own by their values. As was the black community in the Don Imus fiasco.

Both were overblown and both were examples of how political correctness and appearances have more stake in today's country.

 

[JASON0980]

i am a white gay man, and i am not fucking racist at all!! how in the hell can you sit here and tell me that all white gay men hat blacks?!?! to me it sounds like you are the racist!! i don't care if it was brad pitt that said it i would want him fired. if ellen called janet jackson the N word i would want her fired. its a bout being professional, not about the color of his skin.

so before you tell me that whit gay men hate blacks maybe you should make sure its true!

 

[luminum]

see the post above.

the fact the white gays have such high expectations on what African Americans should do and are so fast to defend Imus is the double standard and the irony and hypocrisy of the situation that makes people angry, because it reveals the racism.

Who defended Imus? I certainly didn't. And I didn't start 'fire Isaiah Washington' threads either.

Also, I love how racism is always 'whites vs. blacks'. Why are there these responses as though Black people are the only minority in America...

 

[TravisMT81]

well why are black people racist against white people?

 

[TaigaStar]

I just love how the quest for "racial equality" somehow always ends up being hindered by the "evil white man." How can we proceed to live in an allegedly unified society when people turns the things into a race issue?

 

[luminum]

Also, I'd like to point out some differences that may give food for thought:

People like Isaiah Washington (such as Rosie O'Donnel) tend to get in more trouble for harboring prejudiced attitudes because they should know better than to feel that way.

People like Imus (such as Ann Coulter) tend not to be so greatly championed against because they already know that these people are completely bigotted. Nothing they say goes without expressing their prejudice for everything that isn't who they are are where they come from. They're already vastly unsupported.

 

[StlKj]

Having a job in the media is not protected by freedom of speech. You're protected from going to jail or being shot on sight by freedom of speech.

Washington and Imus are grown men who made ignorant hateful remarks. I've not enjoyed Grey's Anatomy ever since Washinton's remarks. I'm also not planning on ever seeing a Mel Gibson film again, nor anything Michael Richards does. All of these men have apologized, but forgiveness and forgetting are different things. I can never see them in any role now without knowing who they really are deep down. As far as Imus is concerned, I never cared for anything he was about anyway.

I do think it is telling that the people who are going on about racism are ignoring the fact that several of the young women on the Rutger's team are white, and they were also offended. After all, he did call them "hos." I don't see many people in these threads focusing much on how he offended women in general, regardless of race.

Over the past week I have seen and grown tired of people coming on here making offensive generalizations. Not all gay men are racist or sexist, as not all straight ones are. Not all white people are racist, as all black people are not. We're also not all misogynists or against fat or thin people. We're also not all against Mexicans, Canadians, Brits, handicapped individuals, etc.

Making sweeping generalizations like the title of this thread does nothing to help people reach any kind of understanding. It's just more bullshit stereotyping.

Here's a thought...if you're not talking in these threads to help find a solution to all of this and reach understanding and appreciation of others, then you're merely a part of the problem you're bitching about.

 

[Comrad]

Humm, no. I personly thought the whole Don Imus thing was kind of funny. When he said it i was dieing of laughter. This isnt about black or white, ANYBODY could be a racist. But there is so much hate for so many diffrent types of things and people i really dont care what people think.

But one thing i have always disliked is that if your a white person in general, no matter what you do your going to always be labeled as a racist off the bat. You could have slept with thousands of people of color, and people would still think your a racist. And one last thing that people always seem to not get is, everybody has a preference, and a standard. If you don't have either then you must be pathetically desperate of just sad...

 

[luminum]

Yeah, man. Do you see how much people here hate Ann Coulter, Fred Phelps, and any politician or political figure who makes homophobic remarks? Roseanne just got scrutinized for some comments she made.

God, I've made Ann Coulter my personal arch-nemesis...

It doesn't matter what race the person is if they make homophobic remarks. Maybe you just never noticed.

 

[star-warrior]

The OP of this thread is tarring a whole load of people with the same brush. That is plainly unfair. A small sector of the general populace may be racist, but to label everyone so, is unwise.

If he wants acceptance of his remarks, he really ought to steer clear of generalisations which make his point bigotted and more fundamentally, stupid.