Would you rather top or bottom a straight guy?

[Krakenbwool]

I agree that attraction and the ability to derive pleasure from a sensation are completely different things. Therein is the crucial difference between "having sex with" and "loving."

 

[stevexxx]

haha if you top a straight guy then that is fucking disgusting because you don't know if his ass is clean unless he is one of those extremely hetero feminine dudes. if a straight guy is straight then he would NEVER, i repeat NEVER bottom for a dude. Like i have come to the idea of it before but it's just no, NEVER. Fucking women is okay but i will never let any dude fuck me. i have to have control. i aint no ones bitch. again just my opinion

 

[mark08]

Outside of the bolded piece of stupidity, this is actually a very good post.

But I need to go back to the bolded, and all I can say is: are you kidding me?

How is it not true that gay men have to affirm themselves more than straight? Being straight is the norm, you don't see straight parades or straight young men committing suicide because theyre straight.

My point was that because we do not have that pressure to affirm ourselves, it might be seen as a flexible sexuality, when in fact it isn't in most cases, just like gay men prefer men.

Wow. One can't just make a simple/fun thread anymore.

have mercy...

I just found out about this forum recently, thought it could be interesting to hear from a gay community, their point of view, etc. But every simple / light thread turns into a heavy political debate trying to claim that all straight men are bi lol

Adressing all the remarks in bold..

1.) Really??? ...Answer me this, since when did YOU write the dictionary (about sexuality)? Last time I checked it, "homosexual" was someone who HAD SEX with the same sex, regardless of admitted attraction or not, doesn't matter if it happened once, they were "homosexual" at that time) and since when did u have sex with someone (or something) you weren't attracted to?? LOL! CUM-ON!

2.) NO, Correction: A certain idea that sparks in a straight man's head that he is compelled to act on (and DOES IT) turns him BI (or homosexual at the time)..pick which you rather be called, but please, dont label it heterosexual just for the sake of avoiding what you believe is a negative (homosexual or gay)...CUM-ON

3.) Nope, Im not a labeler. I am FIRSTELLA, just as you are MARK08...but dont come on here to insult us all by affirming yourself as something "straight" or "better" than what many of us will ever be because you maintain a female screw club........honey, if you're having sex with both females and males, YOUR BISEXUAL by definition---sexually active with BOTH sexes!

4.) Straight men don't go around parading their "straightness" because they dont have to, its the norm, the ACCEPTED. Anything we are that is perceived negatively by society is Hard to accept about ourselves...My grandparents suffered because they couldn't hide how black they were decades ago...You can hide how "gay" you are by silly ideas that you are still "straight" but continue to sleep with men.

5.) No, if tommorow a gay man decided to bang a chick he would by definition terms be considered BISEXUAL or if once, Curious....but of course being that you insist that what you do allows you to maintain the dignity of your truly heterosexual counterparts, vice versa doesn't hold true, I guess.

1) So straight men who had wives and kids and never even thought about a man sexually who go to jail and start having sex with men suddenly become bi or have been closet cases all their lives? Like I said earlier, some straight men will turn to gay sex due to curiosity (taboo, breaking the rules, etc.) or a lack of women availible.

2) So let's say a guy had sex with 20 women and decides to try having sex with 1 man. Afterwards, it decides it's not really for him and goes back to women, then he's now bisexual? That's just wishful thinking on your part.

3) I never said one was better than the other, I asked a playful question in my original post (if I thought one was better than the other, I don't think I would have the open mindedness to come post on this forum as a straight guy) and then got bombarded about how straight men wouldn't engage in sex with another man, etc.

4) True, which supports my point.

5) Once again, if a gay man decides to have sex with 1 women after having 20+ male partners, that's dosent make him bi, unless he enjoyed it and wishes to do it again. It just makes him a gay man who tried putting his penis in a vagina to see if he likes it.

You try and preach that sexuality is flowing and that sex dosen't have to be between opposite sex to be enjoyable, but the second a straight man manifest a certain curiosity you label him as bi or a closet case. I really don't see how that's supposed to make straight men more open to this community, I've made 2 threads with very playful subjects so far and both have turned into debates about wether or not straight men would engage in gay sex, it's getting kinda old.

