Why do movie makers have such low faith in humanity?

[Dominus]

Michelle and Barrack Obama just ticked off another box on their bucket list by producing a movie called Leave the World Behind.

It's about a cyber attack that kills off the power grid and all electronic communications. It's suppose to be an apocalyptic movie.

So, I just saw it. Power goes out. Internet and TV go out. Cell phones not working. And people are pointing guns at each other 1 day after power goes out. WTF?

We had our power go out a few months ago for a day. Our neighbor with a Trump flag DID NOT point a gun at me when I went over to ask him if he knew anything.

I absolutely refuse to believe that our civilization is so fragile that after 1 day of power outage people are already in post apocalyptic survival mode. I refuse to believe all of a sudden we are all gonna kill and rape and plunder because the power went out for a day.

I'm not just talking about this movie. There are many movies like this. There was a post apocalyptic movie I saw not too long ago where 1 month after world wide power outage there are bands of cannibals roaming around. Again, wtf?

 

[belamyi]

I refused to watch the whole thing, and yet, by merely reading the Wikiplot, I think I get a better idea than you of the whole effort: the blackouts and general outages are global, and part of the total disruption and collapse of Theworldasweknowit... even if the disruption were not as harming in itself, the compounded ripple effect among the masses would work the desired outcome: people not being able to access their money, losing control of their lives and not just for a few hours in some definite location, but for eventually the rest of their existences, and with no harbour of civilization to run to... possibly not even in the upscale barrows prepared as shelters for a situation like that: people who are always waiting for some sort of disruption will make of it the opportunity to finally try to push their putschy agendas. Like a "real thing" version of the common window-bashing, street-burning we can see every now and then whenever opportunity arises.

There seems to be also microwave weapons implied, so the movie seems to be some sort of Z-er, tiktoknological updating on the all nuclear fallout or pandemic/biohazard/zombie apocalypse tales of the past six or seven decades.

The whole thing presented from a domestic perspective, that of a family out for the weekend, including a teen obsessed with watching Friends' final episode, which is the very ending of the movie, and the only part I actually watched.

There you go.

 

[belamyi]

Not forgetting that it is implied that it is some sort of jidahist operation, the way that OBL had set as the next step after 9/11: the Wikiplot literally types that "G.H. hypothesizes to Clay and Archie that the country is in a three-stage campaign that will result in a coup d'état. At the same time, Amanda and Ruth watch New York City being bombed. Rose then finds the neighbor's house with the bunker. Inside, a computer message warns of elevated radiation levels across multiple U.S. cities. "

Anyway, think of it not as the lack of faith in the human beauty lying underneath, but in all the crap that must be cleaned up before making it shine again: sort of like what has been human history for the past x-thousand years.

 

[Dominus]

^ Again, you're interpreting from a 4th wall perspective. The characters don't know that it's a world wide disruption in everything. Individual level, all that's taken place is the power and internet are out. Which has happened in my area in the recent past. Our neighbors did not start pointing guns at us.

From my experience, people will cling onto the sense of normalcy for as long as possible. Not go crazy and homicidal in a day.

 

[rareboy]

The news in the US has had stories in recent years where someone got shot just for going to someone's door to ask directions.

America is saturated in guns and fear.

The movie is likely meant to explore that theme.

So...maybe the movie isn't so far off.

 

[belamyi]

^ Again, you're interpreting from a 4th wall perspective. The characters don't know that it's a world wide disruption in everything. Individual level, all that's taken place is the power and internet are out. Which has happened in my area in the recent past. Our neighbors did not start pointing guns at us.

From my experience, people will cling onto the sense of normalcy for as long as possible. Not go crazy and homicidal in a day.

Again, you are interpretaing from a cozy-sofa-against-a-4th-wall perspective. The characters don't know what all the craziness around them comes from, but craziness there is because there are hundreds of millions of other "normal people" in the world of which they are part, which drive the lives of the rest, in that situation like in any other situation.

That sense of normalcy is the perspective from the main characters, and indeed from the majority of people for as long as they are away from any disruption, but the background is precisely the mass craze, the apocalyptic version of everyday's disruptive mass craze on the net, on the market, and what not.

 

[belamyi]

The news in the US has had stories in recent years where someone got shot just for going to someone's door to ask directions.

America is saturated in guns and fear.

The movie is likely meant to explore that theme.

So...maybe the movie isn't so far off.

No, you are talking the "Wild West" specificity that built America as we know it from the mid-XIXth century, which would be just some local flavour added in the context of the global "demise of the Western World" that the film is supposed to present.

 

[Peloso]

People are paradoxically entertained by films which reflect the pre-apocalyptic times we live in.

The characters don't know that it's a world wide disruption in everything.

They suspected. Not knowing can be worse than knowing.

Individual level, all that's taken place is the power and internet are out.

There was also strategic use of manipulative propaganda and the use of ultrasonic weaponry. Just the internet going down on it's own is enough to bring civilization to its knees.

Not much of a movie, but the Tesla scene was brilliant.

From my experience, people will cling onto the sense of normalcy for as long as possible. Not go crazy and homicidal in a day.

 

[Peloso]

No, you are talking the "Wild West" specificity that built America as we know it from the mid-XIXth century, which would be just some local flavour added in the context of the global "demise of the Western World" that the film is supposed to present.

We sometimes forget that what we see out our kitchen windows is not representative of the whole picture.

Also, judging a film after skimming through a Wikipedia article is like jerking off to a pic of an escort and then thinking you've just had sex with them. This is why you missed the film's point.

