Why Does Anyone Care? {VP Nominee}

[falconfan]

Since when has a possible vice president been such a big deal? I mean really? Why the fuck is everyone talking about the crazy Alaskan cessation bitch? They've completely succeeded in takes the buzz out of Obama's corner (which is a problem because it was one of the best things he had going for him) and for what? I can't remember a time when anyone's ever cared so much about a VICE presidential NOMINEE. The media needs to just STFU and move on.

 

[MystikWizard]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Since when has a possible vice president been such a big deal? I mean really? Why the fuck is everyone talking about the crazy Alaskan cessation bitch? They've completely succeeded in takes the buzz out of Obama's corner (which is a problem because it was one of the best things he had going for him) and for what? I can't remember a time when anyone's ever cared so much about a VICE presidential NOMINEE. The media needs to just STFU and move on.

I completely concur in that the more the media discusses Sarah Palin, the more relevant she becomes. If they would just stop talking about her, and perhaps we should take the same step and STOP talking about her, the less relevant she becomes.

However, media is a business, and if they see money involved in promoting or trashing her, they are going to do it.

But I agree, we all need to stop talking about her, creating threads about her, quit creating blogs about her on sites like the Daily Kos, etc. . And when the Media sees that the interest is dying down, then maybe they will follow suit.

 

[alley]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

McCain is freaking old, and has had cancer---so it is a bit important.

 

[MystikWizard]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

McCain is freaking old, and has had cancer---so it is a bit important.

Agreed, but as we have seen thus far, any attacks levied against her seem to be backfiring. The more the Republicans see the Democrats attacking her, the more rallied they become to rush to her defense. It doesn't seem to matter to these people that she is next in command.

Therefore, it probably is best to Ignore her, for the time being, and make her less relevant so that the buzz dies down.

 

[construct]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Since when has a possible vice president been such a big deal? I mean really?

Dan Quayle. Spiro Agnew. And their tickets won.

Why the fuck is everyone talking about the crazy Alaskan cessation bitch? They've completely succeeded in takes the buzz out of Obama's corner (which is a problem because it was one of the best things he had going for him) and for what? I can't remember a time when anyone's ever cared so much about a VICE presidential NOMINEE. The media needs to just STFU and move on.

More importantly, we Obama supporters have gotten about as much traction out of this as we ever could. It's time for us to move on.

 

[Supernature]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

^^I agree completely. However I think the the fact that Palin is being scrutinized through the lens of whether she could step in and be President or not is ultimately to her disadvantage (and is, yes, the consequence of McCain's age and state of health). The Republicans, through the media, have been dominating the narrative since she was announced as the VP, but I think the public is starting to see there's something rotten beneath the coat of varnish. I mean if you have the ladies of the View cross-examining McCain then his campaign is in trouble.

 

[lancelva]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

The Obama campaign made a strategic error when they chose to run against Sarah Palin instead of John McCain. They thought an Obama vs. Palin race would work to their benefit but it has backfired significantly.

 

[MystikWizard]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

The Obama campaign made a strategic error when they chose to run against Sarah Palin instead of John McCain. They thought an Obama vs. Palin race would work to their benefit but it has backfired significantly.

I completely concur with you, Lancelva. I would never thought I would find common ground with you, but this is a strategic blunder to be focusing this much on Sarah Palin and not John McCain. Polls indicate all this attention is only working to the McCain-Palin advantage.

Therefore, why does the Obama campaign keep talking about her?

 

[syntax]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

The Obama campaign made a strategic error when they chose to run against Sarah Palin instead of John McCain. They thought an Obama vs. Palin race would work to their benefit but it has backfired significantly.

Could you provide examples of how the Obama campaign is running against Sarah Palin not John McCain? I recall one Obama campaign official criticizing the choice as "inexperienced" shortly after it was announced.

Sure the media and many of his supporters are going after her, but the campaign? Not any more than any political campaign would target a VP.

