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Working With Will

James, I think Will would be very confused.
-You gave him a head.
-You told him you didn't have a crush on him anymore
-And you gave him a head with your intend again.

What could he do? I he likes you, he may think you only want sex. If not, he might be in the dilemma, between stop this and go on and let you do what you want... Just consider it, James...
 
I'm currently a senior in high school and for the last two years a lot of guys have been playing this "game." I don't remember what they call it but basically the point is to expose your dick at unexpected moments and get a response. I've seen everything from "hey can you tie my shoe?" to people taking a friends phone when they arent paying attention, taking a picture of their dick and setting it as the background, and putting the phone down where it was.

I really don't understand it but it obviously has something to do with male bonding.
 
He enjoys it just as much as you do. He probably hasn't come out to himself, but he seems to be on the right path. Don't be so paranoid about his reaction when you guys mess around. You are not taking advantage of some straight guy or anything like that. He's clearly not straight and wants what you are giving. Some could view it as he's using you for sex. I tend to think that it's just two consenting adults.
 
You are playing cat and mouse and he doesn't understand the game. I am not sure why you are wanting to make him make a move when he's a new player to this whole game (to which you are the only one with the rules and you change them). You have very high expectations. You have one part of it, if he wasn't comfortable, he wouldn't come back. However, he also is comfortable with you initiating things. My suggestion was to see if he would help you out, not make him start the whole thing.

You have gone from having fun and being his friend to manipulating the situation and I think that's a bad track.

My two cents.
 
Hmmm ....

Very Good Points, Jeff! And, I can also agree with Backpacker, too. I just wish we could get some feedback from Will! As does, apparently, Superboy, too!

Will IS coming back! So ... He must like, or at least not mind, the possibility of "something" happening, again. But, Yeah!, He is "new" at this. There is likely still some "confusion" about what He should/can do on His part. Then again, He may be perfectly happy with James "starting things".

It will be interesting to hear what happens tomorrow night! But, I'm also wondering what Will might think if James purposefully "holds back", just to get a reaction from Will (which may not come, due to uncertainty).

James ... I can understand your reasoning in hoping to get a "read" from Will. But, I would also caution against being "synthetic" all of a sudden. Relax! Be your usual wonderful, adorable, caring, self! Don't try to get Will to "jump through hoops"! Follow your Heart! (And I don't mean that in a "romantic" way, but rather in a "considerate" way.)

I'm still thinking that a "casual chat" is the best way to get some "answers", at this point. (group)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
Hes an adult man. You arent forcing him to do anything he doesnt want to. All youre doing is giving him a nudge into the direction he wants to go.
 
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I think you are being way too hard on yourself. From the beginning he has seemed to be bending over backwards to make himself available to you. It almost as though once he found out you were gay, he sought you out. Honestly, he has been making most the moves to make himself available and you have been following. Stop worrying about it so much and go with the flow. Just continue acting as you have been. You may actually freak him out if you start acting differently and cause him to pull back.

By the way, you are a great guy to be so worried about his feelings and not taking advantage of him. Your worries just seem to be misplaced in this case. I think that's what most the posters have been trying to say.
 
Kinda off topic...

but are there any girls in his life? I mean he seems to be spending most of his time with you...usually when "straight" guys "expirement" they go run to the nearest pussy and reafirm that thier straight.

but with will i dont see that. i think hes really interested but he doesnt know how to act on his fellings.

Oh yeah another question...is will (or at least his family) religious in any way? maybe thats whats holding him back.

but yeah, like i said i think hes confused. he goes out to have a smoke everytime you guys (or i guess only you) fool around so that means something is bothering him which in a very twisted way of thinking, is a good thing. he could just say THANKS FOR THE BLOWJOB and then go to bed. but somethings preoccupying that noggin.

I agree with everyone else...wait a while and keep on being the you that you are and somehow it'll work out :D
 
OK - I got it all wrong - whew! :) When/If you mess around tomorrow, I think putting his hand on you will speak volumes. He may stay in your bed with you because you give great blowjobs. But if he touches you, then he's signaling that he wants to feel YOU and not just a mouth.

Just hang in there if he doesn't want to touch you, because remember, this was about the friendship. All this is icing on the cake! Really great tasting icing, I might add. If it all stopped, would you still want to be his buddy?? You will understand your true intentions if you can honestly answer that question.

I am a bit of a pro at these situatons. I had several similar experiences in high school, college and as I found myself more and more. If I only knew at your age what I do now, I would have had some REALLY GREAT times. When you are in the moment of this, feel the feelings, remember how you feel, the excitement, the butterflies in your stomach - you are LIVING! You will look back and want that buzz again and again.

In your 20's, most let insecurities hold them back from some of the greatest experiences, chances and opportunities in life.

Good luck, live and regret nothing!
 
but yeah, like i said i think hes confused. he goes out to have a smoke everytime you guys (or i guess only you) fool around so that means something is bothering him which in a very twisted way of thinking, is a good thing. he could just say THANKS FOR THE BLOWJOB and then go to bed. but somethings preoccupying that noggin.