 

[Críostóir]

I agree that attraction and the ability to derive pleasure from a sensation are completely different things. Therein is the crucial difference between "having sex with" and "loving."

Yes. This. The old prostate massage is probably THE most intense physical pleasure the male body can experience, but that takes a back seat (npi) to the emotional context. Whether you enjoy it on an ongoing basis is dependent on your own psychological makeup.

In my own case, having found the most intense physical pleasure possible, my psychology dictates that I prefer inflicting it on others! (I'm kind of a control freak...do the math.)

There HAVE been straight guys who really enjoyed bottoming. Ultimately they don't want to have sex with other men, though, so they wind up being pegging bottoms. Another subclass of them purchase the services of pre-op transsexual prostitutes, and in their minds they're being fucked by a woman. (I personally think this is a little twisted, but then I'm not a straight guy who's hooked on getting fucked. Still, pegging seems a little saner.)

I talked to one straight guy (and trust me, he was laser-beam straight) who wanted to experience direct prostatic stimulation, but didn't want anything that even LOOKED like a cock going anywhere near his ass...or even in the room with him. The presence of another penis made him wilt. I explained that there are probes that aren't cock-shaped, and finally (we were on very friendly terms at the time) made him a gift of some anal beads for his GF to use on him.

 

[sixthson]

This thread goes to show that it is not just gay guys who like drama.

Start another fun thread. Maybe it won't backfire on you this time.

All joking aside, hang around and make yourself known to us. While you're at it, show us your weiner. Straight guys love doing that to gay guys, don't they?

 

[Críostóir]

How is it not true that gay men have to affirm themselves more than straight? Being straight is the norm, you don't see straight parades or straight young men committing suicide because theyre straight.

Straightness is constantly affirmed from every media source. Straight guys seem to spend inordinate amounts of time demonstrating their straightness; for example, not being attracted to the currently-popular female body means a guy has to come up with some excuse (if big boobs are in fashion, and you don't like big boobs, you either pretend you do or go around saying "more than a handful is wasted" or "you wouldn't drink wine from a beer stein, would you?").

Straight guys also, often, go out of their way to show how not-gay they are (which is a little different). Frat boys doing bad drag, for example, are showing how they couldn't possibly look good in drag to affirm their non-gayness. Sometimes straight guys do a kind of humping act when naked together; this is to show that they can do it without getting hard ("Look at me! Look at how not-gay I am!").

Of course, these last things are generally the province of the young and dumb and full of cum males. It's a sign of homophobia in its purest sense (that is, it's not about hating gays so much as fear of gayness in themselves).

So gay men have to affirm themselves, but they have to make up their own ways of doing so. Straight men do it constantly, but the mechanisms by which they do it are built into our society, so you don't notice them as much.

 

[Krakenbwool]

haha if you top a straight guy then that is fucking disgusting because you don't know if his ass is clean unless he is one of those extremely hetero feminine dudes. if a straight guy is straight then he would NEVER, i repeat NEVER bottom for a dude. Like i have come to the idea of it before but it's just no, NEVER. Fucking women is okay but i will never let any dude fuck me. i have to have control. i aint no ones bitch. again just my opinion

That says more about certain straight men's mentality towards women than anything, if they think that being on the receiving end means you're the "bitch."

 

[mark08]

That says more about certain straight men's mentality towards women than anything, if they think that being on the receiving end means you're the "bitch."

I honestly can see how people who aren't used to the concept of bottoming/topping could think that, to be honest the excitement when I've tried strapon play with girls was ''being the bitch'' because it was very new and a big role reversal. Although I can see how it's not for every guy.

 

[easyroad]

How is it not true that gay men have to affirm themselves more than straight? Being straight is the norm, you don't see straight parades or straight young men committing suicide because theyre straight.

My point was that because we do not have that pressure to affirm ourselves, it might be seen as a flexible sexuality, when in fact it isn't in most cases, just like gay men prefer men.

You didn't speak of a "need" or "pressure" on straight men to affirm themselves. You said "we don't go around parading about how straight we are, like gay men do". This is bullshit. There are plenty of people who go on and on about how straight they are.