 

[belamyi]

We sometimes forget that what we see out our kitchen windows is not representative of the whole picture.

Also, judging a film after skimming through a Wikipedia article is like jerking off to a pic of an escort and then thinking you've just had sex with them. This is why you missed the film's point.

Dom is judging a film after skimming through an almost two-and-a-half-hour run watch, just like you skimmed through my post, which detailed the whole plot and sense beyond the "skimmed-down" judgment that Dom presented as the source of this thread.

And if you think I jerk off to a pic of an escort, instead of jerking off to an escort or masseur's back or hand because he won't have it up his rectum, or think that I think I have had sex with one whenever I happen to precociously come inside him after only four minutes of sphincter rubbing, you have definitely been skimming through my posts for the past five years... including one year of JUB-celibacy to allow you for more reflective readings

Judging films and posts through one's kitchen windows may lead to missing their point.

 

[Peloso]

You act more American than most of the Americans here.

 

[belamyi]

People are paradoxically entertained by films which reflect the pre-apocalyptic times we live in.


They suspected. Not knowing can be worse than knowing.


There was also strategic use of manipulative propaganda and the use of ultrasonic weaponry. Just the internet going down on it's own is enough to bring civilization to its knees.

Not much of a movie, but the Tesla scene was brilliant.



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They brooded for years, even decades.
They were not followed by those still rooted in a sense of normalcy, even when they may still be brooding their own resentment, until they day in which they can finally crazy and homicidal overnight.

That uncertainty of not knowing is what I referred to as an additional trigger in a disruptive crisis, actually the bottom line of a terrorist plan: make people enemy of themselves... like when Putin said he didn't need to work up any Americans against America.

People (of all ages) are frivolously entertained by situations and characters that they would despise or fear "in real life".

The Tesla scene reads funnier than scary or apocalyptic... because it is intended to represent a momentous fallout, when it looks rather like one more Tesla incident, or your average gas-driven car crashing.

 

[belamyi]

You act more American than most of the Americans here.

You may have been skimming through the posts in which, more or less facetiously or seriously (up to your liking), I stated that I happen to be an American without an American citizenship...

I used to say that when I would consider America as some sort of way out of Europe, but I have been nuancing my views during the past twenty years, particularly after 2008, when some would say that Europe was getting faster than America to the verge of demise.

 

[Dominus]

Hey y'all, we are NOT living in pre-apocalyptic times. The world is not going to end any time soon.

 

[belamyi]

Well, we have been living in pre-apocalyptic times for the past eight decades, century or couple of millennia, depending on whose Bible and Briefing you consider.

And "soon" is as relative a concept as "apocalyptic": one man's apocalypse is another man's liberation: actually, that's the stepping stone and very foundation of The Land of The Free.

 

[belamyi]

They brooded for years, even decades.
They were not followed by those still rooted in a sense of normalcy, even when they may still be brooding their own resentment, until they day in which they can finally crazy and homicidal overnight.

That uncertainty of not knowing is what I referred to as an additional trigger in a disruptive crisis, actually the bottom line of a terrorist plan: make people enemy of themselves... like when Putin said he didn't need to work up any Americans against America.

People (of all ages) are frivolously entertained by situations and characters that they would despise or fear "in real life".

The Tesla scene reads funnier than scary or apocalyptic... because it is intended to represent a momentous fallout, when it looks rather like one more Tesla incident, or your average gas-driven car crashing.

OK, I need to edit that... damn it. Here;:

They brooded for years, even decades.
They were not followed by those still rooted in a sense of normalcy, even when they may still be brooding their own resentment, until they day in which they can finally turn crazy and homicidal overnight.

That uncertainty of not knowing is what I referred to as an additional trigger in a disruptive crisis, actually the bottom line of a terrorist plan: turn people an enemy to themselves... like when Putin said he didn't need to work up any Americans against America.

People (of all ages) are frivolously entertained by situations and characters that they would despise or fear "in real life".

The Tesla scene reads funnier than scary or apocalyptic... because it is intended to represent a momentous fallout, when it looks rather like one more Tesla incident, or your average gas-driven car crashing.

 

[belamyi]

You may have been skimming through the posts in which, more or less facetiously or seriously (up to your liking), I stated that I happen to be an American without an American citizenship...

I used to say that when I would consider America as some sort of way out of Europe, but I have been nuancing my views during the past twenty years, particularly after 2008, PRECISELY when some would say that Europe was getting faster than America to the verge of demise, and a reading skimming through the surface might have concluded that America or Australia would be "THE way out" from old and worn, chaotic Europe.

Better that way, clearer and less ambiguous or misleading for the prejudiced.

 

[belamyi]

Hey y'all, we are NOT living in pre-apocalyptic times. The world is not going to end any time soon.

And I also remember when I started one those that nobody would respond to because, like some JUBbite once told me, nobody knows what to respond, about the political and social situation in Catalonia and Spain being again some sort of forerunner of an upcoming settling all the other regional dues around the world...

Also made me think of a supposed quote of Peter Ustinov, saying that the last voice ever to be heard before the destruction of the world would be that of a scientist (I'd rather put "expert" there, but whatever) stating that it would physically impossible to ever take place.

 

[Alistair]

Haven’t you seen how people act when a snowstorm is predicted that they’re going to get more than an inch? They’ll grab milk and bread out of each others hands and tear a grocery store apart because their little world is going to be inconvenienced for a few days.

 

[belamyi]

^ Dom was pointing at actual apocalyptic and murder scenarios: like in the good ol' days of Black Friday.