 

[Supernature]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Okay... maybe I'm wrong but didn't Obama react to Sarah Palin in a very nonchalant manner? Did he not simplify the buzz about her and kind of shrug her off? Was it not the damn lipstick on a pig comment that sent the media roaring about Obama's outrage about Sarah Palin? Someone correct me if I am wrong please. I dont recall Obama or his campaign catering to Palin at all. Where are the anti Palin ads that Barack approved? I haven't seen any. Seems the public just went crazy about her on their own and WE THE DEMOCRATS left our candidate in the cold. Lets not get it backwards but just correct the problem.

You are absolutely right. The Obama campaign has been non-plussed and has yet to rise to the bait of campaigning against her. When asked about his opinion of her experience Obama has always passed saying that it was for the media and the American public to decide. The whole "pigs and lipstick" brouhaha was an attempt by they McCain campaign to make it look like Obama was attacking Palin. The most he has said about her is that she's a "skilled politician".

 

[lancelva]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Politico, Sept. 9

[Quote removed by moderator] © 2008 Capitol News Company LLC

 

[syntax]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

^ Thanks, for the Politico cite. Read it when it came out on Sept. 9. Is that your best response to your claim that the Obama campaign has made a "strategic error" in targeting Palin? BTW, you do a good job of bolding.

Jackoroe has declared otherwise, but my understanding of CE&P guidelines remains that a poster must include some commentary in addition to a lengthy quotation from a source.

Any reference to an external source should also include an explanation of how your quote relates to the topic under discussion. Or in the case of a new thread, a quote must be augmented with your own opinion explaining why the quote is of interest. For example; you should include your own personal criticism, illustration, clarification, parody, or summary of the work you are quoting.

 

[lancelva]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Heh you beat me to it.


lancelva the quotes in that article to me are a far cry from Obama campaigning against Palin. Find ads about Palin that Obama approved. I can't find them and I haven't seen them. Have you?

Some things never change. And one of those is the inability of those on this forum to find information, particularly if it contradicts their beliefs. Just because I'm pointing out flaws in Obama's strategy does not mean I'm speaking against him. If anything, it's quite the opposite. If you want your candidate to win, then you should want him/her to run a winning campaign. Don't shoot the messenger.

As to the things you ask for:



And this:

An original member of Barack Obama’s finance committee said Friday that Sarah Palin is putting her career above her family by accepting the nomination as John McCain’s running mate.

Howard Gutman made the argument on “The Laura Ingraham Show,” telling the radio host that the Alaska governor should focus her energy on her unwed, pregnant teenage daughter.

“If my daughter had just come home at 17 years old and said, ‘Mom, Dad, I’m pregnant, we have a family problem,’ I wouldn’t say, ‘You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to take this private family problem … I’m going to go on the international stage and broadcast it to the world’,” he said.

Gutman later added: “If you take a daughter who’s got this emotional strife and subject her to the most intense scrutiny of the world at this time in her life, I think you’ve put your career above your family.”

And this:

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin’s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

“My understanding is that Gov. Palin’s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year – we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,” Obama responded.

The statement above is a mistake in that it reefnorces the image of Obama as an elitist who is out-of-touch with small-town Americans.

 

[ryankeith]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

We have all seen the OBVIOUS influence a Vice President can have over choices made by the President...look at the Bush administration and how Cheney has created a role much like an advisor. It can be very scary. That is why the VP slot is so very important.

 

[chance1]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Agreed, but as we have seen thus far, any attacks levied against her seem to be backfiring. The more the Republicans see the Democrats attacking her, the more rallied they become to rush to her defense. It doesn't seem to matter to these people that she is next in command.

Therefore, it probably is best to Ignore her, for the time being, and make her less relevant so that the buzz dies down.

i totally agree

attacking Palin so loudly and seemingly in a personal nature has been a PR nightmare for the dums

they need to move on

people r not dumb

the inexperience factor will come into play - mccain being old - she being next in line

prob is - that same factor holds for BO

soooooooooo

it's a plus
and a minus

 

[lancelva]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

We have all seen the OBVIOUS influence a Vice President can have over choices made by the President...look at the Bush administration and how Cheney has created a role much like an advisor. It can be very scary. That is why the VP slot is so very important.