In fact, even you fit in that description. You sign up to JUB and what's the first thing that you do? An "ask the straight man" thread. What's the big deal that you are straight? Why the need to show off?

See? It goes both ways.

 

[Telstra]

You didn't speak of a "need" or "pressure" on straight men to affirm themselves. You said "we don't go around parading about how straight we are, like gay men do". This is bullshit. There are plenty of people who go on and on about how straight they are.

In fact, even you fit in that description. You sign up to JUB and what's the first thing that you do? An "ask the straight man" thread. What's the big deal that you are straight? Why the need to show off?

See? It goes both ways.

Straight men/women parading their sexuality all the time by showing off as weddings and kissing in public. Weddings are the celebration of two people having sex.

 

[mark08]

Straight men/women parading their sexuality all the time by showing off as weddings and kissing in public. Weddings are the celebration of two people having sex.

Trust me, weddings are the woman's idea in 99% of cases. Just hearing the words of wedding or having a kid is synonymous to getting imprisoned for most straight guys. It"s also a religious event, not one to praise sexual orientation.

 

[Críostóir]

Trust me, weddings are the woman's idea in 99% of cases. Just hearing the words of wedding or having a kid is synonymous to getting imprisoned for most straight guys. It"s also a religious event, not one to praise sexual orientation.

OH GIVE ME A BREAK.

It's society's CENTRAL method of celebrating heterosexuality. You just don't think of it that way because of your lifelong immersion in it. We see it more clearly because we've been kept outside it.

 

[GiacomoPisani]

it is interesting how these guys who get sexually aroused with body bits from people with different anatomical features think that they actually can teach many masculine gay men how to be masculine,of course,by swallowing female hormones and feeling vagina and vulvas as if men and women weren't two completely distinct biological groups.the funny thing is how they even have behaviors and positions and everything ,like do this or don't do that so that you can be a real men,and not a fagot.

this is why i always tell my boyfriend that the day i get to put one finger on a woman's body it will be for getting to know what a woman,a lesbian or hermaphrodite feels like.

the guy who asked did this threat seems to put all men who have same -sex attraction in the same bag.no, not all gay men are attracted to heterosexual men or have fantasies with them.just like many heterosexual women do not have fantasies with gay men no matter how hot they are.in fact,the best word that i find to describe the feeling in me when i try to get aroused with heterosexual men is that of repulsion.however, this is not necessarily so if i watch pictures of naked heterosexual men.

 

[mark08]

it is interesting how these guys who get sexually aroused with body bits from people with different anatomical features think that they actually can teach many masculine gay men how to be masculine,of course,by swallowing female hormones and feeling vagina and vulvas as if men and women weren't two completely distinct biological groups.the funny thing is how they even have behaviors and positions and everything ,like do this or don't do that so that you can be a real men,and not a fagot.

this is why i always tell my boyfriend that the day i get to put one finger on a woman's body it will be for getting to know what a woman,a lesbian or hermaphrodite feels like.

the guy who asked did this threat seems to put all men who have same -sex attraction in the same bag.no, not all gay men are attracted to heterosexual men or have fantasies with them.just like many heterosexual women do not have fantasies with gay men no matter how hot they are.in fact,the best word that i find to describe the feeling in me when i try to get aroused with heterosexual men is that of repulsion.however, this is not necessarily so if i watch pictures of naked heterosexual men.

Overanalyzing just a little I think.

 

[Krakenbwool]

^ Don't worry; he always does that.

That being said, yes, heterosexual men do parade their heterosexuality around a lot. Hell, having a photo of your wife or kids at your office is technically "parading your heterosexuality." You might think it's nothing, but apparently some straight people would throw up a shitstorm if a gay guy had a photo of him and his partner on his desk.

 

[easyroad]

Trust me, weddings are the woman's idea in 99% of cases. Just hearing the words of wedding or having a kid is synonymous to getting imprisoned for most straight guys. It"s also a religious event, not one to praise sexual orientation.

1) It's irrelevant whose idea it was.

(By the way, isn't it traditionally the guy who buys the ring and proposes to the woman in public places, like a restaurant or a football game?)