Many smokers smoke a cigarette after having sex. I think that you're looking into this too much.
 
Great thread! I'm not calling Superboy a liar at all but this seems way too good to be true. Please, keep us updated.
 
James aka superboy...

I suggest that you guys should really talk it out.
But you have to understand yourself first.
We all know that you're attracted to Will, but could this physical attraction turn into love?
What about his feelings towards you?
Where do you guys go from here?

You need this talk as much as he needs it.
You'll either end up w/ a life time best friend or a new bf. You'll never know.

That's just my two cents.

Best wishes! I hope it all is going to work out beautifully in the end.
 
James aka superboy...

I suggest that you guys should really talk it out.
But you have to understand yourself first.
We all know that you're attracted to Will, but could this physical attraction turn into love?

no it's way too early for this imo.

To someone in the bicurious/questioning phase (which this guy seems to be in from what's been said) having the "talk" or forcing labels onto him will make him run away.

If this were 2 older men who had both fully accepted their sexual identity then yeah that might be a good idea at this stage, but not here.
 
i've been reading all the advice up to this point and i have to tell you i think we are all thinking too much into this.

right now we have two guys. one who knows he's gay and another who seems to be exploring his situation. they found one another and have fooled around some. will keeps coming back. clearly will wants to explore this part of himself and he wants to do that with james. james, at least to me has not taken advantage of will.

if i were lucky enough to be in james' shoes i would do nothing, say nothing and just go with the flow. i suspect that there will be a point where will himself will start to open up and talk on his own.

that's my 2 cents.
 
I have to apologize for not updating sooner. I've been on the site but just as I was about to type, I got pulled away several times. So again, I apologize this is coming so late.

LOL,dude Never EVER apologize for not being able to sit down and talk about your private life,especially when you're too busy living it.
 
I just finished reading through this whole thread. Hot! I don't think you crossed any lines since you've already sucked him off twice before and it never appeared to bother him. He even went on to take his boxers off for you. If it bothered him, he would not have gotten in bed with you in just boxers, he probably wouldn't continue to sleep over either. He seems to enjoy it and probably wants a secret friends with benefits relationship.

Btw, nice pictures. You're very sexy. Who wouldn't want a bj from you? ;)
 
James ...

THAT was Beautiful, and YOU are AWESOME!!! (group)

I know how difficult it must have been to control yourself, up to a point ... but Will doing the "boxers drop" just goes to show that he is much more than "just comfortable" with You!! AND ... You did manage a little "chat" afterward. It's good to know that he is O.K. with it!! ..| (Any snuggling when the two of you went back to bed?? Just curious ... :badgrin:)

I'm also wondering about Evan and Brandon. Who are these guys, and how do you know them? What's the situation with your living arrangements?? Yes! I'm being extremely Nosy!! :slap:

I have to admit ... I'm living Vicariously through your own Adventures! I thought I had some "good times" myself! But ... YOU ... are living some experiences that I could only have hoped for!!! ENJOY Your LIFE to the Max!! (!w!)

Keep smilin'!! :kiss:(*8*)
Chaz :luv2:
 
Thanks. I'm glad someone agrees. I was afraid admitting to that would get me some hate mail. haha. I thought it was pretty hot myself. It seems he has this all figured out and I've just been assuming he's mr. innocent. I went through an experimenting phase like this during high school with one of my best friends, so I think maybe he's just doing the same. I would like for it to grow into something more, but I won't expect anything. BTW, thanks for taking the time to read all that. I appreciate it. And thank you for the compliments.(*8*)

No problem, I enjoyed reading it. Way more interesting than my life. Thanks for thanking me. Lol :cool:
 
James, does it bother you at all that you arent getting off from this? The blue balls must be killer.
 
Superboi, don't take this as a flame or condemnation or anything cause you seem like a nice guy and Will obviously enjoys some part of whats going on, but I know you've expressed a desire to not make the friendship awkward in any way in your other posts.

Just look at your last update though, you were waiting for him to make a move to see if there was anything reciprocal, you managed to wait what seemed like half a night, HE asked you to keep your distance when he got into ur bed, even if it sounded joking, you gotta wonder why he said it at all. You woke up again and he may well have taken your hand off his, and yet you grabbed his cock KNOWING that what you were doing was a bit off but covering it with the 'I'm horny' excuse. Now of course others will say he joined in after that, but I'd ask you to consider the remote possibility that he was doing that cause he doesnt want to make this awkward when your his good friend who pretty obviously has a crush on him, cause what exactly do you say when someones quite literally got you by the cock?

Now as I said I dont want this to come across as any kinda of scolding or 'hate mail,' and I sincerely hope for your sake (and his from what I have heard of you) that something more starts between you and him. BUT consider the possibility that he is already giving you the signs, and you just dont like the answer. I think you should try going more than half a night without being the one to make a move, if there's something there for him, he just might start to chase you, if not, you've got one damn good friend and you can start to clear your mind and find someone who will love you that way back.
 
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