That's what Michael Dukakis and company thought when they went after Dan Quayle in 1988. Look where that got them...

 

[Glafna]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

First and foremost. McCain has a likely chance to die within his first 4 years. He's fought cancer, had heart attacks, and is in his 70's. he also has(supposed) mental trauma from Vietnam as well as being a POW in the Vietcong camp.

Second, people have questioned whether or not she has abused her power as mayor, and as governor. She likely has as the latter, far less likely as the former.

And finally, as quoted by Matt Damon in a video criticizing her, "because she'll have the nuclear codes". We don't know if she'll use them or not, or if it will just be Iran, Russia, North Korea, or all of them. Hell, she might even send on Venezuela's way for good measure.

That's why many people are making a big deal, she's a relatively unknown politician, and people don't know what she will do with the power if McCain gets elected, and bites it during his first term.

And lance, let it go. she lost, big whoop. at worst, it'll be 2016, at best(counting on how you look at McCain winning) it'll be 2012. Either way, the campaign is over for Senator Clinton. And BTW, that ad told nothing but the truth, as opposed to the McCain ads.

 

[syntax]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

Just because I'm pointing out flaws in Obama's strategy does not mean I'm speaking against him.

Your post fabricates a "strategy," falsely attributes that strategy to the Obama campaign and then calls it an error.

Instead, Obama has decided to largely avoid directly engaging her and will instead keep his focus largely on John McCain and on linking the Republican ticket to President George W. Bush.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080904/pl_politico/13167

Since the Republican convention, Clinton has pointedly avoided directly criticizing vice-presidential nominee Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) as she campaigns for Sen. Barack Obama, a strategy her staff says is endorsed by Obama's campaign. The goal, campaign strategists say, is to get the message back to John McCain's record, and not to create a clash between two women.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/14/clinton_campaigns_for_obama.html

 

[chance1]

Re: Why Does Anyone Care?

First and foremost. McCain has a likely chance to die within his first 4 years. He's fought cancer, had heart attacks, and is in his 70's. he also has(supposed) mental trauma from Vietnam as well as being a POW in the Vietcong camp.

Second, people have questioned whether or not she has abused her power as mayor, and as governor. She likely has as the latter, far less likely as the former.

And finally, as quoted by Matt Damon in a video criticizing her, "because she'll have the nuclear codes". We don't know if she'll use them or not, or if it will just be Iran, Russia, North Korea, or all of them. Hell, she might even send on Venezuela's way for good measure.

That's why many people are making a big deal, she's a relatively unknown politician, and people don't know what she will do with the power if McCain gets elected, and bites it during his first term.

And lance, let it go. she lost, big whoop. at worst, it'll be 2016, at best(counting on how you look at McCain winning) it'll be 2012. Either way, the campaign is over for Senator Clinton. And BTW, that ad told nothing but the truth, as opposed to the McCain ads.

mccain has a likely chance to die within 4 years? wow

so irresponsible

for u to write that

anything else i would say on that u would take (rightfully) as an attack

so i won't

and ur quoting matt damon?

and it's not "how do like dem apples?" - loved that from Good Will Hunting

u can't seriously quote matt damon on politics

and expect to get taken seriously

and it mccain "bites it" during the first term?

double yikes

tough post for u glafna

demagoguery on mccain and quoting matt damon on politics

double whammy

 

[dannybye]

Re: Saturday Night Live Sucks!!

Sir Les just because you don't like someone theres no reason to call them a Crazy Republican Bitch!! I happen to like her and McCain a hell of alot more than Obama and Biden and plan to vote Republican for the first time in my life. Would have voted for Hillary but we all know what happen there!!


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