2) Not to all of them, see parenthesis above;

3) Of course it is! So much so, that many straight groups don't want gays having that privilege - and not only for religious reasons;

4) Marriage and proposals in public places are some of many many ways straight people parade their sexuality.

 

[Telstra]

Trust me, weddings are the woman's idea in 99% of cases. Just hearing the words of wedding or having a kid is synonymous to getting imprisoned for most straight guys. It"s also a religious event, not one to praise sexual orientation.

I have been to so many weddings i can't count (as a job).
Some men were as excited or more excite than women about weddings.
They even cry during the ceremonies ...

Of course some people try to avoid weddings for social reasons.

 

[Iudicium86]

I've given head to straight guys before, but never gone as far as anal. If I ever did though, I'd like to bottom for him.

 

[simrex]

OH GIVE ME A BREAK.

It's society's CENTRAL method of celebrating heterosexuality. You just don't think of it that way because of your lifelong immersion in it. We see it more clearly because we've been kept outside it.

So what ur saying is that because uve been kept outside of the lifelong immersion that u can tell that marriage is nothing but a way to show that someone is celebrating their heterosexuality. so what can u explain about those same sex marriages that have happened in the past couple of years?
U cant simply think that ur answer is the right answer, to some/most people who get married is because a) its part of their religion b) its the next stepping stone in their relationship.

 

[GiacomoPisani]

^ Don't worry; he always does that.

hahhahah krakenbwool you are so funny.hahahahahaha

oh well,let me keep overanalyzing ,so it seems that krakenwool like to have sexual pleasure with body bits that mark finds disgusting,and in return, mark finds krakenwool's sexually dimorphic body parts pleasurable.But they have something in common,they dislike they own sex,mark tells krakemnwood that he finds male body parts gross and krakenwool tells mark that blood and vulvas are disgusting,but even so, mark is determined and convinced that it is not true what a woman herself is telling him about her own sex,mark has to contradict her,in order to prove himself capable of manhood and of course, of androgyny in the form of also having a vagina by means of her female partner,since he said that he wants to be connected to a female and share physical stimuli with her,not only that mark claims that what belongs to a woman can also belong to him.So if a woman have a vulva and secrete vaginal fluids why not asking her to also let him feel them as well? after all,society tells us that real men are supposed to do that. So this whole thing of faking sexual belonging and trying to be as natural as two equally structures pair is like a pretty weird sexual obsession with people who are clearly biologically different and pretty much a fetish to get aroused with smells,and body parts that they don't have in their own bodies coz they were not born with.So it seems that krakenwool doesn't really care being more promiscuous than a gay men,if she has to swallow semen she does it,coz of course that's the way heterosexuals think of being less promiscuous than we are.

and the question is,how can Mark get sexual pleasure with the sexual group that krekenwool belongs to, and that she doesn't find pleasurable,how come Mark enjoys fondling tits,vulvas,uterus,swallowing secretion in the form of vaginal excretion or vaginal hemorrhage when he was not born with those same body parts. How is it like to have pleasure and craving for body parts,and smell that you weren't born with and that the opposite sex rejects?. What kind of nasty depravity this society is trying to impose over the mentally healthy gay people?.How come homosexuals are not willing to put up with this sort of exorbitant behavior sexually inverted duos are so eager to experience?.How come so many young and virgin females do not love their own sex and men like Mark,accept this crap as if this were a funny and mentally healthy behavior?.Does Mark think that homoseuxal men are gonna stand this sort of depravity and perversion or that we are rightly and firmly standing against this evil and immoral sexual orientation for another sex because your own sex is disgusting and not the other one. What would Mark recommend to a unfortunately married gay man, to have sex with his pregnant wife while fondling the tits full of baby milk?.Is that the sort of sexual kinky fantasies that Mark enjoys? oh dear!! hahahaha

and still he comes here boasting his heterosexuality as if we didn't know what sort of crap we have been cleaned of.

Once again,pussies,vulvas,uterus, and tits they are better for.....women,lesbian women,hermaphrodites,transsexuals,and of course heterosexual men,for us the masculine ones,only masculine organs can be felt ...cocks,testicles,semen, and muscles.That's our rule.